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Losing the locker room?

For sure!......the team is slipping away from Singletary. Can he regain the confidence in the team by winning like 3 out of the next 4 games? Probably.

I want the Niners to finish strong, but still fire Singletary after the season. Cut our losses now and start new with a new head coach!
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
We are soon going to find out.

Vick is out for this week, and Kolb will have a full week to prepare. Philly was humiliated at home against the Redskins, and Andy Reid is a good coach. I think the Eagles will be ready to play ball. If the Niners don't get off to a good start in this game, it could get really ugly, really fast.

I'm torn in watching this game. One side of me hopes we come out strong, and post a W. The other side of me hopes we are humiliated, forcing ownership to dump Singletary as soon as possible (the 0-4 start is not as bad to me as Singletary's weekly meltdown emotionally, psychologically), and begin the process of looking toward a new head coach in 2011. Let's face it, even in a stinky division, teams that start 0-4 have a snowball's chance in hell of making the playoffs.

If Mike Johnson is named the interim coach, the team can, in essence, bypass elements of the Rooney Rule, which require each team to interview a minority head coach before hiring someone. The team can begin to speak with Gruden, Cowher, Dungy, and others in advance, to see if they are interested.

Nice post, jimbagg. We need to clone you a thousand times for the sake of the board.

P.S. Having Heitmann return this week should be huge. His loss, and the loss of Michael Robinson (Can someone please break down for me how Curtis Taylor is helping this team?), have hurt the morale and leadership of this team. If there is any sign of intelligence in Singletary, he will put Heitmann back in at center right away in practice, to get Smith back on track. Heitmann is Smith's security blanket, and he is simply not very good without him. Move Baas or Snyder to RG, and open up this stagnant offense with the spread. And...design a few plays to Vernon Davis.
I have. somewhat reluctantly, come to the conclusion that Singletary was just not ready to be a HC in this league. He may be at some future point but not now. The HC must be stable in a storm but not in denial. In Sing's case, he is far to emotional in crunch time to be a good leader. He needs to tuck his emotions away. While he will not gain the experience necessary to be a good coach in the remainder of the season, I would hope he could control his emotional outbursts. That little scene of breaking his headset on national television did not play well. If I'm Jed York I tell him he either keeps his emotions in check or checks out.

So I agree that Singletary may be in danger of losing the team both for the failure to win but also because of his inability to maintain realistic control of his emotions.

I agree that getting Heitmann back will be a plus for the OL. Most fans have no idea how important the center is to the success of the offense. I heard someone say recently that the three most important positions on a football team were QB, center and FS, in that order. The center must constantly read the defense and make calls during the play as well as before. With Baas at center there have been too many missed assignments in the middle of the line. Also, as you suggest, the center is a security blanket for the quarterback. He helps adjust the protection so the QB can do his job. When the QB does not feel secure in the calls of the center, he is not likely to perform as well. I know the more vocal anti-Smith folks here will call that an excuse but it is a fact nonetheless.
No, BM isn't losing the locker room, he has LOST it. In multiple other posts, I have elaborated on this, but essentially, that laughter you saw on the sideline as we lost to ATL, was indication that this team and locker room is already irrevocably lost. That isn't the way a team reacts to a heart breaking loss. NO, they were laughing, like everyone else in football at their incompetent HC. Hey, the divorce is a done deal. You don't stay together for the kids, here. Bigmike(BM) had no business being a HC, and is truly just a one trick pony... a LB coach, who by some miracle, got jumpskipped to HC from LB coach, with the only mentoring done by who?...yeah, that's right, noln. Ouch.

So, ONE and DONE , baby, ONE and DONE. He has one more loss before he gets his walking papers, and hopefully it is this week, so our team can move on, and put this BM disaster behind us. Jimbagg, Mad Dog, I , and many others are seeing this for what it is. A HC who is a fraud, exposed as a rah rah guy who knows no Xs and Os, who has no idea on how to call a game on O or D, yet i believe he has been micromanaging the O and D calls ...hence we stink. This team is no where near this bad. But locker room has long since been lost, and players just quit playing for this unqualified guy.

Gruden said it best, when he commented, "Rah rah is good for once or twice a yr. After that it is Xs and Os, and knowledge of coaching" . Boy did he get that right.

One more loss and BM is toast. So ONE and DONE, baby, ONE and DONE.
Originally posted by swim4speed:
For sure!......the team is slipping away from Singletary. Can he regain the confidence in the team by winning like 3 out of the next 4 games? Probably.

I want the Niners to finish strong, but still fire Singletary after the season. Cut our losses now and start new with a new head coach!

If we win 5 straight, I don't think he will win the confidence, I think the players will be playing for themselves, winning for each other (which isnt so bad imo)

sing is still gone either way, dallas will prob fire wade philips, and we will probably hire him.
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
I think it's hard to tell WTF is going on with this team.

It is negatively impacting my life. I can attest to that much.
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Originally posted by unst4bl3:
Originally posted by swim4speed:
For sure!......the team is slipping away from Singletary. Can he regain the confidence in the team by winning like 3 out of the next 4 games? Probably.

