Now that I have rewatched the game...

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by HIMYM:

Originally posted by kemp_j:
Good post..... I'm gonna watch it again, maybe it'll make me feel better. I don't know what's happening to our Defense. I thought it was better than they are playing right now.......

If you wanna feel better, only start from when the crowd started chanting for Carr. Anyways, about the Defense, every game around 4 min. mark in 4th quarter, if we lead by 3 or 7, I start feeling a 30+ yard pass completion from the opponent. I have no faith in this D in the end of the game. They always give up majority of the field in like 5 plays in the end.

Ignore that. Smith was playing well from start to finish...just skip the fumble and you will feel much better.

I get over feeling bad soon after the game ends. All I wanna see is the effort. I'm sure this team will learn how to win soon enough. The one thing that most people don't understand is the consistency that it takes to make a good team. It doesn't happen overnight. As long as you keep changing players without giving them a legit chance, the team will never be good. Now things are finally coming around and people wanna screw these players and wanna bring someone who can win magically.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
Smith wasn't the sole reason. He was equally culpable with Gore. The offense has been more responsible for our losses this season than the D.

I don't know about that. Gore had 2 turnovers that were his fault (great plays by the D too) but didn't do much in the running game to help the team win. 52 yards on 18 carries isn't going to cut it, especially when you put the ball on the carpet twice.

Alex's fumble was all on him. Bad in more ways than one (he never should have rolled out there in the first place) but he had over 300 yards and 3 TDs.

I'd still say they equally hurt us since Smith's fumble was returned for 6. Either way, the point is the offense hurts the team too much with TOs and 3 and outs. The D is going to break at some point.

so whats your excuse for the D when we score on the opening drive against the Eagles then they march right down the field and score to tie it up...

The Bears D was able to stop the Panthers after The Bears QB threw 4 ints and 63 yards for the entire game

But, but but... It's a QB-driven league!

I think you forgot to mention the Panthers QB's threw 3 combined INTs. They also had 4 fumbles but none were lost.

"Face!"

Exactly. I didn't see much of the game, only what they showed on the RedZone channel. That's the point. The Bears D stopped them, those three INTs was part of stopping them. It's pretty cut and dry what happened when you win a game by 17 points and your QB throws 4 picks and only 63 yards. Forte was the offense, the D did the rest. Even dealing with 4 picks.

Yeah but the Panthers QB is about as good as ours. Did the Bears defense stop them or was it just poor play like our QB not making smart decisions? I wish we play against QB's like Alex Smith who try to throw passes while falling down or throw right into a defenders stomach.

My point is that Alex has been throwing to the defense or giving it to them when he had other open options on that play. That's not good defense, that's poor QB'ing.

So Clausen and Moore threw for over 300 yards and 3 TDs? The Panthers QB(s) didn't even throw for 100 yards or one TD. Chicago's D is good but so is Philly's. Actually before Sunday Philly's D was ranked higher than the Bears. Just stop posting, you're not capable of clear or critical thought.

Clausen is a rookie QB who has 1 TD and 3 Interceptions. His best game was 188 yards. He has thrown under 61 yards in two games and a 4th game with only 146 yards. Moore has thrown 0 TD and 1 Interception on the season.

Really? It's not only the Bears who have been able to "stop" these guys. They aren't doing anything against any teams.

Why don't you look at more than one game before you begin to claim a defense was great even though they played against crap QBing. You combine crap QB against a top 15 defense and you have a near shutout.

You claimed the Bears won while throwing 4 INTs because of their defense not at all acknowledging that the other teams crap QB's threw 3 INTs and that EVERY team has been able to stop those QB's and you're telling me to stop posting?

But I guess our QB turning the ball over almost 3 times per game means nothing. Now include even more turnovers by our offense overall and you say it's the defense's fault?

This offense has 6 fumbles lost and 9 INTs. That's 15 turnovers in 5 games!

