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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by VA9erfan:
I can't wait for some here to get what they ask for.....A. Smith to be gone. Let's hear YOUR plan for next year if / after he is cut loose.

Honestly, do you really think it's going to be impossible to find someone who:

~can do better than 18-30 as a starter?
~has a career passer rating of 71?
~has a career completion % of 56.9?
~has thrown 52 picks to 49 TDs?
~has 85 turnovers in 51 games played
~has never won more than 7 games in a season as a starter?

Is this all Alex's fault? Of course not; he's had to deal with things that few rookie/young QBs have had to...and I actually like Alex as a person and as a man. But there comes a point where Smith fans have to look at the player and see him for what he's done. And what he's done is not pretty.

Findng someone to do better than Smith will not be as difficult as you (and many others) make it seem. It's time to move on (both for him, and for the team).

All those numbers don't mean jack, because if you put Aaron Rodgers in the same position as Alex his numbers would be just as bad. Time has proven that you must surround QB with the weapons to win. We have had horrible drafts over the past 10 years (outside of last year), and put Alex amongst that mediorce mess and you get mediorce play. Alex deserves another year or two with Mike Johnson at OC before we pull the trigger. There is no possible way we can put together any clear cut combo of QB and OC that is hands down better.

This is the most criminal, the worst, of all the Alexcuses. Your logic basically goes like this... give a QB good weapons and he'll play well... give him nothing and he'll be nothing...

Where it all breaks down is when you realise that according to your logic QB play is dictated entirely by the supporting cast. QBs are basically all the same.. there's no such thing as a good QB or bad QB there are only good teams and bad teams; and the bad teams have failed to adequately surround their QB with talent. Manning, Delhomme, Fitzpatrick, Brady, it's all the same. It's based on the premise of different players under different circumstances would play differently - which (while true) completely ignores the fact that the QBs are indeed different themselves, that there are massive skill level differences between them, and these gaps in skill play a significant role in who wins and loses each Sunday in the NFL.

To sit there and suggest that entire careers worth of work can be disregarded as "meaning jack", tossed entirely out the window, because of your assumption (completely irreprovable by the way, short of building a time machine and calling out Aaron Rodgers name first in the draft in '05) is downright silly. In the effort to make a point, you have only exposed yourself as missing the most important pieces of this puzzle.

Let me put it this way. Consider trading Smith straight up for Aaron Rodgers. Either you would do this or you woudn't. If you would you are admitting Rodgers is a superior QB, debunking your argument. If you wouldn't, then you are exposing your own stubborn foolishness.

Rodgers has no online, no running game... now he's out with a concussion. Packers chances to make the playoffs are about the same as ours. Actually ours are better at this point.

Peyton loses several starters and has a down year...odds of making the playoffs same as ours.

YOU HAVE TO PUT QUALITY PLAYERS AROUND YOUR QB... point blank period. You can't put a v4 engine in a f150 and expect it to run.
Originally posted by mayo49:
Quote:
Kyle Orton and Jon Kitna are not better than Alex Smith by any shape of the imagination.


if we sign Kitna to this team that will be the biggest test of my resolve yet.
Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Quote:
Kyle Orton and Jon Kitna are not better than Alex Smith by any shape of the imagination.


if we sign Kitna to this team that will be the biggest test of my resolve yet.

Kyle Orton is definitely better than Smith. Not sure about Kitna though.
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by VA9erfan:
I can't wait for some here to get what they ask for.....A. Smith to be gone. Let's hear YOUR plan for next year if / after he is cut loose.

Honestly, do you really think it's going to be impossible to find someone who:

~can do better than 18-30 as a starter?
~has a career passer rating of 71?
~has a career completion % of 56.9?
~has thrown 52 picks to 49 TDs?
~has 85 turnovers in 51 games played
~has never won more than 7 games in a season as a starter?

Is this all Alex's fault? Of course not; he's had to deal with things that few rookie/young QBs have had to...and I actually like Alex as a person and as a man. But there comes a point where Smith fans have to look at the player and see him for what he's done. And what he's done is not pretty.