I want the Niners to finish strong, but still fire Singletary after the season. Cut our losses now and start new with a new head coach!

If we win 5 straight, I don't think he will win the confidence, I think the players will be playing for themselves, winning for each other (which isnt so bad imo)

sing is still gone either way, dallas will prob fire wade philips, and we will probably hire him.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I would think stupid and insensitive revelation that he protected Smith by making sure he had no credible competition would be something that would lose a lot of players.

And if he is interfering with the other coaches and making them use his ineffective system, then the players would know that and be upset for sure.
Originally posted by jimbagg:
Does anyone else sense that Singletary is really on thin ice with the players?

And maintaining faith and belief in the locker room is key. If it goes, as it did with Erickson and Nolan, a head coach is toast.

I believe that this is why Singletary decided to fire Raye after an all-nighter in front of the film projector. Singletart recognized that if he didn't "lead" with a major change, right then and there, he would lose the locker room that very week. So Raye was the scapegoat, deserving or not. Singletary was stunned after the Atlanta game, because he recognizes that the players don't see much of a real change. And now he really doesn't know what to do.

Read Crabtree's quotes ("Mike Johnson doesn't play"). Listen to what Michael Lewis ('contradictory message from the coaching staff") and Takeo Spikes ("I was always taught that where there's smoke, there's fire") are saying. Listen to Patrick Willis ("the longest two minutes of my life"). The locker room is slipping away. I don't know yet about Crabtree's heart, but Lewis, Spikes and Willis are really respected in the locker room.

Seems to me that Singletary must feel desperate, even though he would never admit it. What DOES he do next? Doing nothing this week is NOT acceptable.

I doubt that he will bench QB Smith this week, but I wouldn't be surprised if he told Mike Johnson to build his Philly game plan around the spread offense, especially with the injury to TE Walker.

Johnson supposedly knows the spread and Singletary allowed Raye to go to the spread in the latter part of the 2009 season. This offense has to be geared to scoring 28 points per game, using some big plays. No QB on this roster is good enough to march this team methodically down the field 3-4 times per game. The mistakes will come sooner, rather than later.

Singletary has to create some excitement, some hope in that locker room this week. I think that this is his only shot right now. With an 0-5 or 0-6 start, every marketable player in that locker room will have his agent looking for a way out of SF. The fuse is much shorter than management is conceding.

What do you think?

I dont think he has lost his players at all. They would have rebelled before last week if the players didnt like him
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
No, BM isn't losing the locker room, he has LOST it. In multiple other posts, I have elaborated on this, but essentially, that laughter you saw on the sideline as we lost to ATL, was indication that this team and locker room is already irrevocably lost. That isn't the way a team reacts to a heart breaking loss. NO, they were laughing, like everyone else in football at their incompetent HC. Hey, the divorce is a done deal. You don't stay together for the kids, here. Bigmike(BM) had no business being a HC, and is truly just a one trick pony... a LB coach, who by some miracle, got jumpskipped to HC from LB coach, with the only mentoring done by who?...yeah, that's right, noln. Ouch.

So, ONE and DONE , baby, ONE and DONE. He has one more loss before he gets his walking papers, and hopefully it is this week, so our team can move on, and put this BM disaster behind us. Jimbagg, Mad Dog, I , and many others are seeing this for what it is. A HC who is a fraud, exposed as a rah rah guy who knows no Xs and Os, who has no idea on how to call a game on O or D, yet i believe he has been micromanaging the O and D calls ...hence we stink. This team is no where near this bad. But locker room has long since been lost, and players just quit playing for this unqualified guy.

Gruden said it best, when he commented, "Rah rah is good for once or twice a yr. After that it is Xs and Os, and knowledge of coaching" . Boy did he get that right.

One more loss and BM is toast. So ONE and DONE, baby, ONE and DONE.

I don't think the Yorks fire Singletary even if he loses 3 more games. You're correct, the coaching staff has lost the team. IMHO, the season is already lost. If Jed is smart, he starts to search for a true GM. If I were him, the best thing he could do is find a GM who will be ready to find a coach day one at the end of the season or even start to interview coaches during the last game.

There isn't anyone on the coaching staff currently who has the ability to be a HC of this team. That says a LOT about 49er management. This team has no future and only concerned with the present. It has yet to find a stable template for sustaining any type of momentum from year to year.

We all know Trent Baalke is just a figure head and really works for Singletary. Don't promote Trent. Find a good GM/personnel guy who knows the league, who can identify up-and-coming coaches and talent. There needs to be a complete overhaul of the 49ers coaching staff possibly. Some position coaches need to go and some need to stay. However, the HC needs to move on.
GM, by chance do you know any hot shot GMs whose contract is about to expire? Or any other up and comers, but i really don't have any idea about how one finds a GM. HOFO, that's another matter, and Parcells, who it is reported is tired of miami, is considering moving on. Man would i ever love a parcells, or loomis, or pioli to come here as HOFO. Not sure that move would even be considered by the feckless yorks.
Originally posted by BleedRandG:
Originally posted by jimbagg:
Does anyone else sense that Singletary is really on thin ice with the players?

