What do we do with lawson!

Originally posted by dj43:
There are some very good teams out there who play the 4-3 very well that will win more games next season than the 49ers, even make a deep playoff run.

I wish him well. He is a good guy who has done everything they have asked of him except rush the passer but he was never the guy McNolan wanted him to be. That is the trouble with falling in love with what you want someone to be instead of who they are.

Perfectly said, my friend! Pefectly said!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dj43:
There are some very good teams out there who play the 4-3 very well that will win more games next season than the 49ers, even make a deep playoff run.

I wish him well. He is a good guy who has done everything they have asked of him except rush the passer but he was never the guy McNolan wanted him to be. That is the trouble with falling in love with what you want someone to be instead of who they are.

Perfectly said, my friend! Pefectly said!

Being from North Carolina, I think Manny could get very excited playing OLB behind John Abraham in Atlanta! The ROL is not settled there and he might get a nice offer from them. Mike Smith, a very good defensive coach, just got extended three years so there would be no question about the future. A strong playoff run would be almost assured.

Or behind Osi Umenyori for the NY Giants. Coughlin's position is not as settled but the personnel and the package would be a great fit for Lawson.

There are others but both of those would be very appealing to a kid who grew up on the East Coast.

Originally posted by wailers15:

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Here's what I'd do...re-sign LaBoy, give Gibson every chance to make an impact, make Brooks a starter. Draft a stud...Miller or Quinn. Trade Haralson, if possible. Manny's a good all-around OLB, but simply isn't stout enough to be a consistent pass rusher. He'd be worth keeping IF he was willing to sign a reasonable contract.

Miller not Quinn. All of this Quinn talk makes me sick. He didn't play, practice at all for a yr. = No Bueno

Didn't a similar thing happen to Dez Bryant last year?

Lawson is very very Fail at Pass Rusher and Fail to tackle other RB! We need him must at Pass Rusher and Tackle.. He can run cover the TE for sometime.. If he is most run cover the TE or RB.. Please we don't need him to run cover too much.. its not good!

We Need a Safety must cover the TE Or WR or RB because SS or FS can defense around.. OLB is must Pass Rusher and Tackles for only that way.. OLB can run the cover the TE or RB sometime that is permit for okay sometime!

[ Edited by BuZzB28 on Feb 4, 2011 at 11:36:10 ]

I'd say we give him a reasonable deal and if he takes it, good, if he doesn't-that may be good also, we can move forward and get someone who could be better, if he signs maybe with better coaching he could be a better player. Ehhhh....., it can go either way.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
OK, this point is about Lawson.

I'm not able to add anything new to the Lawson discussion. However, what are the ramifications if we pay him 4 million a year? Then we pick up a true pass rusher in the draft (Woodly will not leave the Steelers for us). The rookies have their own pool right? Then we pick Asomagh and call it a day. Our D would be killer. So, while Lawson alone might not be worth it, all the pieces together would be priceless. Why couldn't we afford that?

Obviously if you think Lawson sucks it wouldn't make sense. I just dont think Lawson is nearly as replaceable as some of you think. If so, who would you replace him with, because I dont think that person is on the team.

Right now, for what Fangio would run, it would be a no-brainer: Brooks, then LaBoy and b/c he at least proved it one year, Haralson and a potential project in Thadeus Gibson who has excellent pass rushing skills. Manny would be dead last for what this defense will require in 2011. Replaceable.

Maybe I dont understand (stranger things have happend...), but the 3-4 should be all about blitz scheme and not one individual. The reason why Rex Ryan is so dangerous is because you never know from where the blitz comes and who will be in converage. The Niners mistake is that they always ran the worlds most vanilla blitz and you ALWAYS new from where it was coming (except Willis up the middle). I think a lot of people are taking the Baalke quote to the extreme. All the guys you mentioned I would consider a liablity in almost every catagory, especially considering that their sack totals wouldn't exactly classify them as Passrush specialist. Are you really going to sub in Brooks (or take your pick) and pick up 3 or 4 more sacks, but get burned by the TE and RB on a regular basis. Obviously, I can't prove that would happen, but that's the way I see it. Haralson had a Probowler on his side and he could hardly stop the run and rarely got a sack. Brooks and Laboy came in on 3rd down with fresh legs and still rarely got the job done.
Further more, I have to disagree with you. In most of the games that I watched Lawson gets a lot of pressure, he just doesn't get the sack. He would be far more effective with a legit passrusher on the other side, or if he went to the weakside.

Finally, how many teams have two elite passrushers? 1, maybe 2? I think if you kept Lawson and had a great passrusher to complement him, you would see his numbers skyrocket and you wouldn't have to give up coverage and run support.