Findng someone to do better than Smith will not be as difficult as you (and many others) make it seem. It's time to move on (both for him, and for the team).

Who would you replace him with? Carson Palmer?! Kyle Orton?! Those are possibly the best QB's who will be avalible this off season. Bringing in a rookie would set us back 1-2 years while we get him ready. Troy Smith does not give us more than a chance to win than Alex does. Truth is that we better hope Alex resigns being as we have no shot at the ONLY guy in this years draft that is NFL ready in Andrew Luck.

~Carson Palmer, Kyle Orton, Kevin Kolb or even Jon Kitna to serve as a mentor/vet QB
~draft a rookie and groom him for a few years (or sooner)
~I actually think Troy Smith (with a full TC) would make a fine 2nd stringer behind a veteran like Palmer/Orton
~We're more than 1-2 years away from being legit....we need to stop kidding ourselves about our roster
~We're currently 5-8 in the worst division in football...come on, guys!!!!!!!!!

IMO, all of the guys above have better stats than Alex, and all would be an improvement as we groom the QB of the future from the 2011 draft.


Dude do you actually watch games or attended them live? Have you ever played football at least a high school level? I'm not being funny, these are serious questions. Because if you watch the games you can see this isn't a 5-8 team, we just had a rough start. The Cowboys were supposed to contend for the Super Bowl, would you say they are more than 1-2 years away from being a contender? We took the Saints to the max and basically had the game in Atlanta won and the loss was NOT Alex Smith's fault. Saints and Falcons are at the top of th NFC, as are the Eagles who we also had a battle with.

Carson Palmer is 2-10 with 21 tds, 18 ints with a 78.1 passer rating and this guy is a former Heisman winner who's team was expected to contended for the AFC title.

Alex Smith is on a 5-8 team with a solid chance to go to the post seson. With a quaterback rating better than Palmers and 12 tds despite missing half a game aganst poor Carolina, Denver, STL, and that Arizona game. His QB rating could be MUCH better had he played.

Kyle Orton and Jon Kitna are not better than Alex Smith by any shape of the imagination. For you to even suggest they would be even a temporary fix makes me question your football iq.

Question my football IQ all you want...that's part of being on a forum.

1.) I've been a season ticket holder since the late 70's, and played QB in high school

2.) The Cowboys won their division just last year so there's a foundation already built there regardless of how bad they're playing this season...not to mention, they have a pro-bowl QB who is out with an inury but will be back next year. We haven't had a winning season since 2002, still have major issues on both sides of the ball and don't have a clear answer at QB. I fail to see the comparison.

3.) Parcells said it best..."you are what your record says you are." We're a 5-8 team in the worst division in football; you have to face that reality. You can look at this team through rose-colored glasses if you wish (that's your choice), but when you have a horrible secondary, a mediocre/inconsistent pass rush, a young and shaky offensive line, instability at QB, talented by still maturing WRs and a head coach with a 1940's approach to football, you're going to be 5-8.

4.) Carson Palmer is having a bad year, there's no doubt about it. But I ask you to please name me ONE substantive career statistical category where Alex is better than Carson. You can't because there isn't one....not passer rating, not completion %, not TD-INT ratio, not even winning percentage as a starer (Palmer is 1 game over .500, and that's with the Bungles). However, it is your opinion that based on his current bad year, that Alex is better...fine, you're entitled to that opinion, given your obviously superior IQ.

5.) Practically speaking, you might be right about Orton and Kitna...though the funny thing is, both have better career stats than Alex does. So you're really basing your opinions on preference....and not necessarily anything quantitative. You just really believe Alex is better than the guys I mentioned...dude, you're totally allowed to have that opinion. Just know, there's almost NOTHING (other than your personal point of view) to actually base it on.
[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Dec 14, 2010 at 2:59 PM ]
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by VA9erfan:
I can't wait for some here to get what they ask for.....A. Smith to be gone. Let's hear YOUR plan for next year if / after he is cut loose.

