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Do free agents want to play for the 49ers ?

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by 49erfaninPA:
Excerpt from today's Philly.com news report:

One theme throughout the day: Free agents are willing to take less money to join the Eagles. Banner said that cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha left money on the table elsewhere because the Eagles were his top choice if the deal was right; then Roseman said he had the feeling that Jenkins, too, could have gotten more money elsewhere.
So if the 49ers offered more, maybe some guys would have signed here. Then winning becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy.

The new Eagles include Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Jason Babin, and Vince Young. New 49ers include David Akers and .......

The theme of the day included the players' desire to play for a winner. They also want to play with a winning quarterback in Michael Vick and a winning coach. We have no quarterback, and while I think hiring Jim Harbaugh is the right move, he is unproven in the NFL.

"Well, it's dramatic," Banner said earlier in the day. "We went in with an aggressive plan. . . . There was a competition for all of the players that we were able to acquire. So we've got a little bit of good fortune. And Trent's plan was to hide in the bushes? Sometimes, you need to make your own breaks.

"We were very aggressive about it. And I think we're to a point where this is one of the more desirable places to play in the league. Sadly, we use to be able to say this. If Eddie was still running the show, I believe he would have looked these guys right into the eyes and said 'We are going to win, with or without you. If you truly want to be part of something special, sign here.' Trent can't even get into the room.

"You have a lot of players that want to win a Super Bowl, and they view this as a place they have a real chance to do that at this point." Ugh, this can't happen. Life around here would suck if this comes true.

And to think, when the Eagles owner bought this team, he said they wanted to be like the gold standard franchise in this league, the 49ers..

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20110731_Weaver_displeased_over_way_he_was_cut.html?cmpid=124488749


This article is true, but the conclusions made from it are not.

1) The 49ers of old attracted FA because they won WITHOUT them for a very long time. The coach, drafted players who fit his scheme, demanded perfection, team won games. Eddie who at times wanted to fire Walsh, treated all his players like family. No salary cap.

2)If Eddie was still running the show, he would still have to follow the salary cap like every other team. I think the difference between Eddie D and Jed/John is that we would bring in a coach who possibly could have altered the trajectory of the W-L record.

3)Eagles were aggressive because they could be - players WANTED to go to Philadelphia and left money on the table with other teams. The payoff for winning is that people late in their careers want to go to a winning team. Why is this surprising?

So are you angry that the 49ers aren't a winning franchise that would attract FA or are you mad at Baalke because he hasn't put together a winning organization yet? In either case, how is this Baalke's fault if a player doesn't want to come to a perceived losing team? It's like blaming the hiring manager for the company's poor financial performance in turning down a job where company stability a key factor in your decision-making.

THANK you! I am not happy with the current 49er reality either, but how did all this Baalke hate get riled up? We have been in a downward spiral since Donahue, and we got him on BW's recommendaion. No one is perfect, but we have so much hero-worship for for some people, tha we have o point blame elsewhere. Donahue would not have been hired had Walsh not hand-picked him. We would not have had the 2004 fire sale if it wasn't for Donahue. If Donahue/Erickson hadn't failed so miserably, we wouldn't have needed a new coach, and the Nolan/Smith/Singletary?Mcloughan mess never would have started. It was a sh*t sandwich before Baalke showed up, but fans are mad now, they want a superbowl now, and Harbaugh was a great college coach who knew BW, so we can't be mad at him, even though he was part of the FA strategy, and supports it fully.

I have no issue with this approach to FA. It would have been cool to get Nnamdi, but I really wanted someone who is talented, moderately experienced, and affordable (that's why I wanted Marshall). Teams that spend huge in FA usually don't get the value they wanted out of their investment, and they end up having greater difficulty re-signing their own players when FA shows up. I don't want to be the Cowboys or the Redskins. I want to be like the Packers. The only way that works is if you draft talent, coach it up well, and resign the irreplaceable players and replace the rest through the draft when they reach their second contract. We haven't developed our talent in the past, but we have a new staff, and we have no reason to doubt this staff's ability to coach. It could take a while, but I don't want to through the bank at a decent season, just to blow it all up in a couple years when we return to cap hell.

Just my two cents
Originally posted by WRATHman44:


THANK you! I am not happy with the current 49er reality either, but how did all this Baalke hate get riled up? We have been in a downward spiral since Donahue, and we got him on BW's recommendaion. No one is perfect, but we have so much hero-worship for for some people, tha we have o point blame elsewhere. Donahue would not have been hired had Walsh not hand-picked him. We would not have had the 2004 fire sale if it wasn't for Donahue. If Donahue/Erickson hadn't failed so miserably, we wouldn't have needed a new coach, and the Nolan/Smith/Singletary?Mcloughan mess never would have started. It was a sh*t sandwich before Baalke showed up, but fans are mad now, they want a superbowl now, and Harbaugh was a great college coach who knew BW, so we can't be mad at him, even though he was part of the FA strategy, and supports it fully.

