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ESPN power rankings - RBs - Gore #10

Originally posted by NickSh49:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by wailers15:
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
AP should be #1

and Ray Rice????

Gore is better than him. Id put McCoy in front of Gore too

Um Ray Rice loses all of his goal line carries to Willis McGahee, or McClain.

He has Avg 550 + receiving yards the last 2 years
Rushing 1200 + the last 2 years.
In 09 he had 2041 combine yards with 8 tds.

Rice has more total yards the last 2 years compared to gore. Gore is hurt to much. It's a fair ranking. Plus Gore doesn't lose goal line carries to anyone.

Here's the matchup for both players for the last 2 years (total rush & rec yds & tds):

Rice: 3,817 total yards with 14 tds

Gore: 2,831 total yards with 18 tds


UMMMMM??????????????? Speaks for itself. Ray rice is legit. Especially since he splits the load with McGahee especially on the goal line

Ray Rice has a pretty good line blocking for him, Gore doesn't. Rice has had competent coordinators calling plays, Gore hasn't. Rice has a QB that can burn the defense if they only focus on the running game, Gore doesn't. Therefor, Ray Rice is not the sole focus of any defense, Gore is.

Take those numbers and throw them in the trash.

Man, these stats are so... statistical! Boo numbers! BOO!

Forgive me for not laughing at your pathetic display of sarcasm.

You want numbers? OK.

Ray Rice played in 16 games in 2010, had 307 carries for 1,220 yards and 5 TDs. Frank Gore played in 11 games, carried the ball 203 times for 853 yards and 3TDs. Gore's numbers extrapolated to 16 games would look like this: 295 carries for 1,240 yards and 4 TDs. The numbers are almost identical, so people who can only rely on NFL.com's stats pages to compare players would assume they're about the same. Then there are those of us who realize that Ray Rice had good coaching, play calling, blocking and some anonymity when it came to opposing defenses' game plans. Gore, on the other hand, had the worst coaching in the league, the most predictable play calling in the league, bad blocking and was the sole focus of most defenses all year long, yet he produced as well as Ray Rice. Not to mention Ray Rice is not even in the same league when it comes to blitz pickup.

Gore >>>> Ray Rice.

But since the numbers don't spell it out for some of you, you don't get it. That is cause for .

[ Edited by 49erRider on Mar 21, 2011 at 00:27:55 ]
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
I think a lot of you guys forget that everything that Frank has done has been in one of the league's biggest craphole offenses. Can you imagine what he'd have done with some decent coaching/system/supporting cast?

No, they can't because the stats page on NFL.com doesn't tell them that.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by lamontb:
that seems about right considering his injury.

If he could stay healthy, the list and his stats might look a little different. We can't hypothesize what he would have done if healthy. Results, for better or worse, are the only thing that matters.
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
I think a lot of you guys forget that everything that Frank has done has been in one of the league's biggest craphole offenses. Can you imagine what he'd have done with some decent coaching/system/supporting cast?

No, they can't because the stats page on NFL.com doesn't tell them that.

Agreed Stoney. Frank Gore is the most underrated player on these boards. Every defense has known since 2006 that all you have to focus on is stopping Frank Gore. Their primary objective each game is to stop him, never caring about what our garbage passing offense is doing. All of this and Gore is still always near the top of the league each season. It's mind-blowing what type of player he could have been had he played in a competent offense.
I dont buy that he is in decline yet....he could be...

But considering how s**tty the offense he is in is......it would not shock me if he exploded this year
We can only hope that when Gore plays again he will be in the top 10 still. Between the knees and now this hip thing im kinda worried.
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by NickSh49:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by wailers15:
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
AP should be #1

and Ray Rice????

Gore is better than him. Id put McCoy in front of Gore too

Um Ray Rice loses all of his goal line carries to Willis McGahee, or McClain.

He has Avg 550 + receiving yards the last 2 years
Rushing 1200 + the last 2 years.
In 09 he had 2041 combine yards with 8 tds.

Rice has more total yards the last 2 years compared to gore. Gore is hurt to much. It's a fair ranking. Plus Gore doesn't lose goal line carries to anyone.