Honestly, do you really think it's going to be impossible to find someone who:

~can do better than 18-30 as a starter?
~has a career passer rating of 71?
~has a career completion % of 56.9?
~has thrown 52 picks to 49 TDs?
~has 85 turnovers in 51 games played
~has never won more than 7 games in a season as a starter?

Is this all Alex's fault? Of course not; he's had to deal with things that few rookie/young QBs have had to...and I actually like Alex as a person and as a man. But there comes a point where Smith fans have to look at the player and see him for what he's done. And what he's done is not pretty.

Findng someone to do better than Smith will not be as difficult as you (and many others) make it seem. It's time to move on (both for him, and for the team).

*****POST OF THE YEAR!!!!*****

Originally posted by 24plus25er:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by VA9erfan:
I can't wait for some here to get what they ask for.....A. Smith to be gone. Let's hear YOUR plan for next year if / after he is cut loose.

Honestly, do you really think it's going to be impossible to find someone who:

~can do better than 18-30 as a starter?
~has a career passer rating of 71?
~has a career completion % of 56.9?
~has thrown 52 picks to 49 TDs?
~has 85 turnovers in 51 games played
~has never won more than 7 games in a season as a starter?

Is this all Alex's fault? Of course not; he's had to deal with things that few rookie/young QBs have had to...and I actually like Alex as a person and as a man. But there comes a point where Smith fans have to look at the player and see him for what he's done. And what he's done is not pretty.

Findng someone to do better than Smith will not be as difficult as you (and many others) make it seem. It's time to move on (both for him, and for the team).

Who would you replace him with? Carson Palmer?! Kyle Orton?! Those are possibly the best QB's who will be avalible this off season. Bringing in a rookie would set us back 1-2 years while we get him ready. Troy Smith does not give us more than a chance to win than Alex does. Truth is that we better hope Alex resigns being as we have no shot at the ONLY guy in this years draft that is NFL ready in Andrew Luck.

~Carson Palmer, Kyle Orton, Kevin Kolb or even Jon Kitna to serve as a mentor/vet QB
~draft a rookie and groom him for a few years (or sooner)
~I actually think Troy Smith (with a full TC) would make a fine 2nd stringer behind a veteran like Palmer/Orton
~We're more than 1-2 years away from being legit....we need to stop kidding ourselves about our roster
~We're currently 5-8 in the worst division in football...come on, guys!!!!!!!!!

IMO, all of the guys above have better stats than Alex, and all would be an improvement as we groom the QB of the future from the 2011 draft.


Dude do you actually watch games or attended them live? Have you ever played football at least a high school level? I'm not being funny, these are serious questions. Because if you watch the games you can see this isn't a 5-8 team, we just had a rough start. The Cowboys were supposed to contend for the Super Bowl, would you say they are more than 1-2 years away from being a contender? We took the Saints to the max and basically had the game in Atlanta won and the loss was NOT Alex Smith's fault. Saints and Falcons are at the top of th NFC, as are the Eagles who we also had a battle with.

Carson Palmer is 2-10 with 21 tds, 18 ints with a 78.1 passer rating and this guy is a former Heisman winner who's team was expected to contended for the AFC title.

Alex Smith is on a 5-8 team with a solid chance to go to the post seson. With a quaterback rating better than Palmers and 12 tds despite missing half a game aganst poor Carolina, Denver, STL, and that Arizona game. His QB rating could be MUCH better had he played.

Kyle Orton and Jon Kitna are not better than Alex Smith by any shape of the imagination. For you to even suggest they would be even a temporary fix makes me question your football iq.

Wow. You're insane if you think Orton wouldn't be an upgrade over Smith. Kitna is old and slow so by default I'll give you that. Palmer would EASILY be the best QB in the NFC West.

Look I root for Alex too but you're delusional if you think Smith is better than Orton and Palmer. They are proven winners. Maybe not elite but still good.
If Alex isn't a 49er next year, odds are I'll be cheering for him and not any specific team. I'll come back to the 49ers, but it will be awhile. And it isn't that I like Alex Smith's game a lot, I just find him to be a refreshing story in the world of professional sports. He has a good attitude, he works, hard, he is charitable, ...and he was willing to take a pay cut.

