Originally posted by Joecool:
Why don't we run more split backs? Won't that help better with the Tackles?
The spread helps with the tackles. Easier to see the blitz and easier to get the ball out quick on the hots.
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Why don't we run more split backs? Won't that help better with the Tackles?
Originally posted by Schulzy:Originally posted by Joecool:
Why don't we run more split backs? Won't that help better with the Tackles?
The spread helps with the tackles. Easier to see the blitz and easier to get the ball out quick on the hots.
Originally posted by AKfanster:
New starting O-line; Sims, Iupati, Baas, Snyder, Staley
or Sims, Heitmann, Bass, Snyder, Staley
or Sims, Baas, Heimann, Snyder, Staley
or Staley, Iupati, Baas, Heitmann, Davis
As I said earlier, the team has several options on the line. There is no excuse for not making a change if the line continues their horrible play.
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
We are talking tackles here right, because we all know Rachel is a hole. I have been saying this, and now Singletary confirms it n his monday presser. Our tackles are playing with good fundamentals, it is the play design.
In my opinion, the splits (gaps) are too narrow, this give speed rushers an advantage. Our offensive formations are so densely packed the team looks constipated. Even when we go "spread" our O-line is packed like sardines in a bunch. This tight formation gives D-ends the luxury of of setting a tight edge in the run game, and gives a shorter path to the quarterback.
Wider splits, would help in the outside run game giving our wide bodies more room to drop a foot and pull. The downside is tighter splits put more pressure on backs and guards in terms of picking up delay blitzes, and stunts. Gore and Norris are both good blockers, and Byum is as well, so I think we could handle the interior pressure. We may have to replace Rachel with Snyder or even a plastic cone! The give up on holding Gore in the backfield for a few extra seconds is of course Alex would have to make plays to the wide receivers, taking away his quick check downs, but I think that can be a plus, with a guy like Vernon how many "safety valves" do you really need?
One final note, and I hate to say it because it is trend in blocking I personally don't like, but thats because I old school. The tackles on most NFL teams no longer get in a three point stance on passing downs, the are "winged" in a two point stance almost like a punt formation. The Pat's and the Colts are great examples, you always can tell pass or run when you watch them. Some times they are so strongly "Winged" it could be called "to many men in the backfield". (if you want to know the crown of the linemen's helmet MUST break an imaginary line created by the belt of the center to be on the line of scrimmage) Many tackles are so far back when they stand up in the two point stance they are not legal, we should employ more of this, if the NFL is not enforcing the rules, we should take advantage.
So there it is in a nut shell, add 3-6 inches to the splits, set protection to help the interior with backs and ends, allowing the tackles to be in a better position to "ride the speed rushers outside, cheat the tackles in a two point stance, and bingo fixed!
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:In reviewing the game, Rachal actually played well enough. He still isn't the player everyone hoped he would be but I believe part of his problems are related to the style of blocking.
We are talking tackles here right, because we all know Rachel is a hole. I have been saying this, and now Singletary confirms it n his monday presser. Our tackles are playing with good fundamentals, it is the play design.
In my opinion, the splits (gaps) are too narrow, this give speed rushers an advantage. Our offensive formations are so densely packed the team looks constipated. Even when we go "spread" our O-line is packed like sardines in a bunch. This tight formation gives D-ends the luxury of of setting a tight edge in the run game, and gives a shorter path to the quarterback.
Wider splits, would help in the outside run game giving our wide bodies more room to drop a foot and pull. The downside is tighter splits put more pressure on backs and guards in terms of picking up delay blitzes, and stunts. Gore and Norris are both good blockers, and Byum is as well, so I think we could handle the interior pressure. We may have to replace Rachel with Snyder or even a plastic cone! The give up on holding Gore in the backfield for a few extra seconds is of course Alex would have to make plays to the wide receivers, taking away his quick check downs, but I think that can be a plus, with a guy like Vernon how many "safety valves" do you really need?
