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49ers 30 million under cap

  • dwett
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Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by Bobbi9698:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by Bobbi9698:
Originally posted by Otter:
Another piece of information people are ignoring. Teams are going in to camp with 90 players. At some point they'll have to cut down to 53. Seems logical that there will be people available later on, and the price will be much more reasonable and appropriate for their talent level.

This means--more scrubs on the way to the Niners...

its not always scrubs there are decent players that get cut for salary cap purposes.

Current evidence is that we won't go after them. We are doing NOTHING.

Niners $30 million below salary cap ... but not really

The 49ers are a little less than $30 million below the salary cap, according to information from the NFL Players Association. However, that cap number - about $91 million - takes into account recently released players like Nate Clements but not new contracts to free agents like Alex Smith, Ray McDonald and David Akers.

Those contracts will go into effect Thursday with the start of the new league year. The 49ers still promise to be well below the cap limit on Thursday, but the discrepancy between the listed and actual cap numbers are partly the reason for a lull in free agency.

Some of the teams around the league are scrambling this week to restructure contracts so that they are under the cap by Thursday. Agents, meanwhile, are hesitant to commit to deals until they see what actual market looks like. Adding to that landscape is the fact that newly-signed free agents can't practice with their teams until Thursday at the earliest anyway. That is, there is no real impetus to complete deals until later in the week.

A number of 49ers free agents are finding the market softer than anticipated. There was a flurry of activity and big signings early in free agency. But due to the 2010 free-agency rules that required players to have six years of service instead of the normal four before becoming unrestricted free agents, there is a glut of free agents this year. That, combined with the return of a salary cap, has weakened the market.

Three of the 49ers' own free agents, Manny Lawson, Dashon Goldson and Aubrayo Franklin, all expected to be hot commodities this season. Lawson, for example, signed a one-year deal in Cincinnati so that he could re-enter the free-agent market next year when it ostensibly has normalized. Goldson and Franklin are still available, and both of them could return to the 49ers.





Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/08/niners-30-million-below-cap-but-not-really.html#ixzz1Ttllc6NC

I am a little confused. If the teams don't have to spend a certain percent of their money until 2013, how can the NFL Guarantee a league wide 99% cash spend of the salary cap in 2011-2012.

Can other teams spend over the cap limit this year as long as they are in compliance in 2013? Is there something I am missing? Here is a PDF I found at SI. Interesting read.

PDF
  • dwett
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Originally posted by dwett:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by Bobbi9698:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by Bobbi9698:
Originally posted by Otter:
Another piece of information people are ignoring. Teams are going in to camp with 90 players. At some point they'll have to cut down to 53. Seems logical that there will be people available later on, and the price will be much more reasonable and appropriate for their talent level.

This means--more scrubs on the way to the Niners...

its not always scrubs there are decent players that get cut for salary cap purposes.

Current evidence is that we won't go after them. We are doing NOTHING.

Niners $30 million below salary cap ... but not really

The 49ers are a little less than $30 million below the salary cap, according to information from the NFL Players Association. However, that cap number - about $91 million - takes into account recently released players like Nate Clements but not new contracts to free agents like Alex Smith, Ray McDonald and David Akers.

Those contracts will go into effect Thursday with the start of the new league year. The 49ers still promise to be well below the cap limit on Thursday, but the discrepancy between the listed and actual cap numbers are partly the reason for a lull in free agency.

Some of the teams around the league are scrambling this week to restructure contracts so that they are under the cap by Thursday. Agents, meanwhile, are hesitant to commit to deals until they see what actual market looks like. Adding to that landscape is the fact that newly-signed free agents can't practice with their teams until Thursday at the earliest anyway. That is, there is no real impetus to complete deals until later in the week.

A number of 49ers free agents are finding the market softer than anticipated. There was a flurry of activity and big signings early in free agency. But due to the 2010 free-agency rules that required players to have six years of service instead of the normal four before becoming unrestricted free agents, there is a glut of free agents this year. That, combined with the return of a salary cap, has weakened the market.

Three of the 49ers' own free agents, Manny Lawson, Dashon Goldson and Aubrayo Franklin, all expected to be hot commodities this season. Lawson, for example, signed a one-year deal in Cincinnati so that he could re-enter the free-agent market next year when it ostensibly has normalized. Goldson and Franklin are still available, and both of them could return to the 49ers.





Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/08/niners-30-million-below-cap-but-not-really.html#ixzz1Ttllc6NC

I am a little confused. If the teams don't have to spend a certain percent of their money until 2013, how can the NFL Guarantee a league wide 99% cash spend of the salary cap in 2011-2012.