I have no issue with this approach to FA. It would have been cool to get Nnamdi, but I really wanted someone who is talented, moderately experienced, and affordable (that's why I wanted Marshall). Teams that spend huge in FA usually don't get the value they wanted out of their investment, and they end up having greater difficulty re-signing their own players when FA shows up. I don't want to be the Cowboys or the Redskins. I want to be like the Packers. The only way that works is if you draft talent, coach it up well, and resign the irreplaceable players and replace the rest through the draft when they reach their second contract. We haven't developed our talent in the past, but we have a new staff, and we have no reason to doubt this staff's ability to coach. It could take a while, but I don't want to through the bank at a decent season, just to blow it all up in a couple years when we return to cap hell.

Just my two cents

Spot on
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by 49erfaninPA:
Excerpt from today's Philly.com news report:

One theme throughout the day: Free agents are willing to take less money to join the Eagles. Banner said that cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha left money on the table elsewhere because the Eagles were his top choice if the deal was right; then Roseman said he had the feeling that Jenkins, too, could have gotten more money elsewhere.
So if the 49ers offered more, maybe some guys would have signed here. Then winning becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy.

The new Eagles include Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Jason Babin, and Vince Young. New 49ers include David Akers and .......

The theme of the day included the players' desire to play for a winner. They also want to play with a winning quarterback in Michael Vick and a winning coach. We have no quarterback, and while I think hiring Jim Harbaugh is the right move, he is unproven in the NFL.

"Well, it's dramatic," Banner said earlier in the day. "We went in with an aggressive plan. . . . There was a competition for all of the players that we were able to acquire. So we've got a little bit of good fortune. And Trent's plan was to hide in the bushes? Sometimes, you need to make your own breaks.

"We were very aggressive about it. And I think we're to a point where this is one of the more desirable places to play in the league. Sadly, we use to be able to say this. If Eddie was still running the show, I believe he would have looked these guys right into the eyes and said 'We are going to win, with or without you. If you truly want to be part of something special, sign here.' Trent can't even get into the room.

"You have a lot of players that want to win a Super Bowl, and they view this as a place they have a real chance to do that at this point." Ugh, this can't happen. Life around here would suck if this comes true.

And to think, when the Eagles owner bought this team, he said they wanted to be like the gold standard franchise in this league, the 49ers..

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20110731_Weaver_displeased_over_way_he_was_cut.html?cmpid=124488749


This article is true, but the conclusions made from it are not.

1) The 49ers of old attracted FA because they won WITHOUT them for a very long time. The coach, drafted players who fit his scheme, demanded perfection, team won games. Eddie who at times wanted to fire Walsh, treated all his players like family. No salary cap.

2)If Eddie was still running the show, he would still have to follow the salary cap like every other team. I think the difference between Eddie D and Jed/John is that we would bring in a coach who possibly could have altered the trajectory of the W-L record.

3)Eagles were aggressive because they could be - players WANTED to go to Philadelphia and left money on the table with other teams. The payoff for winning is that people late in their careers want to go to a winning team. Why is this surprising?

So are you angry that the 49ers aren't a winning franchise that would attract FA or are you mad at Baalke because he hasn't put together a winning organization yet? In either case, how is this Baalke's fault if a player doesn't want to come to a perceived losing team? It's like blaming the hiring manager for the company's poor financial performance in turning down a job where company stability a key factor in your decision-making.

THANK you! I am not happy with the current 49er reality either, but how did all this Baalke hate get riled up? We have been in a downward spiral since Donahue, and we got him on BW's recommendaion. No one is perfect, but we have so much hero-worship for for some people, tha we have o point blame elsewhere. Donahue would not have been hired had Walsh not hand-picked him. We would not have had the 2004 fire sale if it wasn't for Donahue. If Donahue/Erickson hadn't failed so miserably, we wouldn't have needed a new coach, and the Nolan/Smith/Singletary?Mcloughan mess never would have started. It was a sh*t sandwich before Baalke showed up, but fans are mad now, they want a superbowl now, and Harbaugh was a great college coach who knew BW, so we can't be mad at him, even though he was part of the FA strategy, and supports it fully.

I have no issue with this approach to FA. It would have been cool to get Nnamdi, but I really wanted someone who is talented, moderately experienced, and affordable (that's why I wanted Marshall). Teams that spend huge in FA usually don't get the value they wanted out of their investment, and they end up having greater difficulty re-signing their own players when FA shows up. I don't want to be the Cowboys or the Redskins. I want to be like the Packers. The only way that works is if you draft talent, coach it up well, and resign the irreplaceable players and replace the rest through the draft when they reach their second contract. We haven't developed our talent in the past, but we have a new staff, and we have no reason to doubt this staff's ability to coach. It could take a while, but I don't want to through the bank at a decent season, just to blow it all up in a couple years when we return to cap hell.