One final note, and I hate to say it because it is trend in blocking I personally don't like, but thats because I old school. The tackles on most NFL teams no longer get in a three point stance on passing downs, the are "winged" in a two point stance almost like a punt formation. The Pat's and the Colts are great examples, you always can tell pass or run when you watch them. Some times they are so strongly "Winged" it could be called "to many men in the backfield". (if you want to know the crown of the linemen's helmet MUST break an imaginary line created by the belt of the center to be on the line of scrimmage) Many tackles are so far back when they stand up in the two point stance they are not legal, we should employ more of this, if the NFL is not enforcing the rules, we should take advantage.
So there it is in a nut shell, add 3-6 inches to the splits, set protection to help the interior with backs and ends, allowing the tackles to be in a better position to "ride the speed rushers outside, cheat the tackles in a two point stance, and bingo fixed!
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Let's look at a few numbers:
Alex is tied for 10th in sacks taken (with Garrard). The guys with more sacks: Cutler, Rivers, Schaub, McNabb, Bradford, Rodgers, Orton, Ryan, Favre. Nice list. (Interesting: none of those guys are exactly nimble in the pocket. Alex is actually pretty athletic, he just never uses it until we're behind by a touchdown or more.)
Throw out Cutler b/c he plays for Martz, and you still have some pretty good QBs who have taken more lumps than Alex (including some fairly senior guys who know when to throw the ball away - without getting flagged for grounding).
Point being? I don't think you can make the case that because these QB's have more sacks, it follows necessarily that the O-lines of the Chargers, Texans, 'Skins, (never mind the Rams), Packers, Falcons, and Vikes all suck worse than our O-line does.
And it's not because they're in pass-happy schemes. Alex is 5th in passes attempted, after: Manning, Orton, Bradford, Brees. (That fact alone probably gives Singletary heartburn.) Manning (35th) and Brees (25th) are way down on the sack list - no duh, the lower the attempts-to-sack ratio, the more successful you are as a QB. So Alex has actually thrown more passes than most of the guys ahead of him on the got-sacked list, yet has gotten sacked less than they have.
Manning: 254:6 (attempts to sacks - damn he's good)
Orton: 247:13
Bradford: 234:14
Brees: 231:8 (likewise)
Alex's ratio: 223:12
...a few others:
McNabb: 215:14
Rodgers: 201:14
Favre: 150:13 (ouch!)
Here's the link to the stats I used: Yahoo Sports. I know a big factor here is QB hurries, but I haven't found any sources for numbers. Anyone know of any?...
And I know that sacks are just one stat, and there's much more to line play and offensive success than how many sacks you take. (Just look at the top 9 -- we'd take any one of those guys, hands down.)
Sorry, guys, I'm rambling a bit. Sure, we've got line issues, but they aren't contributing to a runaway number of sacks; more to the point, they don't directly cause Alex's cautious, check-down mentality, nor his inconsistency that drives many of us up the wall.
Take those same nine QB's with more sacks, have them make the same passes as Alex missed last week, and I think you'd see different results - even behind our O-line. (Hmmmm... is this something you can actually *do* in Madden?) I seriously doubt Favre, Ryan, or even Bradford simply miss their receivers as often as Alex does. (Well, maybe Favre. )
Not to mention it's fairly self-evident that Alex consistently throws high, and he's going to get someone killed one of these days. (Zeigler's abilities are a delight, but would he be as valuable on a team with a more accurate and consistent passer? I wonder.)
Since Alex enjoys the most success when he's in a spread, when he's got nothing to lose... perhaps he would blossom as a better 2nd stringer than a starter. It's true, once we bench him he's probably done, barring injury to Carr *and* T.Smith... but if I'm Mike Johnson, I'm feeding T Smith the playbook as fast as I can, so he can take reps with the 1's during the bye, and start vs. the Rams.