This defense has gotten 5 turnovers in 5 games but no one talks about the fact that our offense should be turning those 5 turnovers into TD's. You can't make up for 15 turnovers! Seriously?

THAT is your support for saying the Panthers QBs are as good as the 49ers?

They've actually won a game because their QB and the team wasn't handing the ball to the opposition. You can't win like that. We are not 0-5 because of poor play throughout a game by our defense. We shouldn't even be in 3-point games at the end if our offense doesn't keep helping the other team.

Our QB has made more mistakes than any other QB in the league and anyone else on this team. Therefore he is the primary reason we are losing.

Calling serious BS on that one.

It appears he has made the most mistakes because he has the ball on every play. If a WR has the ball bounce off his should and picked, its the fault of the WR even if its credited to the QB. If the Lineman can't make a block that gets a QB hit as he throw and picked...thats the fault of the RT even when the INT goes to the QB.

Smith doesn't play in a vacuum. His teammates are just as responsible as he is. Yes, he has thrown a few bad passes, but recievers have run the wrong route, passes have been defelected by DEs, Recievers haven't flashed in front of a DB as they were supposed to...the list goes on and on.

EVERYONE on this team has been inconsistant...not just the QB.

You can still give him a few mulligans but he is still worse than just about every QB in the league at this. Every QB in the league have the ball more often but it doesn't mean they make more mistakes.

I am basing all this on 40+ starts. Alex Smith has played inconsistent and has turned the ball over often. It's not BS, it's accumulated stats.

Real nice post. Thanks for the optimism. Too bad most of the fans here overreact to everything.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
Smith wasn't the sole reason. He was equally culpable with Gore. The offense has been more responsible for our losses this season than the D.

I don't know about that. Gore had 2 turnovers that were his fault (great plays by the D too) but didn't do much in the running game to help the team win. 52 yards on 18 carries isn't going to cut it, especially when you put the ball on the carpet twice.

Alex's fumble was all on him. Bad in more ways than one (he never should have rolled out there in the first place) but he had over 300 yards and 3 TDs.

I'd still say they equally hurt us since Smith's fumble was returned for 6. Either way, the point is the offense hurts the team too much with TOs and 3 and outs. The D is going to break at some point.

so whats your excuse for the D when we score on the opening drive against the Eagles then they march right down the field and score to tie it up...

The Bears D was able to stop the Panthers after The Bears QB threw 4 ints and 63 yards for the entire game

But, but but... It's a QB-driven league!

I think you forgot to mention the Panthers QB's threw 3 combined INTs. They also had 4 fumbles but none were lost.

"Face!"

Exactly. I didn't see much of the game, only what they showed on the RedZone channel. That's the point. The Bears D stopped them, those three INTs was part of stopping them. It's pretty cut and dry what happened when you win a game by 17 points and your QB throws 4 picks and only 63 yards. Forte was the offense, the D did the rest. Even dealing with 4 picks.

Yeah but the Panthers QB is about as good as ours. Did the Bears defense stop them or was it just poor play like our QB not making smart decisions? I wish we play against QB's like Alex Smith who try to throw passes while falling down or throw right into a defenders stomach.

My point is that Alex has been throwing to the defense or giving it to them when he had other open options on that play. That's not good defense, that's poor QB'ing.

So Clausen and Moore threw for over 300 yards and 3 TDs? The Panthers QB(s) didn't even throw for 100 yards or one TD. Chicago's D is good but so is Philly's. Actually before Sunday Philly's D was ranked higher than the Bears. Just stop posting, you're not capable of clear or critical thought.

Clausen is a rookie QB who has 1 TD and 3 Interceptions. His best game was 188 yards. He has thrown under 61 yards in two games and a 4th game with only 146 yards. Moore has thrown 0 TD and 1 Interception on the season.

Really? It's not only the Bears who have been able to "stop" these guys. They aren't doing anything against any teams.

