Kawakami: Alex Smith is Good Just In Time to Play Somewhere Else

Originally posted by dobo:
I'm glad we finally have an Alex Smith thread.

lol

I got my celebration video ready for the departure of Alex and his head coach... Just 3 weeks untill I can play it... I'm counting the days...

P.S. If anyone wondering...I also got a song for his fans as well... You might have heard it... "It the road Jack.."

Originally posted by JBatta49erfansince81:
Name another team that has kept a starting QB after 5 years of never having a winning record.

Enough is enough. Time to move on.

Since you asked I'll give you one from the 49ers past - John Brodie. In fact Alex reminds me a lot of Brodie. He played on terrible teams, had a terrible record and terrible statistics. He was taken with the 3rd overall pick out of Stanford in 1957. The fans hated him for years. He was scape-goated much the way Alex has been. Finally, in his 14th year he led the 49ers to the playoffs in 1970 under Mike Nolan's father. The 49ers were in the playoffs in '70, '71, and 72 and lost to the Dallas Cowboys all three years. Brodie ended up being a two time Pro Bowler and one time first team All Pro and he is actually quite beloved by long-time Niner fans.

Not making excuses for Alex but for Brodie it turned out he wasn''t the problem. He was actually very good. It wasn't his fault the team was terrible for a decade and a half. The last five years have not been completely Alex's fault either. Unfortunately, I think I would have to look at the Yorks, specifically John York. Alex is a good kid who has worked very hard and tried his best under very difficult circumstances (to say the least). Maybe he doesn't have it - I don't know - but just be a little bit careful what you wish for.

Originally posted by VA9erfan:
I can't wait for some here to get what they ask for.....A. Smith to be gone. Let's hear YOUR plan for next year if / after he is cut loose.

Honestly, do you really think it's going to be impossible to find someone who:

~can do better than 18-30 as a starter?
~has a career passer rating of 71?
~has a career completion % of 56.9?
~has thrown 52 picks to 49 TDs?
~has 85 turnovers in 51 games played
~has never won more than 7 games in a season as a starter?

Is this all Alex's fault? Of course not; he's had to deal with things that few rookie/young QBs have had to...and I actually like Alex as a person and as a man. But there comes a point where Smith fans have to look at the player and see him for what he's done. And what he's done is not pretty.

Findng someone to do better than Smith will not be as difficult as you (and many others) make it seem. It's time to move on (both for him, and for the team).

Yeah, Alex isn't going to magically become more accurate or be able to read coverages better. He is what he is. A backup that can win you a game here and there. And, I rather he does it there.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by VA9erfan:
I can't wait for some here to get what they ask for.....A. Smith to be gone. Let's hear YOUR plan for next year if / after he is cut loose.

Honestly, do you really think it's going to be impossible to find someone who:

~can do better than 18-30 as a starter?
~has a career passer rating of 71?
~has a career completion % of 56.9?
~has thrown 52 picks to 49 TDs?
~has 85 turnovers in 51 games played
~has never won more than 7 games in a season as a starter?

Is this all Alex's fault? Of course not; he's had to deal with things that few rookie/young QBs have had to...and I actually like Alex as a person and as a man. But there comes a point where Smith fans have to look at the player and see him for what he's done. And what he's done is not pretty.

Findng someone to do better than Smith will not be as difficult as you (and many others) make it seem. It's time to move on (both for him, and for the team).

All those numbers don't mean jack, because if you put Aaron Rodgers in the same position as Alex his numbers would be just as bad. Time has proven that you must surround QB with the weapons to win. We have had horrible drafts over the past 10 years (outside of last year), and put Alex amongst that mediorce mess and you get mediorce play. Alex deserves another year or two with Mike Johnson at OC before we pull the trigger. There is no possible way we can put together any clear cut combo of QB and OC that is hands down better.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by VA9erfan:
I can't wait for some here to get what they ask for.....A. Smith to be gone. Let's hear YOUR plan for next year if / after he is cut loose.

Honestly, do you really think it's going to be impossible to find someone who:

~can do better than 18-30 as a starter?
~has a career passer rating of 71?
~has a career completion % of 56.9?
~has thrown 52 picks to 49 TDs?
~has 85 turnovers in 51 games played
~has never won more than 7 games in a season as a starter?

Is this all Alex's fault? Of course not; he's had to deal with things that few rookie/young QBs have had to...and I actually like Alex as a person and as a man. But there comes a point where Smith fans have to look at the player and see him for what he's done. And what he's done is not pretty.