He could be our Anthony Spencer...

I agree that the Niners have not ultilized Lawson to take full advantage of his skills, and I also agree that he would probably be more effective on the weak side. In addition, someone posted an interesting statistic in the zone recently that stated that Manny was actually a good pass rusher based on the number of opportunities he had.

All of that being said, Manny will command a lot of money as a FA and is probably better suited to play a 4-3 OLB. I think at this point the Niners should let him walk and use the money elsewhere....and that seems to be the consensus here. He is a decent player but the Niners will probably get better value for their money if they replace him. Let us also remember that if Manny signs elsewhere, the Niners get a pick in the middle of the draft which is always good.

I think Manny is a good example of a guy not exactly fitting into what the team wants to do....and that is no knock against him. For this team to get to the next level however, they must have more players who actually fit.....and that means OLBs who can rush the passer.

I seem to recall similar comments about Julian Peterson a few years ago. Lawson is a good athlete and can do almost everything well except pass rush. If Fangio can use him I would like to see him stay. If Fangio believes he can't scheme a pass rush around Lawson then: Oh Well! Getting rid of someone just because you thought he would do something well is shortsighted. Good coaches can find ways to use good players.

That said, it would be folly to overpay for any player unless he has a game changing ability--which Lawson does not.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by wailers15:

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Here's what I'd do...re-sign LaBoy, give Gibson every chance to make an impact, make Brooks a starter. Draft a stud...Miller or Quinn. Trade Haralson, if possible. Manny's a good all-around OLB, but simply isn't stout enough to be a consistent pass rusher. He'd be worth keeping IF he was willing to sign a reasonable contract.

Miller not Quinn. All of this Quinn talk makes me sick. He didn't play, practice at all for a yr. = No Bueno

Didn't a similar thing happen to Dez Bryant last year?

Yes, I believe you are correct!

Von Miller would be nice, but we're gunna draft in the secondary and we'll be forced to resign Lawson...I hope for a small 2 yr deal.

Originally posted by Wodwo:
I’ll tell you what…you and I should really watch this Superbowl closely for the “other OLB” on both teams to see how they are utilized in their 3-4’s to get a better idea of how our current personnel (leaving or not) would fit in. I’ll be as objective as possible. Deal?

2) Deal! Though, it's hard to avoid watching Raji... he takes up 3/4 of the screen.

I think I'm going to note a play-by-play of the front 7? Hmmm...

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Wodwo:
I’ll tell you what…you and I should really watch this Superbowl closely for the “other OLB” on both teams to see how they are utilized in their 3-4’s to get a better idea of how our current personnel (leaving or not) would fit in. I’ll be as objective as possible. Deal?

2) Deal! Though, it's hard to avoid watching Raji... he takes up 3/4 of the screen.

I think I'm going to note a play-by-play of the front 7? Hmmm...

Awesome! This will make good discussion!

Clay Matthews was playing a totally different role than normal, though....

That makes is hard for a one game assessment.

I still think I'm right after watching that game, though.

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Wodwo:
I’ll tell you what…you and I should really watch this Superbowl closely for the “other OLB” on both teams to see how they are utilized in their 3-4’s to get a better idea of how our current personnel (leaving or not) would fit in. I’ll be as objective as possible. Deal?

2) Deal! Though, it's hard to avoid watching Raji... he takes up 3/4 of the screen.

I think I'm going to note a play-by-play of the front 7? Hmmm...

Awesome! This will make good discussion!

Clay Matthews was playing a totally different role than normal, though....

That makes is hard for a one game assessment.

I still think I'm right after watching that game, though.

Capers' use of LBs in this game was very good despite the fact they were getting caught inside on runs that got bounced outside. Capers moved people around and confused the Steeler offense. Having Matthews spy Ben was a game changer in the second half.

Is....i....is this a question or......




I WISH THAT WE COULD KEEP HIM, but that 40 time, that height, speed, ....he's gonna go to the highest bidder.

Originally posted by BuZzB28:
Lawson is very very Fail at Pass Rusher and Fail to tackle other RB! We need him must at Pass Rusher and Tackle.. He can run cover the TE for sometime.. If he is most run cover the TE or RB.. Please we don't need him to run cover too much.. its not good!

We Need a Safety must cover the TE Or WR or RB because SS or FS can defense around.. OLB is must Pass Rusher and Tackles for only that way.. OLB can run the cover the TE or RB sometime that is permit for okay sometime!

Dont like to be grammar police but wow.

Lawson's best fit in my opinion is chicago I think he would dominate with briggs and urlacher. They run a lot of coverage and there linebackers need to be able to run and chase ball carriers. perfect for lawson.