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Do free agents want to play for the 49ers ?

Originally posted by LeftBankeNiner:
If Asomugha signs with the 49ers I think that will go a long way towards regaining credibility around the league. To sign a big name free agent like that would show people that the 49ers are serious about winning. Realistically, I don't think he will sign here. I would love to be proven wrong. As long as they don't give him some ridiculous contract that will hurt the team in the long run.

"To sign a big name free agent like that would show people that the 49ers are serious about winning." -- Ok, I disagree, but I can understand the argument.

"As long as they don't give him some ridiculous contract that will hurt the team in the long run." -- Now this is what is wrong with a large chunk of the webzone...

These two statements are diametrically opposed, because we can't sign Nnamdi without a ridiculous contract.

Somehow there is some belief in the WZ that the York's can just "spend" money and bring in free agents, yet at the same time, miraculously not overspend to bring in these free agents.

Its like going to an auction, where an item is bid up to $10,000. You raise you hand, and win the item.
Then when it is time to pay, you tell them, "I don't want to pay $10,000 dollars, that is too high, I want to pay 7,000 dollars for the item."
In disbelief they ask you, "Well then why did you raise you hand at $10,000 dollars???"
And you repond, "Because I wanted to show that I was serious about the item and committed to winning it in the auction."

THAT is how ridiculous this debate has become. The York's must somehow "spend" for free agents, without actually spending the cap money required to bring them in. If they don't complete this impossible task they are called "cheap" by the webzone.

The reason free agents don't want to play for the 49ers is because we are not a winning team. That is it. Winning team's are more attractive to free agents. Its like that in every sport, its always been like that, and it always will be like that.
Losing teams have to pay more to make the offer more enticing to a free agent. That is why you don't build a team through free agency, you build through the draft.
I think you can add the thought that veterans don't want to play for a former college coach with no nfl coaching experience.
Originally posted by 49erfoeva:
I think you can add the thought that veterans don't want to play for a former college coach with no nfl coaching experience.

Whatever a player thinks about a coach simply falls into the category of "good team" or "bad team".
If the player thinks the coach isn't good, that makes his perception of the team worse. And if he thinks the coach is good, then obviously that raises his perception of the team.

But of course it all comes down to winning. Most observers would presume that a winning team has a "good" coach, and a losing team has "bad" coach. At least that is the perception.
I actually think an "unknown" coach helps to raise the perception of a bad team, because its better to be thought of as "unknown" then to be thought of as "bad".
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by 49erfoeva:
I think you can add the thought that veterans don't want to play for a former college coach with no nfl coaching experience.

Whatever a player thinks about a coach simply falls into the category of "good team" or "bad team".
If the player thinks the coach isn't good, that makes his perception of the team worse. And if he thinks the coach is good, then obviously that raises his perception of the team.

But of course it all comes down to winning. Most observers would presume that a winning team has a "good" coach, and a losing team has "bad" coach. At least that is the perception.
I actually think an "unknown" coach helps to raise the perception of a bad team, because its better to be thought of as "unknown" then to be thought of as "bad".

Would I be out of line if I said I think we will have a winning season in 2012 ?
If they sign the shutdown corner it's a new day.
He'll sign with us on Monday.
Depends what the free agent is looking for.

A vet wants to go someplace where he can win now, especially if he hasn't been winning much during his career.

Some guys just take top dollar wherever they want to go.

Nnamdi made $16 million last year. He's already made his money.

If I were him I'd want to go to the Jets. They have made back to back championship games and you get to play man coverage all game on a dominant defense. They would be one of the Super Bowl favorites if he signs.
Originally posted by susweel:
Been thinking about this free agency and I've come to the conclusion that most free agents dont want to play for the 49ers.



The team hasn't been relevant in the NFL for almost a decade.
Ownership is known as cheap asses around the league.
Rookie HC and rookie GM.
Worst stadium in the NFL.
Cost of living is high and state taxes are high.


The only way we really can get top notch players is if we over pay.


am I wrong on this one ???
Unless you are in a high FO position in the league you cannot make that statement. Even then it'd most likely be a stretch of opinion.

Everything else sounds correct to me.
Originally posted by Engleburger:
I heard we were on Ochocincos list of teams he wanted to be on

Because look where he went to college!!
Watching Mike and Mike: Greeny puts us on his list of FA losers and then back doors that by stating that we're a starting QB away from being a SuperBowl contender and he says Smith is not that guy.
Originally posted by elguapo:
maybe not...who knows b/c i think people would be exited to play for harbaugh with gore davis and on defense with willis justin smith so who knows.

but i would think nnamdi would want to go to a sure winner like the jets over a probable division like the niners....the question is will he enjoy taking the back seat to revis???

I don't think many players would want to play for him at this point. the track record with coaches coming from college are terrible, and he hasn't proved anything yet. Once he's proven something then I think then players would want to buy in.
As long as A Smith is our QB everyone knows we're gonna be pretenders!
Originally posted by susweel:
Been thinking about this free agency and I've come to the conclusion that most free agents dont want to play for the 49ers.



The team hasn't been relevant in the NFL for almost a decade.

True, but also true for 75% of the rest of the teams in the league.

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Ownership is known as cheap asses around the league.

Doesn't matter: all teams are equal in terms of cap and required payout.

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Rookie HC and rookie GM.

The GM is 2nd year, not a rookie, and apparently well-respected as a football guy. At this point, though, Harbaugh is probably considered a liability because he's new and an unknown quantity as an NFL head coach.

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Worst stadium in the NFL.

Certainly in the bottom 15%. Somewhat mitigated by the fact that a new one in a better location (weatherwise) is in the works, though for a short timer FA that doesn't mean much.

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Cost of living is high and state taxes are high.

I think in many ways this could be the most important factor that will penalize the Niners in the years ahead. Unfortunately, the only fix is for the team to move to Texas, Nevada, or some other state that has a significantly lower tax burden (just as so many companies in California have been doing the past few years). In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if some state offered very attractive tax incentives for an owner to move a team there, even though football isn't a huge jobs or revenue generator for state government. The state would do it because it could help draw other companies there that *do* offer jobs and generate revenue.


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The only way we really can get top notch players is if we over pay.

No, because those top notch players will still get better net deals from teams in low-tax states. Remember, with the salary cap, football $$$ is a zero-sum game.

There may be some mitigating factors (playing in high-profile media markets for the glory, blah, blah, blah) but ultimately, it's the money that matters these days.

The point someone made above about an incentive for Asomugha to go to the Jets (good chance of Super Bowl win) is a good one, and frankly will be compelling for a 30-year-old DB who may have only 3-4 good years left. God help us all if Dallas or Houston become perennial powers in the league...

[ Edited by 49erThrowback on Jul 29, 2011 at 06:55:15 ]
Originally posted by Dem9erboyz:
As long as A Smith is our QB everyone knows we're gonna be pretenders!

Exactly!! Everyone in the league knows Alex is garbage...everyone apparently except us!
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Cost of living is high and state taxes are high



This!