Findng someone to do better than Smith will not be as difficult as you (and many others) make it seem. It's time to move on (both for him, and for the team).

Encore!

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by VA9erfan:
I can't wait for some here to get what they ask for.....A. Smith to be gone. Let's hear YOUR plan for next year if / after he is cut loose.

Honestly, do you really think it's going to be impossible to find someone who:

~can do better than 18-30 as a starter?
~has a career passer rating of 71?
~has a career completion % of 56.9?
~has thrown 52 picks to 49 TDs?
~has 85 turnovers in 51 games played
~has never won more than 7 games in a season as a starter?

Is this all Alex's fault? Of course not; he's had to deal with things that few rookie/young QBs have had to...and I actually like Alex as a person and as a man. But there comes a point where Smith fans have to look at the player and see him for what he's done. And what he's done is not pretty.

Findng someone to do better than Smith will not be as difficult as you (and many others) make it seem. It's time to move on (both for him, and for the team).

All those numbers don't mean jack, because if you put Aaron Rodgers in the same position as Alex his numbers would be just as bad. Time has proven that you must surround QB with the weapons to win. We have had horrible drafts over the past 10 years (outside of last year), and put Alex amongst that mediorce mess and you get mediorce play. Alex deserves another year or two with Mike Johnson at OC before we pull the trigger. There is no possible way we can put together any clear cut combo of QB and OC that is hands down better.

You're wrong. The numbers do mean something. We've had guys come in off the street (Shaun Hill, Troy Smith) and put up overall equal or even better numbers and provide more wins as a starter than Alex, under the same crappy circumstances. And truthfully, neither of those guys are better QBs than Alex. Yes, I said it. Troy and Shaun are worse QBs than Alex (in terms of talent/skills), yet they STILL managed to have the same or even more success (overall) than Alex has...and they were found off the scrap heap.

Btw, you DON'T KNOW what would happen if you put Aaron Rodgers in the same position. They're different people with different mental/physical/QB skills. You can only assume what would happen...but we don't have to assume. We've already seen worse QBs than Alex come in and do roughly the same or better in almost every statistical way we can measure...and Alex was the top player drafted in 2005!!!!

Point being, don't fear bringing someone else in besides Alex....the bar isn't really that high.

Originally posted by fakers23:
I got my celebration video ready for the departure of Alex and his head coach... Just 3 weeks untill I can play it... I'm counting the days...

P.S. If anyone wondering...I also got a song for his fans as well... You might have heard it... "It the road Jack.."

im sure we all care

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by VA9erfan:
I can't wait for some here to get what they ask for.....A. Smith to be gone. Let's hear YOUR plan for next year if / after he is cut loose.

Honestly, do you really think it's going to be impossible to find someone who:

~can do better than 18-30 as a starter?
~has a career passer rating of 71?
~has a career completion % of 56.9?
~has thrown 52 picks to 49 TDs?
~has 85 turnovers in 51 games played
~has never won more than 7 games in a season as a starter?

Is this all Alex's fault? Of course not; he's had to deal with things that few rookie/young QBs have had to...and I actually like Alex as a person and as a man. But there comes a point where Smith fans have to look at the player and see him for what he's done. And what he's done is not pretty.

Findng someone to do better than Smith will not be as difficult as you (and many others) make it seem. It's time to move on (both for him, and for the team).

Who would you replace him with? Carson Palmer?! Kyle Orton?! Those are possibly the best QB's who will be avalible this off season. Bringing in a rookie would set us back 1-2 years while we get him ready. Troy Smith does not give us more than a chance to win than Alex does. Truth is that we better hope Alex resigns being as we have no shot at the ONLY guy in this years draft that is NFL ready in Andrew Luck.

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by VA9erfan:
I can't wait for some here to get what they ask for.....A. Smith to be gone. Let's hear YOUR plan for next year if / after he is cut loose.

Honestly, do you really think it's going to be impossible to find someone who:

~can do better than 18-30 as a starter?
~has a career passer rating of 71?
~has a career completion % of 56.9?
~has thrown 52 picks to 49 TDs?
~has 85 turnovers in 51 games played
~has never won more than 7 games in a season as a starter?

Is this all Alex's fault? Of course not; he's had to deal with things that few rookie/young QBs have had to...and I actually like Alex as a person and as a man. But there comes a point where Smith fans have to look at the player and see him for what he's done. And what he's done is not pretty.

Findng someone to do better than Smith will not be as difficult as you (and many others) make it seem. It's time to move on (both for him, and for the team).