Why don't you look at more than one game before you begin to claim a defense was great even though they played against crap QBing. You combine crap QB against a top 15 defense and you have a near shutout.

You claimed the Bears won while throwing 4 INTs because of their defense not at all acknowledging that the other teams crap QB's threw 3 INTs and that EVERY team has been able to stop those QB's and you're telling me to stop posting?

But I guess our QB turning the ball over almost 3 times per game means nothing. Now include even more turnovers by our offense overall and you say it's the defense's fault?

This offense has 6 fumbles lost and 9 INTs. That's 15 turnovers in 5 games!

This defense has gotten 5 turnovers in 5 games but no one talks about the fact that our offense should be turning those 5 turnovers into TD's. You can't make up for 15 turnovers! Seriously?

THAT is your support for saying the Panthers QBs are as good as the 49ers?

They've actually won a game because their QB and the team wasn't handing the ball to the opposition. You can't win like that. We are not 0-5 because of poor play throughout a game by our defense. We shouldn't even be in 3-point games at the end if our offense doesn't keep helping the other team.

Our QB has made more mistakes than any other QB in the league and anyone else on this team. Therefore he is the primary reason we are losing.

Calling serious BS on that one.

It appears he has made the most mistakes because he has the ball on every play. If a WR has the ball bounce off his should and picked, its the fault of the WR even if its credited to the QB. If the Lineman can't make a block that gets a QB hit as he throw and picked...thats the fault of the RT even when the INT goes to the QB.

Smith doesn't play in a vacuum. His teammates are just as responsible as he is. Yes, he has thrown a few bad passes, but recievers have run the wrong route, passes have been defelected by DEs, Recievers haven't flashed in front of a DB as they were supposed to...the list goes on and on.

EVERYONE on this team has been inconsistant...not just the QB.

You can still give him a few mulligans but he is still worse than just about every QB in the league at this. Every QB in the league have the ball more often but it doesn't mean they make more mistakes.

I am basing all this on 40+ starts. Alex Smith has played inconsistent and has turned the ball over often. It's not BS, it's accumulated stats.

I give up. Think what you want to think, I think what I think.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
Smith wasn't the sole reason. He was equally culpable with Gore. The offense has been more responsible for our losses this season than the D.

I don't know about that. Gore had 2 turnovers that were his fault (great plays by the D too) but didn't do much in the running game to help the team win. 52 yards on 18 carries isn't going to cut it, especially when you put the ball on the carpet twice.

Alex's fumble was all on him. Bad in more ways than one (he never should have rolled out there in the first place) but he had over 300 yards and 3 TDs.

I'd still say they equally hurt us since Smith's fumble was returned for 6. Either way, the point is the offense hurts the team too much with TOs and 3 and outs. The D is going to break at some point.

so whats your excuse for the D when we score on the opening drive against the Eagles then they march right down the field and score to tie it up...

The Bears D was able to stop the Panthers after The Bears QB threw 4 ints and 63 yards for the entire game

But, but but... It's a QB-driven league!

I think you forgot to mention the Panthers QB's threw 3 combined INTs. They also had 4 fumbles but none were lost.

"Face!"

Exactly. I didn't see much of the game, only what they showed on the RedZone channel. That's the point. The Bears D stopped them, those three INTs was part of stopping them. It's pretty cut and dry what happened when you win a game by 17 points and your QB throws 4 picks and only 63 yards. Forte was the offense, the D did the rest. Even dealing with 4 picks.

Yeah but the Panthers QB is about as good as ours. Did the Bears defense stop them or was it just poor play like our QB not making smart decisions? I wish we play against QB's like Alex Smith who try to throw passes while falling down or throw right into a defenders stomach.

My point is that Alex has been throwing to the defense or giving it to them when he had other open options on that play. That's not good defense, that's poor QB'ing.