Just my two cents

WRA I agree with you! I don't know what people on this forum expected, but my suspicion is that there expectations were way above what reality is? Harbaugh and Baalke did not inherits a SB winning roster or even a playoff making roster for that matter! It will take time and patience which a lot of Zoners have none of!
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Dont worry guys Franklin is flying in today to maybe sign with us whoo close one franchise is saved
Wonder how that will affect McDonald if Franklin resigns? The Bears are moving on from Kreutz. Hope he ends up a 9ers. Tough and respectable leader.
Originally posted by Shorteous:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:


THANK you! I am not happy with the current 49er reality either, but how did all this Baalke hate get riled up? We have been in a downward spiral since Donahue, and we got him on BW's recommendaion. No one is perfect, but we have so much hero-worship for for some people, tha we have o point blame elsewhere. Donahue would not have been hired had Walsh not hand-picked him. We would not have had the 2004 fire sale if it wasn't for Donahue. If Donahue/Erickson hadn't failed so miserably, we wouldn't have needed a new coach, and the Nolan/Smith/Singletary?Mcloughan mess never would have started. It was a sh*t sandwich before Baalke showed up, but fans are mad now, they want a superbowl now, and Harbaugh was a great college coach who knew BW, so we can't be mad at him, even though he was part of the FA strategy, and supports it fully.

I have no issue with this approach to FA. It would have been cool to get Nnamdi, but I really wanted someone who is talented, moderately experienced, and affordable (that's why I wanted Marshall). Teams that spend huge in FA usually don't get the value they wanted out of their investment, and they end up having greater difficulty re-signing their own players when FA shows up. I don't want to be the Cowboys or the Redskins. I want to be like the Packers. The only way that works is if you draft talent, coach it up well, and resign the irreplaceable players and replace the rest through the draft when they reach their second contract. We haven't developed our talent in the past, but we have a new staff, and we have no reason to doubt this staff's ability to coach. It could take a while, but I don't want to through the bank at a decent season, just to blow it all up in a couple years when we return to cap hell.

Just my two cents

Spot on

Agreed, and let's not forget the single root cause of the last decade of failure. The fact that Eddie D decided to become a "riverboat gambler", thereby having to give up control of the team. Yeah, I know he brought us the personnel to win 5 SB's, but what he did regarding the whole casino license corruption case was just plain stupid.
More bad news... Cards about to get Edwards. Can we sign some players please.
Originally posted by fakers23:
More bad news... Cards about to get Edwards. Can we sign some players please.

Edwards doesn't scare me.
Originally posted by Niners4ever:
Originally posted by fakers23:
More bad news... Cards about to get Edwards. Can we sign some players please.

Edwards doesn't scare me.

Edwards should scare you. Edwards, Fitzgerald and Kolb makes them better than last year. The Niners have nothing.
Originally posted by Nighner:
Originally posted by Niners4ever:
Originally posted by fakers23:
More bad news... Cards about to get Edwards. Can we sign some players please.

Edwards doesn't scare me.

Edwards should scare you. Edwards, Fitzgerald and Kolb makes them better than last year. The Niners have nothing.

Kolb? The same guy with a passer rating about the same as Alex Smith? Edwards the drama queen that has hands of steel? Get back under the bridge troll.
Originally posted by Niners4ever:
Originally posted by Nighner:
Originally posted by Niners4ever:
Originally posted by fakers23:
More bad news... Cards about to get Edwards. Can we sign some players please.

Edwards doesn't scare me.

Edwards should scare you. Edwards, Fitzgerald and Kolb makes them better than last year. The Niners have nothing.

Kolb? The same guy with a passer rating about the same as Alex Smith? Edwards the drama queen that has hands of steel? Get back under the bridge troll.

For real?? Kolb played well against us last year and have you taken a look at our secondary? Also they signed Heap!
Originally posted by JustaFan45:
Originally posted by Niners4ever:
Originally posted by Nighner:
Originally posted by Niners4ever:
Originally posted by fakers23:
More bad news... Cards about to get Edwards. Can we sign some players please.

Edwards doesn't scare me.

Edwards should scare you. Edwards, Fitzgerald and Kolb makes them better than last year. The Niners have nothing.

Kolb? The same guy with a passer rating about the same as Alex Smith? Edwards the drama queen that has hands of steel? Get back under the bridge troll.

For real?? Kolb played well against us last year and have you taken a look at our secondary? Also they signed Heap!

Heap is never healthy...but I still think we need some players...
Apparently some do....
I think you should have your answer now. Yes, many free agents are willing to come to SF. Some won't be we got our share to come. Now we will see if it does anything for us.