GO ALEX!
Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:
If Alex isn't a 49er next year, odds are I'll be cheering for him and not any specific team. I'll come back to the 49ers, but it will be awhile. And it isn't that I like Alex Smith's game a lot, I just find him to be a refreshing story in the world of professional sports. He has a good attitude, he works, hard, he is charitable, ...and he was willing to take a pay cut.

GO ALEX!

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:
If Alex isn't a 49er next year, odds are I'll be cheering for him and not any specific team. I'll come back to the 49ers, but it will be awhile. And it isn't that I like Alex Smith's game a lot, I just find him to be a refreshing story in the world of professional sports. He has a good attitude, he works, hard, he is charitable, ...and he was willing to take a pay cut.

GO ALEX!


OMFG you can't be serious. WTF has Alex Smith actually done around here??

I think this post calls for this:



Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by VA9erfan:
I can't wait for some here to get what they ask for.....A. Smith to be gone. Let's hear YOUR plan for next year if / after he is cut loose.

Honestly, do you really think it's going to be impossible to find someone who:

~can do better than 18-30 as a starter?
~has a career passer rating of 71?
~has a career completion % of 56.9?
~has thrown 52 picks to 49 TDs?
~has 85 turnovers in 51 games played
~has never won more than 7 games in a season as a starter?

Is this all Alex's fault? Of course not; he's had to deal with things that few rookie/young QBs have had to...and I actually like Alex as a person and as a man. But there comes a point where Smith fans have to look at the player and see him for what he's done. And what he's done is not pretty.

Findng someone to do better than Smith will not be as difficult as you (and many others) make it seem. It's time to move on (both for him, and for the team).

Who would you replace him with? Carson Palmer?! Kyle Orton?! Those are possibly the best QB's who will be avalible this off season. Bringing in a rookie would set us back 1-2 years while we get him ready. Troy Smith does not give us more than a chance to win than Alex does. Truth is that we better hope Alex resigns being as we have no shot at the ONLY guy in this years draft that is NFL ready in Andrew Luck.

~Carson Palmer, Kyle Orton, Kevin Kolb or even Jon Kitna to serve as a mentor/vet QB
~draft a rookie and groom him for a few years (or sooner)
~I actually think Troy Smith (with a full TC) would make a fine 2nd stringer behind a veteran like Palmer/Orton
~We're more than 1-2 years away from being legit....we need to stop kidding ourselves about our roster
~We're currently 5-8 in the worst division in football...come on, guys!!!!!!!!!

IMO, all of the guys above have better stats than Alex, and all would be an improvement as we groom the QB of the future from the 2011 draft.


Dude do you actually watch games or attended them live? Have you ever played football at least a high school level? I'm not being funny, these are serious questions. Because if you watch the games you can see this isn't a 5-8 team, we just had a rough start. The Cowboys were supposed to contend for the Super Bowl, would you say they are more than 1-2 years away from being a contender? We took the Saints to the max and basically had the game in Atlanta won and the loss was NOT Alex Smith's fault. Saints and Falcons are at the top of th NFC, as are the Eagles who we also had a battle with.

Carson Palmer is 2-10 with 21 tds, 18 ints with a 78.1 passer rating and this guy is a former Heisman winner who's team was expected to contended for the AFC title.

Alex Smith is on a 5-8 team with a solid chance to go to the post seson. With a quaterback rating better than Palmers and 12 tds despite missing half a game aganst poor Carolina, Denver, STL, and that Arizona game. His QB rating could be MUCH better had he played.

Kyle Orton and Jon Kitna are not better than Alex Smith by any shape of the imagination. For you to even suggest they would be even a temporary fix makes me question your football iq.

Question my football IQ all you want...that's part of being on a forum.

1.) I've been a season ticket holder since the late 70's, and played QB in high school

2.) The Cowboys won their division just last year so there's a foundation already built there regardless of how bad they're playing this season...not to mention, they have a pro-bowl QB who is out with an inury but will be back next year. We haven't had a winning season since 2002, still have major issues on both sides of the ball and don't have a clear answer at QB. I fail to see the comparison.