And maintaining faith and belief in the locker room is key. If it goes, as it did with Erickson and Nolan, a head coach is toast.

I believe that this is why Singletary decided to fire Raye after an all-nighter in front of the film projector. Singletart recognized that if he didn't "lead" with a major change, right then and there, he would lose the locker room that very week. So Raye was the scapegoat, deserving or not. Singletary was stunned after the Atlanta game, because he recognizes that the players don't see much of a real change. And now he really doesn't know what to do.

Read Crabtree's quotes ("Mike Johnson doesn't play"). Listen to what Michael Lewis ('contradictory message from the coaching staff") and Takeo Spikes ("I was always taught that where there's smoke, there's fire") are saying. Listen to Patrick Willis ("the longest two minutes of my life"). The locker room is slipping away. I don't know yet about Crabtree's heart, but Lewis, Spikes and Willis are really respected in the locker room.

Seems to me that Singletary must feel desperate, even though he would never admit it. What DOES he do next? Doing nothing this week is NOT acceptable.

I doubt that he will bench QB Smith this week, but I wouldn't be surprised if he told Mike Johnson to build his Philly game plan around the spread offense, especially with the injury to TE Walker.

Johnson supposedly knows the spread and Singletary allowed Raye to go to the spread in the latter part of the 2009 season. This offense has to be geared to scoring 28 points per game, using some big plays. No QB on this roster is good enough to march this team methodically down the field 3-4 times per game. The mistakes will come sooner, rather than later.

Singletary has to create some excitement, some hope in that locker room this week. I think that this is his only shot right now. With an 0-5 or 0-6 start, every marketable player in that locker room will have his agent looking for a way out of SF. The fuse is much shorter than management is conceding.

What do you think?

I dont think he has lost his players at all. They would have rebelled before last week if the players didnt like him

Correct you are. Players are still playing hard, so I don't think we're there quite yet. Let's see what happens AFTER next week. That's when I think we might start seeing the effects of "losing the locker room"... that is if we lose the game.
Originally posted by cNiner:
Originally posted by seeking6th:
Originally posted by Ronnie49Lott:
IMO I think the team is frustrated as hell with Singletary's choice of Alex Smith or nothing. By not even considering the option of sitting Smith if he struggles, he's putting himself in a bad spot with the team. Consider that while Singletary's asked the team to trust that he'll do what's best for the team while damn near every game the team see's Smith struggle at crunch time. The players can and will only take so much of that.

this

but i think this will change soon. no vick, we should win (so people think) against eagles. i believe he'll get benched if he has a bad or even mediocre game (i hope)

to tell you the truth i don't think we can beat the Eagles with or without vick , they will screen us to death then they will unleach their pass rush to confuse Alex and that is not hard to do. then he will start to throw Int's all over the field or should i say throw it high to WR's to get tiped in the air !

we have a better run game than skins, i think we'll do well rushing the ball. i can't wait for taylor mays to lay someone out unconscious, just for a moment or just for the game. i wish i could be there in person. this is going to be another good one. but this time we better win.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
We are soon going to find out.

Vick is out for this week, and Kolb will have a full week to prepare. Philly was humiliated at home against the Redskins, and Andy Reid is a good coach. I think the Eagles will be ready to play ball. If the Niners don't get off to a good start in this game, it could get really ugly, really fast.

I'm torn in watching this game. One side of me hopes we come out strong, and post a W. The other side of me hopes we are humiliated, forcing ownership to dump Singletary as soon as possible (the 0-4 start is not as bad to me as Singletary's weekly meltdown emotionally, psychologically), and begin the process of looking toward a new head coach in 2011. Let's face it, even in a stinky division, teams that start 0-4 have a snowball's chance in hell of making the playoffs.

If Mike Johnson is named the interim coach, the team can, in essence, bypass elements of the Rooney Rule, which require each team to interview a minority head coach before hiring someone. The team can begin to speak with Gruden, Cowher, Dungy, and others in advance, to see if they are interested.

Nice post, jimbagg. We need to clone you a thousand times for the sake of the board.

P.S. Having Heitmann return this week should be huge. His loss, and the loss of Michael Robinson (Can someone please break down for me how Curtis Taylor is helping this team?), have hurt the morale and leadership of this team. If there is any sign of intelligence in Singletary, he will put Heitmann back in at center right away in practice, to get Smith back on track. Heitmann is Smith's security blanket, and he is simply not very good without him. Move Baas or Snyder to RG, and open up this stagnant offense with the spread. And...design a few plays to Vernon Davis.

Who's Brady's Center? Mannings, Brees?

So the sweat from Heitmanns butt is supposed to make Smith more accurate?
Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
Originally posted by ace49ers:
Originally posted by RonMexico:
locker room will probably walk out on us also

lol

I wonder what the reason might be.

its personal



Well played sir.
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