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Biggest Suprise Post Lockout: Team FAs

Biggest Suprise Post Lockout: Team FAs

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Awesome article on FAs actually ......

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6782227/free-agents-meet-hell

I really think we should let Franklin walk. No long-term deal for a 30 yo undersized NT. Just sayin. Name 2 players on D better than Franklin? Okay - Willis, and Smith. The fact that Franklin could possibly be the 3rd best player on this D is NOTHING to brag about. Press the upgrade button.

Easy to say however there isn't really an upgrade available. Perhaps a stopgap in Kris Jenkins depending on his knees ?
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Awesome article on FAs actually ......

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6782227/free-agents-meet-hell

I really think we should let Franklin walk. No long-term deal for a 30 yo undersized NT. Just sayin. Name 2 players on D better than Franklin? Okay - Willis, and Smith. The fact that Franklin could possibly be the 3rd best player on this D is NOTHING to brag about. Press the upgrade button.

we have no one to upgrade with

we seriously need to adress NT in next years draft
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Awesome article on FAs actually ......

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6782227/free-agents-meet-hell

I really think we should let Franklin walk. No long-term deal for a 30 yo undersized NT. Just sayin. Name 2 players on D better than Franklin? Okay - Willis, and Smith. The fact that Franklin could possibly be the 3rd best player on this D is NOTHING to brag about. Press the upgrade button.

we have no one to upgrade with

we seriously need to adress NT in next years draft

Yeah, why spend big money to settle for Franklin. We should look to the draft next because this season is probably a wash anyway.
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
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Niners will throw up gang signs wasn't an option....

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It's possible that Manny tests the FA waers, and the money that he expected is not out there. Under that scenario, maybe he comes back. If Snyder really wants Franklin, he will shovel money at him, and Abrayu will get fat and happy.

Nate refusing to restructure could be another possibility; that dude seems pretty proud, and accepting a pay cut is a serious shot to the ego.

I can see any of those scenerios playing out.

I think that if Snyder is out of the Franklin sweep stakes there is a good chance we resign him. It's likely Houston will go after a big name CB, in which case they wont go after Franklin. Outside of that, I think we can complete with any other 3-4 team. I just dont know that I want him. Age and talent isn't the problem, it's the dedication. I worried about anyone that is strictley after the money.

Yeah, I think he is a case of "happy fat guy" waiting to happen. Last year, everyone said he was training hard on his own while he sat out practices w/ his Franchise Tag, but he sucked for the first few weeks. It seems that most of the dirtbag big money FA flops are big guys (DL or OL). Some guys don't make it because their skill set doesn't translate to a new scheme, but it seems like a lot of big guys get paid and quit trying.

As far as Snyder goes, I think they need an NT, and they know it. Mebane is a maybe, as he's been in a 4-3 his whole career, so Abrayu is the best option for Washington (I am of the mind that they need to dump Haynesworth for whatever they can get).

Any guy who has to put in work as a backup for 6 years before they get a chance to start has a good work ethic.

I dont think that' neccessarily true, Pete. Some guys are motivated because financially they need to be. Once they get paid, the motivation is gone. That's not just true of sports, that's true of almost any business.

Yeah but to stay in the league for 6 years as a journeyman and then finally get your shot as a starter and never look back requires a good work ethic. Its not like he was ever guaranteed any money anywhere before Nolan traded for him. Nolan was notorious for wanting to bring in lunch pale guys with extrodinary work ethic. I don't think Franklin has shown anything besides a little rust post-holdout.

Then I hope we sign him and I hope you're right....

I hope we sign him too. We have the cap room and we need him. I really don't understand why theres a hesitation to pay him. Maybe they really believe in Soap and RayMac as starters.

1 gap NT`s like Franklin are a dime a dozen. Its a 2 gap NT thats hard to replace. He is getting his walking papers and we wont skip a beat with our current roster.