Here's the matchup for both players for the last 2 years (total rush & rec yds & tds):

Rice: 3,817 total yards with 14 tds

Gore: 2,831 total yards with 18 tds


UMMMMM??????????????? Speaks for itself. Ray rice is legit. Especially since he splits the load with McGahee especially on the goal line

Ray Rice has a pretty good line blocking for him, Gore doesn't. Rice has had competent coordinators calling plays, Gore hasn't. Rice has a QB that can burn the defense if they only focus on the running game, Gore doesn't. Therefor, Ray Rice is not the sole focus of any defense, Gore is.

Take those numbers and throw them in the trash.

Man, these stats are so... statistical! Boo numbers! BOO!

Forgive me for not laughing at your pathetic display of sarcasm.

You want numbers? OK.

Ray Rice played in 16 games in 2010, had 307 carries for 1,220 yards and 5 TDs. Frank Gore played in 11 games, carried the ball 203 times for 853 yards and 3TDs. Gore's numbers extrapolated to 16 games would look like this: 295 carries for 1,240 yards and 4 TDs. The numbers are almost identical, so people who can only rely on NFL.com's stats pages to compare players would assume they're about the same. Then there are those of us who realize that Ray Rice had good coaching, play calling, blocking and some anonymity when it came to opposing defenses' game plans. Gore, on the other hand, had the worst coaching in the league, the most predictable play calling in the league, bad blocking and was the sole focus of most defenses all year long, yet he produced as well as Ray Rice. Not to mention Ray Rice is not even in the same league when it comes to blitz pickup.

Gore >>>> Ray Rice.

But since the numbers don't spell it out for some of you, you don't get it. That is cause for .

Well you didn't count REC yards, and you only counted 2010, so...
Originally posted by FreddyG:
We can only hope that when Gore plays again he will be in the top 10 still. Between the knees and now this hip thing im kinda worried.

Why. He hasn't hurt his either of his knees (other than a minor tweek here or there) since college and the hip injury, his first and only major injury in 6 years as an NFL running back, is not a big deal at all.

If you're going to worry about something worry about his ankles. It's an ankle sprain that usually keeps him out a game or two.
Originally posted by NickSh49:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by NickSh49:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by wailers15:
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
AP should be #1

and Ray Rice????

Gore is better than him. Id put McCoy in front of Gore too

Um Ray Rice loses all of his goal line carries to Willis McGahee, or McClain.

He has Avg 550 + receiving yards the last 2 years
Rushing 1200 + the last 2 years.
In 09 he had 2041 combine yards with 8 tds.

Rice has more total yards the last 2 years compared to gore. Gore is hurt to much. It's a fair ranking. Plus Gore doesn't lose goal line carries to anyone.

Here's the matchup for both players for the last 2 years (total rush & rec yds & tds):

Rice: 3,817 total yards with 14 tds

Gore: 2,831 total yards with 18 tds


UMMMMM??????????????? Speaks for itself. Ray rice is legit. Especially since he splits the load with McGahee especially on the goal line

Ray Rice has a pretty good line blocking for him, Gore doesn't. Rice has had competent coordinators calling plays, Gore hasn't. Rice has a QB that can burn the defense if they only focus on the running game, Gore doesn't. Therefor, Ray Rice is not the sole focus of any defense, Gore is.

Take those numbers and throw them in the trash.

Man, these stats are so... statistical! Boo numbers! BOO!

Forgive me for not laughing at your pathetic display of sarcasm.

You want numbers? OK.

Ray Rice played in 16 games in 2010, had 307 carries for 1,220 yards and 5 TDs. Frank Gore played in 11 games, carried the ball 203 times for 853 yards and 3TDs. Gore's numbers extrapolated to 16 games would look like this: 295 carries for 1,240 yards and 4 TDs. The numbers are almost identical, so people who can only rely on NFL.com's stats pages to compare players would assume they're about the same. Then there are those of us who realize that Ray Rice had good coaching, play calling, blocking and some anonymity when it came to opposing defenses' game plans. Gore, on the other hand, had the worst coaching in the league, the most predictable play calling in the league, bad blocking and was the sole focus of most defenses all year long, yet he produced as well as Ray Rice. Not to mention Ray Rice is not even in the same league when it comes to blitz pickup.

Gore >>>> Ray Rice.

But since the numbers don't spell it out for some of you, you don't get it. That is cause for .

Well you didn't count REC yards, and you only counted 2010, so...

Those numbers are comparable too.
Originally posted by NickSh49:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by NickSh49:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by wailers15:
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
AP should be #1

and Ray Rice????