Who would you replace him with? Carson Palmer?! Kyle Orton?! Those are possibly the best QB's who will be avalible this off season. Bringing in a rookie would set us back 1-2 years while we get him ready. Troy Smith does not give us more than a chance to win than Alex does. Truth is that we better hope Alex resigns being as we have no shot at the ONLY guy in this years draft that is NFL ready in Andrew Luck.

~Carson Palmer, Kyle Orton, Kevin Kolb or even Jon Kitna to serve as a mentor/vet QB
~draft a rookie and groom him for a few years (or sooner)
~I actually think Troy Smith (with a full TC) would make a fine 2nd stringer behind a veteran like Palmer/Orton
~We're more than 1-2 years away from being legit....we need to stop kidding ourselves about our roster
~We're currently 5-8 in the worst division in football...come on, guys!!!!!!!!!

IMO, all of the guys above have better stats than Alex, and all would be an improvement as we groom the QB of the future from the 2011 draft.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by VA9erfan:
I can't wait for some here to get what they ask for.....A. Smith to be gone. Let's hear YOUR plan for next year if / after he is cut loose.

Honestly, do you really think it's going to be impossible to find someone who:

~can do better than 18-30 as a starter?
~has a career passer rating of 71?
~has a career completion % of 56.9?
~has thrown 52 picks to 49 TDs?
~has 85 turnovers in 51 games played
~has never won more than 7 games in a season as a starter?

Is this all Alex's fault? Of course not; he's had to deal with things that few rookie/young QBs have had to...and I actually like Alex as a person and as a man. But there comes a point where Smith fans have to look at the player and see him for what he's done. And what he's done is not pretty.

Findng someone to do better than Smith will not be as difficult as you (and many others) make it seem. It's time to move on (both for him, and for the team).

Who would you replace him with? Carson Palmer?! Kyle Orton?! Those are possibly the best QB's who will be avalible this off season. Bringing in a rookie would set us back 1-2 years while we get him ready. Troy Smith does not give us more than a chance to win than Alex does. Truth is that we better hope Alex resigns being as we have no shot at the ONLY guy in this years draft that is NFL ready in Andrew Luck.

~Carson Palmer, Kyle Orton, Kevin Kolb or even Jon Kitna to serve as a mentor/vet QB
~draft a rookie and groom him for a few years (or sooner)
~I actually think Troy Smith (with a full TC) would make a fine 2nd stringer behind a veteran like Palmer/Orton
~We're more than 1-2 years away from being legit....we need to stop kidding ourselves about our roster
~We're currently 5-8 in the worst division in football...come on, guys!!!!!!!!!

IMO, all of the guys above have better stats than Alex, and all would be an improvement as we groom the QB of the future from the 2011 draft.

Dude do you actually watch games or attended them live? Have you ever played football at least a high school level? I'm not being funny, these are serious questions. Because if you watch the games you can see this isn't a 5-8 team, we just had a rough start. The Cowboys were supposed to contend for the Super Bowl, would you say they are more than 1-2 years away from being a contender? We took the Saints to the max and basically had the game in Atlanta won and the loss was NOT Alex Smith's fault. Saints and Falcons are at the top of th NFC, as are the Eagles who we also had a battle with.

Carson Palmer is 2-10 with 21 tds, 18 ints with a 78.1 passer rating and this guy is a former Heisman winner who's team was expected to contended for the AFC title.

Alex Smith is on a 5-8 team with a solid chance to go to the post seson. With a quaterback rating better than Palmers and 12 tds despite missing half a game aganst poor Carolina, Denver, STL, and that Arizona game. His QB rating could be MUCH better had he played.

Kyle Orton and Jon Kitna are not better than Alex Smith by any shape of the imagination. For you to even suggest they would be even a temporary fix makes me question your football iq.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by VA9erfan:
I can't wait for some here to get what they ask for.....A. Smith to be gone. Let's hear YOUR plan for next year if / after he is cut loose.

Honestly, do you really think it's going to be impossible to find someone who:

~can do better than 18-30 as a starter?
~has a career passer rating of 71?
~has a career completion % of 56.9?
~has thrown 52 picks to 49 TDs?
~has 85 turnovers in 51 games played
~has never won more than 7 games in a season as a starter?

Is this all Alex's fault? Of course not; he's had to deal with things that few rookie/young QBs have had to...and I actually like Alex as a person and as a man. But there comes a point where Smith fans have to look at the player and see him for what he's done. And what he's done is not pretty.