Can other teams spend over the cap limit this year as long as they are in compliance in 2013? Is there something I am missing? Here is a PDF I found at SI. Interesting read.

PDF

Well reading it further I may have answered my own question. Didn't realize benefits were included in that 99%
Anyone know where we actually stand, once all of the FA's and such are signed?
Originally posted by SJniner7:
Anyone know where we actually stand, once all of the FA's and such are signed?

AB said $24M after McDonald, Wragge and Akers.

[ Edited by cwilson830 on Aug 2, 2011 at 18:00:10 ]
Judging by our defense (minus Willis of course), I would think we were 90 mil under the cap.
we will sign more players, just wait and see. "we have a plan"
Originally posted by 49ersMan420:
we will sign more players, just wait and see. "we have a plan"

"we have a plan" = "go back and watch the film"
Originally posted by rxrunner:
Originally posted by 49ersMan420:
we will sign more players, just wait and see. "we have a plan"

"we have a plan" = "go back and watch the film"

"We have a plan" ="We got you the coach, you dumb fans, now we're done spending money"...
  • KID9R
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Originally posted by genz22:
I for one trust the new coaching staff and front office. Let's see what you have before you break the bank for average talent. Obviously Lawson, Clements, etc weren't cutting it so let's see who steps up this year. 2012 is our year to load up on free agents if needed. Build through the draft. Have patience!


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/11-teams-still-have-20-million-or-more-in-cap-room/

That's sounds all fine and great and I agree about building through the draft but, this is probably the biggest fa pool the NFL has even had. With two years of free agents. So this would be the year to sign a couple high priced and quality free agents because they'll be less next year and in 2013 we re going to have to pay 90% of the cap. Then who do you buy? Hopefully some of our young players prove themselfs in the next couple years and we re sign them, but that's probably not going to get us there if the cap keeps going up. We could have done both. Sign a couple big names with front loaded contracts and build through the draft.
LOL at the idiocy........."DAMNIT, ALL THIS CAP ROOM, WE'D BETTER SIGN SOMEBODY....QUICK GIVE A 3RD STRING TIGHT END 8 MILLION A YEAR."




Franklin, Spikes and Lawson all got 1 year deals, maybe, just maybe that means they weren't as ridiculously over-valued by the rest of the league as they are by the Webzone. Spending a whole bunch of money on mediocre free agents is no solution at all. Once the top 3 or 4 talents were gone, the rest of the free agent market was more or less similar talent-wise so waiting to get some discount bargains isn't a bad idea, especially if you're looking to build the team properly and not just fill in random mediocre, old 1 year "stopgaps" that never let your younger players develop.


With the best coaching staff assembled in over a decade, I'm willing to give these guys some time to get their stuff together. At least they seem to have some clue as to what they're doing as opposed to Singletary's "we're going to be the 1985 Bears and we're going to run on all 5 downs...I mean...4....err...3....UP THE GUT DAMNIT!"



Take a chill pill jeez. With a short offseason, I'm not expecting miracles, but I will expect to see some of these young players progress due to the coaching, although thats hard to see if we're signing a bunch of over the hill free agents just so we can be 7-9 or 8-8 and the "we need to spend money" crowd can orgasm to the sight of a 35 year old hack dominating against the Rams.



LOL at the responses in this thread. I have been telling you this for years. It seems now more people are coming around to my point of view.
all this math fo nuthin! we just spent a bunch of it on Rogers
Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
all this math fo nuthin! we just spent a bunch of it on Rogers

This is one signing we really needed. But it seems as though this dude gives more cushion than Nate Clements in a zone defense.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
all this math fo nuthin! we just spent a bunch of it on Rogers

This is one signing we really needed. But it seems as though this dude gives more cushion than Nate Clements in a zone defense.

Where did u get that from? He was on an island alot in Washington, hence the cushion, seems fairly smooth in zone from what i have seen, granted it was only what i have seen on TV.
Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
all this math fo nuthin! we just spent a bunch of it on Rogers

This is one signing we really needed. But it seems as though this dude gives more cushion than Nate Clements in a zone defense.

Where did u get that from? He was on an island alot in Washington, hence the cushion, seems fairly smooth in zone from what i have seen, granted it was only what i have seen on TV.

Rogers More Skilled than Clements

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"I think Carlos has a better physical skill set than Nate Clements at this point in their careers," Cosell said. "But Rogers plays with big cushions and gives up a lot of competitions.

Read more: Analysis: 49ers' Rogers more skilled than Clements
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