Kyle Williams-WCO slot WR?

Originally posted by Lockout:

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:

Originally posted by Lockout:
LOL at this thread... Williams is not close to the type of player you want in the slot. In the slot you want a guy who is physical, can break tackles, and make grabs in traffic over the middle. Dependable, the key word.

Williams is a return specialist that offers nothing other than his straight line speed. He doesn't go over the middle, he sure as hell doesn't break tackles, and his routes reek of garbage..

Then again, this is the webzone.

singletary? that you?

No rainman....Quite the contrary...However, as much as we laugh at his "physical" speeches... The prototype slot guy is the guy who makes grabs in traffic over the middle, has solid hands and can break tackles...None of which Williams does well.

You're a typical internet fan that is in love with speed. Darrius HeyWard-Bey has speed. That doesn't make him a good receiver.

The fact that you think a return specialist that's as durable as a toothpick should get reps over Morgan...just highlight the fact that you have no clue on how offenses are run.

The slot position has a number of uses and use to be filled with very quick players who could move around to get free. While I'm not sold on Williams, he is written up in several scouting reports as a "slot" type receiver. Your definition seems to be a J Rice or Morgan type of player. Rice would be great playing anywhere, and Morgan is not quick enough to play the slot...though they did try him there. As far as speed is concerned, I like quickness more than speed and good route running more than blocking (though blocking is underrated).

You seem to be a bit touchy. You read much into a simple aside. Doing the same with your comment we might gather you agree with Singletary wanting smash mouth football at every position and your post sounded like you wanted Chilo at the slot. Great blocker in space!

[ Edited by dtg_9er on Mar 14, 2011 at 09:06:11 ]

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Lockout:

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:

Originally posted by Lockout:
LOL at this thread... Williams is not close to the type of player you want in the slot. In the slot you want a guy who is physical, can break tackles, and make grabs in traffic over the middle. Dependable, the key word.

Williams is a return specialist that offers nothing other than his straight line speed. He doesn't go over the middle, he sure as hell doesn't break tackles, and his routes reek of garbage..

Then again, this is the webzone.

singletary? that you?

No rainman....Quite the contrary...However, as much as we laugh at his "physical" speeches... The prototype slot guy is the guy who makes grabs in traffic over the middle, has solid hands and can break tackles...None of which Williams does well.

You're a typical internet fan that is in love with speed. Darrius HeyWard-Bey has speed. That doesn't make him a good receiver.

The fact that you think a return specialist that's as durable as a toothpick should get reps over Morgan...just highlight the fact that you have no clue on how offenses are run.

The slot position has a number of uses and use to be filled with very quick players who could move around to get free. While I'm not sold on Williams, he is written up in several scouting reports as a "slot" type receiver. Your definition seems to be a J Rice or Morgan type of player. Rice would be great playing anywhere, and Morgan is not quick enough to play the slot...though they did try him there. As far as speed is concerned, I like quickness more than speed and good route running more than blocking (though blocking is underrated).

You seem to be a bit touchy. Singletary wanted smash mouth football at every position and your post sounded like you wanted to Chilo to the slot. Great blocker in space!

Quickness for the position is just a plus....The main ingredients need to be clean routes, RAC ability, hands, and the ability to go over the middle. What good is there if williams runs a quick slant from the slot but he has Jon Beason waiting to punish him over the middle? None.

Morgan is actually the perfect fit for the slot...and you might want to check your facts, as we have NEVER used Morgan exclusively there. Morgan is excellent in the open field at breaking tackles and making people miss. It's his best attribute. His struggles come from consistently beating #2 CB's on the outside. In the slot, he's going to have a lot less Man coverage and more zones for him to run crosses and find the soft spot in the zone over the middle.

Kyle Williams is just like Brandon Williams...A smurf receiver/returner who is an IR waiting too happen and a p*ssy. There's no way in hell any coach or executive would agree that he deserves reps over a player like Morgan.

Originally posted by Lockout:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Lockout:

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:

Originally posted by Lockout:
LOL at this thread... Williams is not close to the type of player you want in the slot. In the slot you want a guy who is physical, can break tackles, and make grabs in traffic over the middle. Dependable, the key word.

