Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by backontop:
Troy has only looked good against 1 team and 1 team only and that was the Rams. He struggled against the Broncos and Cards and was shut out against the Bucs.
Who cares? He's 3-1 as a starter of a bad team that was 1-6 before he took over, and this without the benefit of training camp and while riding the bench as the 3rd stringer for the first 2 months (meaning no reps at all).
Seriously man, what exactly do you expect?
The second half of the season was the easiest stretch of the schedule. He SHOULD be 3-1 as a starter. IMHO the Bucs are a very average team that can only beat below .500 teams. They pretty much embarrassed us with Troy Smith as the QB. If Troy Smith was the QB against NO, PHL or even ATL we would have 3 or 4 shutouts.
You're delusional. First, you don't know what Troy would've done against NO, PHIL or ATL...nobody does, so to think that you do only makes you look foolish. Secondly, you have no sense of context. The team was 1-6 and had recently lost to the worst team in the league (CAR) who had ZERO wins before we came to town. THAT was supposed to be the easiest game on the schedule...but that's not how the NFL works.
It's easy for you to just write, "he should be 3-1." But I don't think you realize how mediocre this team is, and how limited the offense is both in philosophy and in its implementation (Troy is using a very small part of the playbook). Combine that with the overall inexperience of Troy and the wildly inconsistent play of the o-line, and you're dealing with an offense that is literally handicapped.
But hey, if that's what you believe...
I'm delusional because I actually see what is going on instead of swinging from Troy Smith's nutsack like he is the second coming of Joe Montana? 
Sorry but Troy Smith is not playing very well at all. He has only played one good game and that was against the Rams. While yes I do not know what Troy Smith would have done against NO, PHL or ATL I can make an educated guess based on what he did against Tampa Bay. While I admit he might not have been shut out but there would be no way in hell we won any of those games. But hey if you want to keep claiming Troy Smith as the savior of the franchise be my guest.
Look up the term "straw man." You're saying stupid s**t like "second coming," "Joe Montana" and "savior of the franchise," when I've never said anything close to that. If you want to reply to me, keep it factual, especially if you're going to say that you're "seeing what's going on."
You're intelligence is severely lacking if you think that stating facts (Troy is 3-1 as a starter) is the equivalent of swinging from his nutsack.
So, if you're going to reply to me, stick the facts. I never said Troy was "the second coming" or Joe Montana or that he's the savior of the franchise" or even that he is playing well. I never said anything close to that, but you're so intent on winning some stupid internet argument that you'll resort to making s**t up.
Go back and read my posts, then reply with something smart if you want to continue.
Did I ever say that you used those terms? Make assumptions much? If you want to assume that my one post revolves around you then you are the one that is lacking in the intelligence department (nice personal attack by the way! Next time attack the post not the poster) Once again Troy SHOULD BE 3-1 as the starter. He played the Rams, Cards and Broncos. Even Jim Drukenmiller could have beat those teams. For YOU to assume that just because Troy Smith is 3-1 as a starter actually means something is pretty hilarious. Once again look at the teams that he played.
You want facts then lets give you some facts. Alex Smith faced teams that were and are over .500. Actually 4 of the 6 teams that Alex Smith faced are over .500 with the only loss to a sub .500 team being the team beating from Seattle. Troy Smith on the other hand, 3 of the 4 teams he has played have been under .500 with the only team above .500 handing us a shut out AT HOME! Oh and this team that beat us at home was the Tampa Bay Buccaneers who haven't beat a team that is .500 or above yet this season.
Would Alex Smith be 3-1 if he started the games instead of Troy Smith? I don't know, but I am pretty confident that if Alex were still the starter than we would have beaten Carolina, Denver, St. Louis and AZ. As for Tampa I honestly don't have a clue. So I guess the fact that we are 1 game behind the Rams can be blamed on Singletary for putting in lame David Carr.
Yes, this is what you said:
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But hey if you want to keep claiming Troy Smith as the savior of the franchise be my guest.
We can't have a reasonable discussion if you can't keep your story straight. You accuse me of claiming something that I never claimed, then say you never said it...even though it's right there in your post. I never, ever in a million years would claim "Troy Smith as the savior of the franchise," as you accuse me of claiming. That's stupid. I don't believe that for a second, so I wouldn't write it.
My ONLY point was that Troy is 3-1 as a starter, and that is a fact. You say he SHOULD be 3-1 based on the competition he's faced. I think you're being unrealistic, since I don't think we're a very good team overall, and have struggled against both good and bad teams all year long. We're not a good team, yet this former 5th round pick who was picked up off the scrap heap, with no training camp and little knowledge of the full playbook and ZERO practice time with the first-string offense before his first start, has come in and guided this team to a 3-1 record. Those are all facts.
I never made this about Alex Smith, never used his name or compared him to Troy in terms of who they should or should not have beaten. We can all have our educated guesses as to what would've happened if Alex started the last 4 games, or if Troy started the entire season, or if (as you say) Drukenmiller would've won 3 out of the last 4 games as Troy has done.
Speculate all you want, that's of no concern to me. My only point has been, this whole time, that Troy Smith is 3-1 as a starter and regardless of the teams he's faced or how well (or not) he's played, he's managed to lead his team to victory in 3 out of the 4 games he's started.
That doesn't mean he's the next Joe Montana, or the savior of the franchise or even that he's a good QB. It just means he's found a way to win these games and at the end of the day, those are the only facts that count in the NFL (wins/losses).
[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Nov 30, 2010 at 10:31:26 ]