So Clausen and Moore threw for over 300 yards and 3 TDs? The Panthers QB(s) didn't even throw for 100 yards or one TD. Chicago's D is good but so is Philly's. Actually before Sunday Philly's D was ranked higher than the Bears. Just stop posting, you're not capable of clear or critical thought.

Clausen is a rookie QB who has 1 TD and 3 Interceptions. His best game was 188 yards. He has thrown under 61 yards in two games and a 4th game with only 146 yards. Moore has thrown 0 TD and 1 Interception on the season.

Really? It's not only the Bears who have been able to "stop" these guys. They aren't doing anything against any teams.

Why don't you look at more than one game before you begin to claim a defense was great even though they played against crap QBing. You combine crap QB against a top 15 defense and you have a near shutout.

You claimed the Bears won while throwing 4 INTs because of their defense not at all acknowledging that the other teams crap QB's threw 3 INTs and that EVERY team has been able to stop those QB's and you're telling me to stop posting?

But I guess our QB turning the ball over almost 3 times per game means nothing. Now include even more turnovers by our offense overall and you say it's the defense's fault?

This offense has 6 fumbles lost and 9 INTs. That's 15 turnovers in 5 games!

This defense has gotten 5 turnovers in 5 games but no one talks about the fact that our offense should be turning those 5 turnovers into TD's. You can't make up for 15 turnovers! Seriously?

THAT is your support for saying the Panthers QBs are as good as the 49ers?

They've actually won a game because their QB and the team wasn't handing the ball to the opposition. You can't win like that. We are not 0-5 because of poor play throughout a game by our defense. We shouldn't even be in 3-point games at the end if our offense doesn't keep helping the other team.

Our QB has made more mistakes than any other QB in the league and anyone else on this team. Therefore he is the primary reason we are losing.

Calling serious BS on that one.

It appears he has made the most mistakes because he has the ball on every play. If a WR has the ball bounce off his should and picked, its the fault of the WR even if its credited to the QB. If the Lineman can't make a block that gets a QB hit as he throw and picked...thats the fault of the RT even when the INT goes to the QB.

Smith doesn't play in a vacuum. His teammates are just as responsible as he is. Yes, he has thrown a few bad passes, but recievers have run the wrong route, passes have been defelected by DEs, Recievers haven't flashed in front of a DB as they were supposed to...the list goes on and on.

EVERYONE on this team has been inconsistant...not just the QB.

You can still give him a few mulligans but he is still worse than just about every QB in the league at this. Every QB in the league have the ball more often but it doesn't mean they make more mistakes.

I am basing all this on 40+ starts. Alex Smith has played inconsistent and has turned the ball over often. It's not BS, it's accumulated stats.

I give up. Think what you want to think, I think what I think.

40+ starts. Let's see how he does when he finally "throws caution to the wind" and completely changes his personality. That alone is an indication that he's holding this offense back. No one said anything about him needing more help.

Favre got Randy Moss and Percy Harvin and they still lost because of his mistakes.

Turnovers killed us again.

Nice OP Marvin49! Agreed on just about every point.

Originally posted by 49Fever:
Yeah great posts
I see all of you are very optimistic
as i am for sure
11-5
division winner maybe SB champs
Go niners

wow, 42 posts in before this thread got retarded. must be a WZ record.

Good original post, informative and logical. Some may not agree and some will, but the post was full of information and had a constructive dialog.

Absolutely right Alex had 1 bad play and he is becoming more accurate as time passes, best game of his carreer sunday night.

Originally posted by rlott42:

Originally posted by 49Fever:
Yeah great posts
I see all of you are very optimistic
as i am for sure
11-5
division winner maybe SB champs
Go niners

wow, 42 posts in before this thread got retarded. must be a WZ record.

Good original post, informative and logical. Some may not agree and some will, but the post was full of information and had a constructive dialog.