Gore is better than him. Id put McCoy in front of Gore too

Um Ray Rice loses all of his goal line carries to Willis McGahee, or McClain.

He has Avg 550 + receiving yards the last 2 years
Rushing 1200 + the last 2 years.
In 09 he had 2041 combine yards with 8 tds.

Rice has more total yards the last 2 years compared to gore. Gore is hurt to much. It's a fair ranking. Plus Gore doesn't lose goal line carries to anyone.

Here's the matchup for both players for the last 2 years (total rush & rec yds & tds):

Rice: 3,817 total yards with 14 tds

Gore: 2,831 total yards with 18 tds


UMMMMM??????????????? Speaks for itself. Ray rice is legit. Especially since he splits the load with McGahee especially on the goal line

Ray Rice has a pretty good line blocking for him, Gore doesn't. Rice has had competent coordinators calling plays, Gore hasn't. Rice has a QB that can burn the defense if they only focus on the running game, Gore doesn't. Therefor, Ray Rice is not the sole focus of any defense, Gore is.

Take those numbers and throw them in the trash.

Man, these stats are so... statistical! Boo numbers! BOO!

Forgive me for not laughing at your pathetic display of sarcasm.

You want numbers? OK.

Ray Rice played in 16 games in 2010, had 307 carries for 1,220 yards and 5 TDs. Frank Gore played in 11 games, carried the ball 203 times for 853 yards and 3TDs. Gore's numbers extrapolated to 16 games would look like this: 295 carries for 1,240 yards and 4 TDs. The numbers are almost identical, so people who can only rely on NFL.com's stats pages to compare players would assume they're about the same. Then there are those of us who realize that Ray Rice had good coaching, play calling, blocking and some anonymity when it came to opposing defenses' game plans. Gore, on the other hand, had the worst coaching in the league, the most predictable play calling in the league, bad blocking and was the sole focus of most defenses all year long, yet he produced as well as Ray Rice. Not to mention Ray Rice is not even in the same league when it comes to blitz pickup.

Gore >>>> Ray Rice.

But since the numbers don't spell it out for some of you, you don't get it. That is cause for .

Well you didn't count REC yards, and you only counted 2010, so...

Yeah, the trick in Wailers15's post is that he's choosing to count the last two years because Rice had a great season in 09/10, and that is a complete outlier from his performance both in 08/09 and 10/11. By demanding that we look at two years instead of just last year (and the list seems to otherwise be based on last year given the inclusion of McFadden and Foster) he gets to make it look Ray Rice wildly outshines Gore. It's a neat trick, but it shouldn't be that convincing.

Last year Frank Gore outperformed Ray Rice in:

Rushing Yards/Game
Rushing Yards/Carry
Receiving Yards/Game
Yards/Reception
Receiving TD/Reception
Total Yards/Game
YAC

He also essentially tied him on Rushing TDs/Carry, and did all of this on a 6-10 team as opposed to a 12-4 team.

Of course, the difference is the injury, but on a per game and per carry or reception basis, Gore outperformed Rice last year by practically every statistical measure (really everything except for rushing tds/per carry and fumbles). It's why Wailers15 has to sneak in Rice's outlier year from two years ago to try to make his case.

[ Edited by PopeyeJonesing on Mar 28, 2011 at 23:16:40 ]
Right now I wouldn't take Gore over ANY of those backs listed. I think he's in the top 10 simply out of respect. He IS on the downside... he IS on a crappy team... and he IS coming off of an injury that he may not fully recover from.
Originally posted by Genius1310:
[url=ESPN]http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/22193/power-rankings-top-10-nfl-running-backs[/url]

1. Chris Johnson, Tennessee Titans
2. Adrian Peterson, Minnesota Vikings
3. M. Jones-Drew, Jacksonville Jaguars
3. Arian Foster, Houston Texans
5. Jamaal Charles, Kansas City Chiefs
6. Michael Turner, Atlanta Falcons
7. Steven Jackson, St. Louis Rams
8. Ray Rice, Baltimore Ravens
9. R. Mendenhall, Pittsburgh Steelers
10. Frank Gore, San Francisco 49ers
10. LeSean McCoy, Philadelphia Eagles
10. Darren McFadden, Oakland Raiders

Finally, a little R-E-S-P-E-C-T!!! Althouth I don't think McCoy and McFadden are Frank's equals. At least not yet.
Well, I always believed that Gore is a top ten back. Number 10? Im not completely sure about that.