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Digger
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Originally posted by RichmondPete:
For the love of god it was a 2nd round pick's rookie season. I don't understand why everyone is so surprised he struggled. Not to mention, we were one of the most poorly coached teams of all time.
Agreed. Mays has a ton of assetts that cannot be coached, namely exceptional size combined with unreal raw physical talent. I'm still very optimistic that with proper coaching and used the right way he can excel in the league.
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WildBill
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Originally posted by Marvin49:
I actually think Mays will be much improved this year. I don't think he's a very instinctual player, but physically he's off the charts.
Under Manusky, the two safeties were interchangable. Mays was very often forced to pay in space...playing center field. Thats simply not his strength.
I think Fangio will play him much closer to the line in a more clasic Strong Safety position.
While Mays may never be a "playmaker", ya gotta love the guy because he's so physically gifted and he is willing to work at it. He will put in the time and effort to try to WILL himself to be great.
The whole thing last year after te draft was misunderstood. He wasn't upset that Carroll didn't select him. He know Thomas was considered a better player. He was upset because he had been asking Carroll what he could do to improve as a player and Carroll kept telling him "keep doing what you're doing". He wanted to improve. He wanted to do everything he could.
You really can't ask a guy for more than that.
Fangio will make use of the talent he has, and since their are a lot of speed demons and what not-expect a lot blitz packages, not just for passing downs, but run blitzs that can blow up an Off's blocking assignment.
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RichmondPete
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Having a 230 pound DB who can run a 4.3 is an asset to the team even if he never develops into a full time starter. The same people who were crying about Michael Robinson getting cut because of how important he was to the team are already calling Mays a complete bust. At the very least he is a special teams ace.
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nw9erfan
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Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
I actually think Mays will be much improved this year. I don't think he's a very instinctual player, but physically he's off the charts.
Under Manusky, the two safeties were interchangable. Mays was very often forced to pay in space...playing center field. Thats simply not his strength.
I think Fangio will play him much closer to the line in a more clasic Strong Safety position.
While Mays may never be a "playmaker", ya gotta love the guy because he's so physically gifted and he is willing to work at it. He will put in the time and effort to try to WILL himself to be great.
The whole thing last year after te draft was misunderstood. He wasn't upset that Carroll didn't select him. He know Thomas was considered a better player. He was upset because he had been asking Carroll what he could do to improve as a player and Carroll kept telling him "keep doing what you're doing". He wanted to improve. He wanted to do everything he could.
You really can't ask a guy for more than that.
Fangio will make use of the talent he has, and since their are a lot of speed demons and what not-expect a lot blitz packages, not just for passing downs, but run blitzs that can blow up an Off's blocking assignment.
Agreed..... Mays should be used almost like another LB. I think with his strength and speed, he can be a terrific blitzer.
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Joecool
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Originally posted by Digger:
Originally posted by RichmondPete:
For the love of god it was a 2nd round pick's rookie season. I don't understand why everyone is so surprised he struggled. Not to mention, we were one of the most poorly coached teams of all time.
Agreed. Mays has a ton of assetts that cannot be coached, namely exceptional size combined with unreal raw physical talent. I'm still very optimistic that with proper coaching and used the right way he can excel in the league.
I would agree with this if he hadn't played an NFL down but dude looked like a Cadillac in terms of reaction and getting to the point more than he looked like a low lying quick sports car.
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qnnhan7
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Lott played FS. If he thinks Mays can play the position. It's good enough to let him try it at that position. Development.
Matt Millen played in the NFL. If he thinks a player will be good in the NFL, then that's good enough.
Millen tried to be GM, making evaluation on every position on his team. He over-extended his ego. Ronnie just endorsed/an opinion, on a player that played the same position he played. Not the same comparison. I would take Millen's opinion of LB over his opinion on WR
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dtg_9er
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If the 9ers can make Mays work at safety and Clements at CB in a more aggressive D, wow! It will be an interesting year. The D backfield is full of athletes, just not astute cover guys. Perhaps a new scheme will work.
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A "spike"? I'll be happy if he just sees the field.
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Joecool
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Originally posted by dtg_9er:
If the 9ers can make Mays work at safety and Clements at CB in a more aggressive D, wow! It will be an interesting year. The D backfield is full of athletes, just not astute cover guys. Perhaps a new scheme will work.
It will be interesting what we will do with our Safeties.
Here's something I found on Dom Capers and the 3-4:
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"When they move into their dime defense with six defensive backs and four down linemen, the Steelers used their hard-hitting defensive backs close to the line of scrimmage in the slot. That way, they can either cover the wide receiver or they are close enough, fast enough and big enough to blitz the quarterback.
Thus, when the Steelers go into their dime defense, the offense faces a perplexing combination that looks like this: the middle linebacker moves to the right outside rush spot and the right linebacker moves to the the left linebacker position with two down linemen between them. The left linebacker moves to the middle linebacker position. A Corner and a safety are near the line of scrimmage, in the slot positions. Any or all of them can blitz. (88k)
http://library.thinkquest.org/12590/domcaper.htm
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GoGetit
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Thank you
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Joecool
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Originally posted by GoGetit:
Thank you
So Capers would use essentially have 4 Safeties in the game during passing situations and use the hardest hitters or more aggressive ones to act as OLB but appear as nickel and dime backs.
What's even more interesting is that there's still 3 LB on the field. This is old but it's still interesting.
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hondakillerzx
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i think Mays is gonna be a huge part of fangio's defense. this year we drafted for speed on defense and mays has speed and he can hit! probably gonna use him as a safety/linebacker. cant wait to see it
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dtg_9er
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
If the 9ers can make Mays work at safety and Clements at CB in a more aggressive D, wow! It will be an interesting year. The D backfield is full of athletes, just not astute cover guys. Perhaps a new scheme will work.
It will be interesting what we will do with our Safeties.
Here's something I found on Dom Capers and the 3-4:
Quote:
"When they move into their dime defense with six defensive backs and four down linemen, the Steelers used their hard-hitting defensive backs close to the line of scrimmage in the slot. That way, they can either cover the wide receiver or they are close enough, fast enough and big enough to blitz the quarterback.
Thus, when the Steelers go into their dime defense, the offense faces a perplexing combination that looks like this: the middle linebacker moves to the right outside rush spot and the right linebacker moves to the the left linebacker position with two down linemen between them. The left linebacker moves to the middle linebacker position. A Corner and a safety are near the line of scrimmage, in the slot positions. Any or all of them can blitz. (88k)
http://library.thinkquest.org/12590/domcaper.htm
Good find! I can see that working with these guys...sickem! Puts pressure on the CBs to stick like glue but for a shorter time. If it breaks down it will look bad, but the upside is consistent disruption.
[ Edited by dtg_9er on May 16, 2011 at 6:45 PM ]
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Godsleftsock
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by 49ersNoKaOi:
You can teach someone to be fluid with their hips. Tell mays to take some Tahitian dance classes and do ju jit su, he'll come out 100% better.
That's only because it's choreographed. It's one thing to follow steps but it's another to be required to instantly react differently in nearly every situation.
So you're saying jiujitsu is choreographed?
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Joecool
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Originally posted by Godsleftsock:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by 49ersNoKaOi:
You can teach someone to be fluid with their hips. Tell mays to take some Tahitian dance classes and do ju jit su, he'll come out 100% better.
That's only because it's choreographed. It's one thing to follow steps but it's another to be required to instantly react differently in nearly every situation.
So you're saying jiujitsu is choreographed?
No, I was talking about dancing. Does ju jit su require having fluid hips?