Yes it was a good post but it did leave out some information. Information on this offensive philosophy as a whole. The short passes were blamed on play calling and OC along with the head coach's philosophy but the lack of big chunk plays gears more towards what the QB sees or doesn't see.

I watched the game agin too, and I am more disturbed by how easy it has become to move the ball on our d. We have to do something about the secondary, Goldson is stinking it up and Mays is a rookie. Mays looks like he will get better, but Goldson looks confused and out of position too often for a last line of defense.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
I watched the game agin too, and I am more disturbed by how easy it has become to move the ball on our d. We have to do something about the secondary, Goldson is stinking it up and Mays is a rookie. Mays looks like he will get better, but Goldson looks confused and out of position too often for a last line of defense.

Talk has kind of quieted down about Goldson getting a lucrative extension.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by rlott42:

Originally posted by 49Fever:
Yeah great posts
I see all of you are very optimistic
as i am for sure
11-5
division winner maybe SB champs
Go niners

wow, 42 posts in before this thread got retarded. must be a WZ record.

Good original post, informative and logical. Some may not agree and some will, but the post was full of information and had a constructive dialog.

Yes it was a good post but it did leave out some information. Information on this offensive philosophy as a whole. The short passes were blamed on play calling and OC along with the head coach's philosophy but the lack of big chunk plays gears more towards what the QB sees or doesn't see.

!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Woah....did you even read my post?

"The short passes were blamed on play calling and OC along with the head coach's philosophy but the lack of big chunk plays gears more towards what the QB sees or doesn't see."

WHAT!?! READ.

I said in my post that MJ called a very good game and that he was aggressive. At no point did I "BLAME" anyone for anything. I never even mentioned the Sing.

As for the lack of chunk plays, the Niners HAD chunk plays. The only thing I said was that sometimes you take the 1st read at 15 yards and not the second read at 30 yards. My point was not to listen to freakin' Collinsworth being critical of a 15 yeard play on 2nd and 10 because he didn't hit the guy open (maybe) for 30.

Alex was completing 15 to 20 yard passes all freakin night....not just in the 4th quarter.

Next time, before you tell someone what I said, be sure that YOU read what I said and don't speak for me.

[ Edited by Marvin49 on Oct 12, 2010 at 14:31:23 ]

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by rlott42:

Originally posted by 49Fever:
Yeah great posts
I see all of you are very optimistic
as i am for sure
11-5
division winner maybe SB champs
Go niners

wow, 42 posts in before this thread got retarded. must be a WZ record.

Good original post, informative and logical. Some may not agree and some will, but the post was full of information and had a constructive dialog.

Yes it was a good post but it did leave out some information. Information on this offensive philosophy as a whole. The short passes were blamed on play calling and OC along with the head coach's philosophy but the lack of big chunk plays gears more towards what the QB sees or doesn't see.

!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Woah....did you even read my post?

"The short passes were blamed on play calling and OC along with the head coach's philosophy but the lack of big chunk plays gears more towards what the QB sees or doesn't see."

WHAT!?! READ.

I said in my post that MJ called a very good game and that he was aggressive. At no point did I "BLAME" anyone for anything. I never even mentioned the Sing.

As for the lack of chunk plays, the Niners HAD chunk plays. The only thing I said was that sometimes you take the 1st read at 15 yards and not the second read at 30 yards. My point was not to listen to freakin' Collinsworth being critical of a 15 yeard play on 2nd and 10 because he didn't hit the guy open (maybe) for 30.

Alex was completing 15 to 20 yard passes all freakin night....not just in the 4th quarter.

Next time, before you tell someone what I said, be sure that YOU read what I said and don't speak for me.

reading is for sissies....

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by boast:
Alex is a good quarterback and great in the RZ. those who can't see that are blinded by their hatred.

Alex Smith in the Red Zone this season...

17 Att, 21 Comp, 100 Yards, 81.0 Comp %, 6 TDs, 0 INTs, 126.1 QB Rating

That's something that makes you go