Read more: http://forums.kffl.com/threads/278426-Oakland-Game/page6#ixzz12uuh9zJr
Originally posted by FL9er:
One could make the argument that poor line play is a result of a QB who doesn't see the field well and has no feel for the game. Combine that with a Head Coach's archaic offensive philosophy. ColoNiner who post's here made an interesting note (taken from kffl.com):
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Let's look at a few numbers:
Alex is tied for 10th in sacks taken (with Garrard). The guys with more sacks: Cutler, Rivers, Schaub, McNabb, Bradford, Rodgers, Orton, Ryan, Favre. Nice list. (Interesting: none of those guys are exactly nimble in the pocket. Alex is actually pretty athletic, he just never uses it until we're behind by a touchdown or more.)
Throw out Cutler b/c he plays for Martz, and you still have some pretty good QBs who have taken more lumps than Alex (including some fairly senior guys who know when to throw the ball away - without getting flagged for grounding).
Point being? I don't think you can make the case that because these QB's have more sacks, it follows necessarily that the O-lines of the Chargers, Texans, 'Skins, (never mind the Rams), Packers, Falcons, and Vikes all suck worse than our O-line does.
And it's not because they're in pass-happy schemes. Alex is 5th in passes attempted, after: Manning, Orton, Bradford, Brees. (That fact alone probably gives Singletary heartburn.) Manning (35th) and Brees (25th) are way down on the sack list - no duh, the lower the attempts-to-sack ratio, the more successful you are as a QB. So Alex has actually thrown more passes than most of the guys ahead of him on the got-sacked list, yet has gotten sacked less than they have.
Manning: 254:6 (attempts to sacks - damn he's good)
Orton: 247:13
Bradford: 234:14
Brees: 231:8 (likewise)
Alex's ratio: 223:12
...a few others:
McNabb: 215:14
Rodgers: 201:14
Favre: 150:13 (ouch!)
Here's the link to the stats I used: Yahoo Sports. I know a big factor here is QB hurries, but I haven't found any sources for numbers. Anyone know of any?...
And I know that sacks are just one stat, and there's much more to line play and offensive success than how many sacks you take. (Just look at the top 9 -- we'd take any one of those guys, hands down.)
Sorry, guys, I'm rambling a bit. Sure, we've got line issues, but they aren't contributing to a runaway number of sacks; more to the point, they don't directly cause Alex's cautious, check-down mentality, nor his inconsistency that drives many of us up the wall.
Take those same nine QB's with more sacks, have them make the same passes as Alex missed last week, and I think you'd see different results - even behind our O-line. (Hmmmm... is this something you can actually *do* in Madden?) I seriously doubt Favre, Ryan, or even Bradford simply miss their receivers as often as Alex does. (Well, maybe Favre. )
Not to mention it's fairly self-evident that Alex consistently throws high, and he's going to get someone killed one of these days. (Zeigler's abilities are a delight, but would he be as valuable on a team with a more accurate and consistent passer? I wonder.)
Since Alex enjoys the most success when he's in a spread, when he's got nothing to lose... perhaps he would blossom as a better 2nd stringer than a starter. It's true, once we bench him he's probably done, barring injury to Carr *and* T.Smith... but if I'm Mike Johnson, I'm feeding T Smith the playbook as fast as I can, so he can take reps with the 1's during the bye, and start vs. the Rams.
Read more: http://forums.kffl.com/threads/278426-Oakland-Game/page6#ixzz12uuh9zJr
Originally posted by NCommand:
Man, Staley and Davis are just terrible. Every single pass play Smith is running for his life. I can somewhat understand Davis but Staley? This guy has gotten worse every year. FO's was noting that we also run the least off Staley's side too. Wonderful..he can't pass block and we can't run off his edge. This is a HUGE problem people. The talk of Chilo is seems to be the spotlight but watch our tackles and tell me what you think.
Originally posted by flow:
LT: Sims
LG: Iupati
C: Baas
RG: Anthony Davis
RT: Staley
Originally posted by flow:
In case it isn't obvious by now...
Originally posted by flow:
LT: Sims
LG: Iupati
C: Baas
RG: Anthony Davis
RT: Staley