Findng someone to do better than Smith will not be as difficult as you (and many others) make it seem. It's time to move on (both for him, and for the team).

Who would you replace him with? Carson Palmer?! Kyle Orton?! Those are possibly the best QB's who will be avalible this off season. Bringing in a rookie would set us back 1-2 years while we get him ready. Troy Smith does not give us more than a chance to win than Alex does. Truth is that we better hope Alex resigns being as we have no shot at the ONLY guy in this years draft that is NFL ready in Andrew Luck.

~Carson Palmer, Kyle Orton, Kevin Kolb or even Jon Kitna to serve as a mentor/vet QB
~draft a rookie and groom him for a few years (or sooner)
~I actually think Troy Smith (with a full TC) would make a fine 2nd stringer behind a veteran like Palmer/Orton
~We're more than 1-2 years away from being legit....we need to stop kidding ourselves about our roster
~We're currently 5-8 in the worst division in football...come on, guys!!!!!!!!!

IMO, all of the guys above have better stats than Alex, and all would be an improvement as we groom the QB of the future from the 2011 draft.

The 49ers need better QB play for sure, and Alex has had some encouraging games since MJ took over.

That having been said, there were a LOT of experts that predicted the 49ers might go 2-4 in those first 6 games because of the quality of the competition and the fact that they were starting two rookies in the OL. Of course Rachal's continued lack of development made all that even worse.

I do agree with you that many believe the talent level is better than it actually is. That is why I am hoping that Alex can just light it up these last four games to prevent the team having to use the #1 pick for a QB next spring. They desperately need a stud pass rusher and they are not as likely to get one in the second round as the would sitting in the top 10 or 12.

My hope is that Alex continues to play as he has the past 5 games and they can save the QB pick for at least the 2nd if not the 3rd round. Of course all that is predicated on whether or not Alex is willing to stay here even if he does play well from here on in.

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by VA9erfan:
I can't wait for some here to get what they ask for.....A. Smith to be gone. Let's hear YOUR plan for next year if / after he is cut loose.

Honestly, do you really think it's going to be impossible to find someone who:

~can do better than 18-30 as a starter?
~has a career passer rating of 71?
~has a career completion % of 56.9?
~has thrown 52 picks to 49 TDs?
~has 85 turnovers in 51 games played
~has never won more than 7 games in a season as a starter?

Is this all Alex's fault? Of course not; he's had to deal with things that few rookie/young QBs have had to...and I actually like Alex as a person and as a man. But there comes a point where Smith fans have to look at the player and see him for what he's done. And what he's done is not pretty.

Findng someone to do better than Smith will not be as difficult as you (and many others) make it seem. It's time to move on (both for him, and for the team).

All those numbers don't mean jack, because if you put Aaron Rodgers in the same position as Alex his numbers would be just as bad. Time has proven that you must surround QB with the weapons to win. We have had horrible drafts over the past 10 years (outside of last year), and put Alex amongst that mediorce mess and you get mediorce play. Alex deserves another year or two with Mike Johnson at OC before we pull the trigger. There is no possible way we can put together any clear cut combo of QB and OC that is hands down better.

This is the most criminal, the worst, of all the Alexcuses. Your logic basically goes like this... give a QB good weapons and he'll play well... give him nothing and he'll be nothing...

Where it all breaks down is when you realise that according to your logic QB play is dictated entirely by the supporting cast. QBs are basically all the same.. there's no such thing as a good QB or bad QB there are only good teams and bad teams; and the bad teams have failed to adequately surround their QB with talent. Manning, Delhomme, Fitzpatrick, Brady, it's all the same. It's based on the premise of different players under different circumstances would play differently - which (while true) completely ignores the fact that the QBs are indeed different themselves, that there are massive skill level differences between them, and these gaps in skill play a significant role in who wins and loses each Sunday in the NFL.

To sit there and suggest that entire careers worth of work can be disregarded as "meaning jack", tossed entirely out the window, because of your assumption (completely irreprovable by the way, short of building a time machine and calling out Aaron Rodgers name first in the draft in '05) is downright silly. In the effort to make a point, you have only exposed yourself as missing the most important pieces of this puzzle.

Let me put it this way. Consider trading Smith straight up for Aaron Rodgers. Either you would do this or you woudn't. If you would you are admitting Rodgers is a superior QB, debunking your argument. If you wouldn't, then you are exposing your own stubborn foolishness.

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Kyle Orton and Jon Kitna are not better than Alex Smith by any shape of the imagination.