If they were a dime a dozen every 3-4 team would be running a 1 gap scheme. Our defense looks alot worse when Franklin is not in the game so I don't know why you think we will be just as good with our current roster minus Franklin. That makes no sense.

Because we have a coaching staff that wont be sleeping in the press box( Raye ) and openly admitting that they have never heard of Brian westbrook. Saying he would need to watch tape to see how good he was and if how we could use him. Or a HC who not only hires such a scrub, but actually puts the idiot in charge of the offense. All while instilling his family crap and only working 8-10 hrs a day when every other HC is putting in 100 hr work weeks.

Soap was asked to play a 2 gap scheme when he was our NT. Assuming we stick with a one gap scheme Soap is much quicker, stronger and more explosive then Franklin.

What does Jimmy Raye have to do with the defense? When Soap played nose in a 2 gap scheme WE SUCKED.

It shows how stupid our HC was last year. You know the guy who runs the team.

As I said before, assuming we stay with a 1 gap scheme Soap is much quicker, stronger and more explosive then Franklin.

If Soap is so much more suited to play nose in a 1 gap then why didn't he play nose last year? We could have started Smith-Soap-RayMac last year if that was the case but we didn't. We franchised Franklin and payed him top dollar to start instead. Why would the team do that if he can be replaced so easily by a guy we already have under contract? And don't blame it on Sing because he didn't decide who got the franchise tag.

Dont blame it on Sing? Sing makes the final call on who plays. The same Sing who started Troy Smith over Alex and costed us the playoffs. Wasnt it also Scotty M who was fired btw, the one who franchised Franklin?

They havent gave Franklin a contract yet and they wont because he isnt worth it.

You don't seem to read everything that is said, so I will underline what was actually important out of my statement.

Sing did not decide who got franchise tagged and payed the average of the top 5 players at their position. The front office decided that.

Players who get franchised by an organization always start (duh)

Soap wasn't even a full time starter at d end this year.

Teams don't franchise tag players that they can easily replace with another player that is under contract. If you think they do then you are slow.

As state earlier by another poster, Becuase surely I have to repeat everything previously stated....

- Manusky was happy to have Sopoaga play LDE... he was our best option at that spot.

- Franklin had flashes of excellence in 2009 and we didn't yet know where his ceiling was.

- We don't know for sure if Sopoaga will thrive in a 1-gap NT role... but looking at his skill-set, it stands to reason that he can do it well.

Again, Soap split time with Macdonald last year. He was not a full time starter.

Franklin was franchise tagged 2 years in a row.

We may not know if Soap will thrive, but considering we had a defensive coaching staff in place that did know, because a 1gap 34 was the defense in place, we would not have wasted 12 million dollars to sign someone who could be replaced by somone we have locked up long term making reasonable money.

Patrick Willis and Justin Smith, our two best defenseive players, have both stated Franklin is underrated by fans and have lobbied for his return as recently as last week.

Some of your facts need checking. If Soap was not a full time starter, then neither was Franklin. Both of them were on the field with the base package the vast majority of the time, and both left the field in obvious passing situations (Macdonald and JSmith manned the DT spots). Both were occasionally spelled on base downs by their backups (Macdonald for Soap, RJF for Franklin).

The coaches stated that they had faith in Soap's ability to man the nose (when Franklin did not report and RJF was still a bit of an unknown commodity), and he practiced the position last offseason.

It was also discussed fairly widely that they Franchised Franklin to protect the whole line, not just the nose. They liked Soap at LDE, and did not know if Macdonald was ready to start yet (recovering from additional knee surgery).

Franklin was only franchised once, and at a fairly reasonable price. This season, 2011, would have been the second season, and they declined to tag him because it would have cost over $12 million (thanks Haynesworth).
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Awesome article on FAs actually ......

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6782227/free-agents-meet-hell

I really think we should let Franklin walk. No long-term deal for a 30 yo undersized NT. Just sayin. Name 2 players on D better than Franklin? Okay - Willis, and Smith. The fact that Franklin could possibly be the 3rd best player on this D is NOTHING to brag about. Press the upgrade button.