3.) Parcells said it best..."you are what your record says you are." We're a 5-8 team in the worst division in football; you have to face that reality. You can look at this team through rose-colored glasses if you wish (that's your choice), but when you have a horrible secondary, a mediocre/inconsistent pass rush, a young and shaky offensive line, instability at QB, talented by still maturing WRs and a head coach with a 1940's approach to football, you're going to be 5-8.

4.) Carson Palmer is having a bad year, there's no doubt about it. But I ask you to please name me ONE substantive career statistical category where Alex is better than Carson. You can't because there isn't one....not passer rating, not completion %, not TD-INT ratio, not even winning percentage as a starer (Palmer is 1 game over .500, and that's with the Bungles). However, it is your opinion that based on his current bad year, that Alex is better...fine, you're entitled to that opinion, given your obviously superior IQ.

5.) Practically speaking, you might be right about Orton and Kitna...though the funny thing is, both have better career stats than Alex does. So you're really basing your opinions on preference....and not necessarily anything quantitative. You just really believe Alex is better than the guys I mentioned...dude, you're totally allowed to have that opinion. Just know, there's almost NOTHING (other than your personal point of view) to actually base it on.

I dont know the numbers, but i'm pretty sure Carson has more pick-6s than Alex.
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Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:
If Alex isn't a 49er next year, odds are I'll be cheering for him and not any specific team. I'll come back to the 49ers, but it will be awhile. And it isn't that I like Alex Smith's game a lot, I just find him to be a refreshing story in the world of professional sports. He has a good attitude, he works, hard, he is charitable, ...and he was willing to take a pay cut.

GO ALEX!

He's good as your daughters boy friend, but not as your franchise QB.
Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:
If Alex isn't a 49er next year, odds are I'll be cheering for him and not any specific team. I'll come back to the 49ers, but it will be awhile. And it isn't that I like Alex Smith's game a lot, I just find him to be a refreshing story in the world of professional sports. He has a good attitude, he works, hard, he is charitable, ...and he was willing to take a pay cut.

GO ALEX!

LMAO. Exactly why none of your Smith homer posts can be taken seriously.
It's like having a very young and talented Sales Director take over a struggling company. You have tons of hope for the new guy that he can come in, turn things around and build a winning sales organization. However, over a period of 6 years, due to certain circumstances (some within his control, but many being organizational issues), the sales team fails to produce results. The company overall is struggling to maintain profitability and is running out of patience with the sales organization and their inability to consistently produce the kinds of revenue streams required. Effort isn't the question, but ability and results are.

In the real world, as unfair as it may seem, this Sales Director gets s**t-canned...not because he sucks (maybe he does, maybe he doesn't), but MOSTLY because the expectations just weren't meant regardless of fault. The ties are severed and a search begins to inject new life, new ideas, new talent and a new mentality to the sales organization. The new guy may or may not be better...that remains to be seen. But there comes a point where you have to move on, bring someone else in and give him a shot.

That's life, Alex fans.
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:
If Alex isn't a 49er next year, odds are I'll be cheering for him and not any specific team. I'll come back to the 49ers, but it will be awhile. And it isn't that I like Alex Smith's game a lot, I just find him to be a refreshing story in the world of professional sports. He has a good attitude, he works, hard, he is charitable, ...and he was willing to take a pay cut.

GO ALEX!

He's good as your daughters boy friend, but not as your franchise QB.

Good as Kilgore Trout's boyfriend too! Haha j/k.
Originally posted by rlott42:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by VA9erfan:
I can't wait for some here to get what they ask for.....A. Smith to be gone. Let's hear YOUR plan for next year if / after he is cut loose.

Honestly, do you really think it's going to be impossible to find someone who:

~can do better than 18-30 as a starter?
~has a career passer rating of 71?
~has a career completion % of 56.9?
~has thrown 52 picks to 49 TDs?
~has 85 turnovers in 51 games played
~has never won more than 7 games in a season as a starter?