Williams is a return specialist that offers nothing other than his straight line speed. He doesn't go over the middle, he sure as hell doesn't break tackles, and his routes reek of garbage..

Then again, this is the webzone.

singletary? that you?

No rainman....Quite the contrary...However, as much as we laugh at his "physical" speeches... The prototype slot guy is the guy who makes grabs in traffic over the middle, has solid hands and can break tackles...None of which Williams does well.

You're a typical internet fan that is in love with speed. Darrius HeyWard-Bey has speed. That doesn't make him a good receiver.

The fact that you think a return specialist that's as durable as a toothpick should get reps over Morgan...just highlight the fact that you have no clue on how offenses are run.

The slot position has a number of uses and use to be filled with very quick players who could move around to get free. While I'm not sold on Williams, he is written up in several scouting reports as a "slot" type receiver. Your definition seems to be a J Rice or Morgan type of player. Rice would be great playing anywhere, and Morgan is not quick enough to play the slot...though they did try him there. As far as speed is concerned, I like quickness more than speed and good route running more than blocking (though blocking is underrated).

You seem to be a bit touchy. Singletary wanted smash mouth football at every position and your post sounded like you wanted to Chilo to the slot. Great blocker in space!

Quickness for the position is just a plus....The main ingredients need to be clean routes, RAC ability, hands, and the ability to go over the middle. What good is there if williams runs a quick slant from the slot but he has Jon Beason waiting to punish him over the middle? None.

Morgan is actually the perfect fit for the slot...and you might want to check your facts, as we have NEVER used Morgan exclusively there. Morgan is excellent in the open field at breaking tackles and making people miss. It's his best attribute. His struggles come from consistently beating #2 CB's on the outside. In the slot, he's going to have a lot less Man coverage and more zones for him to run crosses and find the soft spot in the zone over the middle.

Kyle Williams is just like Brandon Williams...A smurf receiver/returner who is an IR waiting too happen and a p*ssy. There's no way in hell any coach or executive would agree that he deserves reps over a player like Morgan.

You misquote as well as name call...good start. Exclusively is your term not mine and I will stand by my comments.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Lockout:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Lockout:

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:

Originally posted by Lockout:
LOL at this thread... Williams is not close to the type of player you want in the slot. In the slot you want a guy who is physical, can break tackles, and make grabs in traffic over the middle. Dependable, the key word.

Williams is a return specialist that offers nothing other than his straight line speed. He doesn't go over the middle, he sure as hell doesn't break tackles, and his routes reek of garbage..

Then again, this is the webzone.

singletary? that you?

No rainman....Quite the contrary...However, as much as we laugh at his "physical" speeches... The prototype slot guy is the guy who makes grabs in traffic over the middle, has solid hands and can break tackles...None of which Williams does well.

You're a typical internet fan that is in love with speed. Darrius HeyWard-Bey has speed. That doesn't make him a good receiver.

The fact that you think a return specialist that's as durable as a toothpick should get reps over Morgan...just highlight the fact that you have no clue on how offenses are run.

The slot position has a number of uses and use to be filled with very quick players who could move around to get free. While I'm not sold on Williams, he is written up in several scouting reports as a "slot" type receiver. Your definition seems to be a J Rice or Morgan type of player. Rice would be great playing anywhere, and Morgan is not quick enough to play the slot...though they did try him there. As far as speed is concerned, I like quickness more than speed and good route running more than blocking (though blocking is underrated).

You seem to be a bit touchy. Singletary wanted smash mouth football at every position and your post sounded like you wanted to Chilo to the slot. Great blocker in space!

Quickness for the position is just a plus....The main ingredients need to be clean routes, RAC ability, hands, and the ability to go over the middle. What good is there if williams runs a quick slant from the slot but he has Jon Beason waiting to punish him over the middle? None.

Morgan is actually the perfect fit for the slot...and you might want to check your facts, as we have NEVER used Morgan exclusively there. Morgan is excellent in the open field at breaking tackles and making people miss. It's his best attribute. His struggles come from consistently beating #2 CB's on the outside. In the slot, he's going to have a lot less Man coverage and more zones for him to run crosses and find the soft spot in the zone over the middle.