I am certainly down for an upgrade, but until we see Soap or RJF on the field as a single gap NT we won't know if we have a reasonable line this year or not. And if we don't, then let's refranchise Franklin one more year. As long as he is the best option, and that is something we can't judge.

But draft a long term solution? Oh yes, where do I sign?!!
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Awesome article on FAs actually ......

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6782227/free-agents-meet-hell

I really think we should let Franklin walk. No long-term deal for a 30 yo undersized NT. Just sayin. Name 2 players on D better than Franklin? Okay - Willis, and Smith. The fact that Franklin could possibly be the 3rd best player on this D is NOTHING to brag about. Press the upgrade button.

Now this part of that article was a strong reinforcement for what good coaching can do for players... I am also reminded yet again of Tully Banta-Cain... who had 5.5 sacks in spot duty for NE in 2006... then came to SF... couldn't put up more than 4 sacks in TWO years... then went back to NE in 2009 to put up 9.5 sacks that year.

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Here's a good rule of thumb in the NFL: You're not smarter than the Pittsburgh Steelers. Nobody does a better job of drafting and developing talent than the Steelers, and outside of the Eagles, nobody is more confident about letting their veterans leave while creating opportunities for new talent to come through. That goes double on defense, where the mind of Dick LeBeau is arguably the unit's most valuable asset. We went through the past 10 seasons and identified every time a regular starter on the Pittsburgh defense left the team in free agency. Of the 14 players, eight lasted only one season or less with their new teams.
Originally posted by RonMexico:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
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Niners will throw up gang signs wasn't an option....


Flamed in my own thread....

On the bright side....

Looks like I need to brush up on my hardcore porn!

P.S. - I'd like to thank the Petes for their historic contribution to this thread...
[ Edited by Oakland-Niner on Jul 20, 2011 at 7:42 AM ]
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Awesome article on FAs actually ......

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6782227/free-agents-meet-hell

I really think we should let Franklin walk. No long-term deal for a 30 yo undersized NT. Just sayin. Name 2 players on D better than Franklin? Okay - Willis, and Smith. The fact that Franklin could possibly be the 3rd best player on this D is NOTHING to brag about. Press the upgrade button.

I am certainly down for an upgrade, but until we see Soap or RJF on the field as a single gap NT we won't know if we have a reasonable line this year or not. And if we don't, then let's refranchise Franklin one more year. As long as he is the best option, and that is something we can't judge.

But draft a long term solution? Oh yes, where do I sign?!!

We won't franchise Franklin. It would pay him more than anyone on defense. And I'm not sure we can with the new agreement.
Apparently Kris Jenkins retired today....Looks like Franklin just went from being a hot commodity to complete nuclear fusion...


I voted that we might sign Franklin, now there is no chance....
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Apparently Kris Jenkins retired today....Looks like Franklin just went from being a hot commodity to complete nuclear fusion...


I voted that we might sign Franklin, now there is no chance....

Crap. Crap. Crap. Crap.

Okay Fangio will have to find a "gem". Well Nolan discovered Franklin ... so maybe Fangio can find someone else.
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Apparently Kris Jenkins retired today....Looks like Franklin just went from being a hot commodity to complete nuclear fusion...


I voted that we might sign Franklin, now there is no chance....

Crap. Crap. Crap. Crap.

Okay Fangio will have to find a "gem". Well Nolan discovered Franklin ... so maybe Fangio can find someone else.

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/206601/former-jets-panthers-nt-kris-jenkins-retires

Not sure what Fiango has up his sleeve, but if RayMac doesnt sign we are in deep doo-doo.
[ Edited by Oakland-Niner on Jul 20, 2011 at 5:31 PM ]
The biggest surprise would be Lawson re-signing. The Niners never got the return on their first round investment in him. They also may have miscast him as a 3-4 OLB because he never provided the pass rush they were looking for. Some 4-3 team will give him big money to be a SLB who can cover.
They will call Silk...
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