Is this all Alex's fault? Of course not; he's had to deal with things that few rookie/young QBs have had to...and I actually like Alex as a person and as a man. But there comes a point where Smith fans have to look at the player and see him for what he's done. And what he's done is not pretty.

Findng someone to do better than Smith will not be as difficult as you (and many others) make it seem. It's time to move on (both for him, and for the team).

Who would you replace him with? Carson Palmer?! Kyle Orton?! Those are possibly the best QB's who will be avalible this off season. Bringing in a rookie would set us back 1-2 years while we get him ready. Troy Smith does not give us more than a chance to win than Alex does. Truth is that we better hope Alex resigns being as we have no shot at the ONLY guy in this years draft that is NFL ready in Andrew Luck.

~Carson Palmer, Kyle Orton, Kevin Kolb or even Jon Kitna to serve as a mentor/vet QB
~draft a rookie and groom him for a few years (or sooner)
~I actually think Troy Smith (with a full TC) would make a fine 2nd stringer behind a veteran like Palmer/Orton
~We're more than 1-2 years away from being legit....we need to stop kidding ourselves about our roster
~We're currently 5-8 in the worst division in football...come on, guys!!!!!!!!!

IMO, all of the guys above have better stats than Alex, and all would be an improvement as we groom the QB of the future from the 2011 draft.


Dude do you actually watch games or attended them live? Have you ever played football at least a high school level? I'm not being funny, these are serious questions. Because if you watch the games you can see this isn't a 5-8 team, we just had a rough start. The Cowboys were supposed to contend for the Super Bowl, would you say they are more than 1-2 years away from being a contender? We took the Saints to the max and basically had the game in Atlanta won and the loss was NOT Alex Smith's fault. Saints and Falcons are at the top of th NFC, as are the Eagles who we also had a battle with.

Carson Palmer is 2-10 with 21 tds, 18 ints with a 78.1 passer rating and this guy is a former Heisman winner who's team was expected to contended for the AFC title.

Alex Smith is on a 5-8 team with a solid chance to go to the post seson. With a quaterback rating better than Palmers and 12 tds despite missing half a game aganst poor Carolina, Denver, STL, and that Arizona game. His QB rating could be MUCH better had he played.

Kyle Orton and Jon Kitna are not better than Alex Smith by any shape of the imagination. For you to even suggest they would be even a temporary fix makes me question your football iq.

Question my football IQ all you want...that's part of being on a forum.

1.) I've been a season ticket holder since the late 70's, and played QB in high school

2.) The Cowboys won their division just last year so there's a foundation already built there regardless of how bad they're playing this season...not to mention, they have a pro-bowl QB who is out with an inury but will be back next year. We haven't had a winning season since 2002, still have major issues on both sides of the ball and don't have a clear answer at QB. I fail to see the comparison.

3.) Parcells said it best..."you are what your record says you are." We're a 5-8 team in the worst division in football; you have to face that reality. You can look at this team through rose-colored glasses if you wish (that's your choice), but when you have a horrible secondary, a mediocre/inconsistent pass rush, a young and shaky offensive line, instability at QB, talented by still maturing WRs and a head coach with a 1940's approach to football, you're going to be 5-8.

4.) Carson Palmer is having a bad year, there's no doubt about it. But I ask you to please name me ONE substantive career statistical category where Alex is better than Carson. You can't because there isn't one....not passer rating, not completion %, not TD-INT ratio, not even winning percentage as a starer (Palmer is 1 game over .500, and that's with the Bungles). However, it is your opinion that based on his current bad year, that Alex is better...fine, you're entitled to that opinion, given your obviously superior IQ.

5.) Practically speaking, you might be right about Orton and Kitna...though the funny thing is, both have better career stats than Alex does. So you're really basing your opinions on preference....and not necessarily anything quantitative. You just really believe Alex is better than the guys I mentioned...dude, you're totally allowed to have that opinion. Just know, there's almost NOTHING (other than your personal point of view) to actually base it on.

I dont know the numbers, but i'm pretty sure Carson has more pick-6s than Alex.

Well, that settles it. Alex is better!

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