Kyle Williams is just like Brandon Williams...A smurf receiver/returner who is an IR waiting too happen and a p*ssy. There's no way in hell any coach or executive would agree that he deserves reps over a player like Morgan.

You misquote as well as name call...good start. Exclusively is your term not mine and I will stand by my comments.

and Morgan is not quick enough to play the slot...though they did try him there.

Jesus dude, you just said Morgan was a perfect fit for the slot in a previous post. Did you forget to take your meds this morning?

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Jesus dude, you just said Morgan was a perfect fit for the slot in a previous post. Did you forget to take your meds this morning?

I think he's trying to quote me? How does it feel to be compared to Dustin Hoffman? I sure wouldn't mind having his bank accounts!

He misquoted me and is now trying to show he did not...he forgot the word exclusively from his quote.

[ Edited by dtg_9er on Mar 14, 2011 at 09:35:17 ]

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Jesus dude, you just said Morgan was a perfect fit for the slot in a previous post. Did you forget to take your meds this morning?

I think he's trying to quote me? How does it feel to be compared to Dustin Hoffman? I sure wouldn't mind having his bank accounts!

He misquoted me and is now trying to show he did not...he forgot the word exclusively from his quote.

Hurts my feelings. I think I'm gonna go home sick.

[ Edited by SybErkRimInAL on Mar 14, 2011 at 09:51:28 ]

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Jesus dude, you just said Morgan was a perfect fit for the slot in a previous post. Did you forget to take your meds this morning?

I think he's trying to quote me? How does it feel to be compared to Dustin Hoffman? I sure wouldn't mind having his bank accounts!

He misquoted me and is now trying to show he did not...he forgot the word exclusively from his quote.

Hurts my feelings. I think I'm gonna go home sick.

You should feel complemented though as he seems to be following you around on a couple of threads. Remember, be a mentor! Tag, you're it!

Remember the huge role all those little slot receivers played during the "WCO" years of 81-96 or so?

They averaged about 9 catches per year...one of the longest tenured #3 WRs was that little 6'3" smurf, Mike Wilson.

[ Edited by DuhWinning on Mar 14, 2011 at 19:56:45 ]

Slot WRs in the draft


I did it again!

Originally posted by DuhWinning:
Remember the huge role all those little slot receivers played during the "WCO" years of 81-96 or so?

They averaged about 9 catches per year...one of the longest tenured #3 WRs was that little 6'3" smurf, Mike Wilson.

Hey Ed McCaffery did some good s**t for us

I like Williams as the slot, good hands, good route runner, very quick and fast and great open field runner, I think he wins that job

Speaking of WR's...
Im curious to see if Harbaugh flip flops Crabtree and Morgan

Morgan seems more suited as a split end, where he did well his first years as a niner and in college
Crabtree is a flanker, I think he would do much better off the right side as the QB's "go to" reciever

Zeigler probably makes it for depth as backup flanker
Ginn will be listed as a WR, but I doubt he gets on thie field much on offense

I'd also like to see the Niners draft a mid round guy like Salas to compete with Morgan for that #2 spot

Originally posted by SFCH3DDERZ:

Originally posted by ace49ers:
Looking at the highlights he reminds me of D.Jack from the Eagles.

beware dude, i made that comparison last year and i got attacked by the D.Jack nutt riders.

I agree with the both of you and its not a bad comparison D-Jack sucked for one reason........Jeff Hostler!!!

Originally posted by Natewillis2252:

Originally posted by SFCH3DDERZ:

Originally posted by ace49ers:
Looking at the highlights he reminds me of D.Jack from the Eagles.

beware dude, i made that comparison last year and i got attacked by the D.Jack nutt riders.

I agree with the both of you and its not a bad comparison D-Jack sucked for one reason........Jeff Hostler!!!

Never heard of him, but that Jim Hostler character was bad news...

Atta baby!!!! Dude is special. Just needs his shot!