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Originally posted by valrod33:Originally posted by billbird2111:
OK. I'll admit. This isn't bad. Points well taken.
But Alex Smith has got to play better football. If he doesn't -- it doesn't matter what Dingleberry does.
Agreed
Originally posted by billbird2111:how many losses does Smith have to have before you realize he completely sucks all aroundOriginally posted by ZRF80:
I dont buy the "silver lining" bs. I can point out several games over the past 5 years where there was a visible "silver lining", only to see the team collapse and not make the playoffs. Playing NO to the end was no different than the game at Qwest in 06 (?), when Smith led the team on a final drive victory. The fact that we can list these games on our fingers goes to show just how inconsistent he is.
Should we panic ?
Absolutely. This team has the longest playoff drought in the NFC. If anyone told you in 2005, right after drafting Smith, that we'd still be scratching our heads and wondering about the state of the 49ers 6 years later, heads would have been guillotined.
As a fanbase, we became enamored with Smith because he was THE pick. He wasnt a guy that was picked to fit the system (Montana), he wasnt the guy we traded for cause he had attributes not seen in other QBs (Young), and he certainly wasnt the seasoned guy that had already been in pro football (Garcia). He was our heir apparent, and he flopped. And a lot of people have had a hard time swallowing that, and instead of holding him accountable, we've held everyone else instead.
Whether it be offensive coordinators (Hostler, Raye, McCarthy), receivers (ABryant, Crabtree, Lloyd), RBs (Barlow, Gore), TEs (VD, EJohnson), olineman (Jennings, Harris, Baas), coaches (Nolan, Sing), etc............we've been quick to point fingers and label them as detriments in Alex's development.
Well, enough is enough. This was supposed to be Alex's put up or shut up season. Instead, his failures (yet again) have been put on a coach.........a coach, btw, who is using the SAME system he was using last year. Were the plays conservative ? Yes. But did Smith take advantage of the limited opportunities he was given ? NO.
Same old Smith. Same old mistakes. Same old excuses.
Time to move on.
I agree with you 110% on every point you make.
But Sando is right. It's only been three games. You can't write off a season after just three games.
Alex still has a game or two left to reverse course and become the kind of QB we all hoped and dreamed he would be when he was drafted.
I'm not going to hold my breath. Personally -- I don't think he can do it. But -- the point is well taken -- it's only been three games. And three games does not make an NFL season.
Originally posted by billbird2111:
OK. I'll admit. This isn't bad. Points well taken.
But Alex Smith has got to play better football. If he doesn't -- it doesn't matter what Dingleberry does.
Originally posted by billbird2111:Originally posted by ZRF80:
I dont buy the "silver lining" bs. I can point out several games over the past 5 years where there was a visible "silver lining", only to see the team collapse and not make the playoffs. Playing NO to the end was no different than the game at Qwest in 06 (?), when Smith led the team on a final drive victory. The fact that we can list these games on our fingers goes to show just how inconsistent he is.
Should we panic ?
Absolutely. This team has the longest playoff drought in the NFC. If anyone told you in 2005, right after drafting Smith, that we'd still be scratching our heads and wondering about the state of the 49ers 6 years later, heads would have been guillotined.
As a fanbase, we became enamored with Smith because he was THE pick. He wasnt a guy that was picked to fit the system (Montana), he wasnt the guy we traded for cause he had attributes not seen in other QBs (Young), and he certainly wasnt the seasoned guy that had already been in pro football (Garcia). He was our heir apparent, and he flopped. And a lot of people have had a hard time swallowing that, and instead of holding him accountable, we've held everyone else instead.
Whether it be offensive coordinators (Hostler, Raye, McCarthy), receivers (ABryant, Crabtree, Lloyd), RBs (Barlow, Gore), TEs (VD, EJohnson), olineman (Jennings, Harris, Baas), coaches (Nolan, Sing), etc............we've been quick to point fingers and label them as detriments in Alex's development.
Well, enough is enough. This was supposed to be Alex's put up or shut up season. Instead, his failures (yet again) have been put on a coach.........a coach, btw, who is using the SAME system he was using last year. Were the plays conservative ? Yes. But did Smith take advantage of the limited opportunities he was given ? NO.
Same old Smith. Same old mistakes. Same old excuses.
Time to move on.
I agree with you 110% on every point you make.
But Sando is right. It's only been three games. You can't write off a season after just three games.
Alex still has a game or two left to reverse course and become the kind of QB we all hoped and dreamed he would be when he was drafted.
I'm not going to hold my breath. Personally -- I don't think he can do it. But -- the point is well taken -- it's only been three games. And three games does not make an NFL season.
Originally posted by 666SF666SF:
Hey Val,
Bravo! I agree with you 150%. You, my friend, have a flair with the pen - why don't you write for the WZ?
Originally posted by valrod33:Originally posted by 666SF666SF:
Hey Val,
Bravo! I agree with you 150%. You, my friend, have a flair with the pen - why don't you write for the WZ?
lol, i didnt right that. Mike Sando did.

Originally posted by danimal:Originally posted by valrod33:Originally posted by 666SF666SF:
Hey Val,
Bravo! I agree with you 150%. You, my friend, have a flair with the pen - why don't you write for the WZ?
lol, i didnt right that. Mike Sando did.
no; you don't say
I know you did that on purpose you attention whore
Originally posted by ZRF80:
I dont buy the "silver lining" bs. I can point out several games over the past 5 years where there was a visible "silver lining", only to see the team collapse and not make the playoffs. Playing NO to the end was no different than the game at Qwest in 06 (?), when Smith led the team on a final drive victory. The fact that we can list these games on our fingers goes to show just how inconsistent he is.
Should we panic ?
Absolutely. This team has the longest playoff drought in the NFC. If anyone told you in 2005, right after drafting Smith, that we'd still be scratching our heads and wondering about the state of the 49ers 6 years later, heads would have been guillotined.
As a fanbase, we became enamored with Smith because he was THE pick. He wasnt a guy that was picked to fit the system (Montana), he wasnt the guy we traded for cause he had attributes not seen in other QBs (Young), and he certainly wasnt the seasoned guy that had already been in pro football (Garcia). He was our heir apparent, and he flopped. And a lot of people have had a hard time swallowing that, and instead of holding him accountable, we've held everyone else instead.
Whether it be offensive coordinators (Hostler, Raye, McCarthy), receivers (ABryant, Crabtree, Lloyd), RBs (Barlow, Gore), TEs (VD, EJohnson), olineman (Jennings, Harris, Baas), coaches (Nolan, Sing), etc............we've been quick to point fingers and label them as detriments in Alex's development.
Well, enough is enough. This was supposed to be Alex's put up or shut up season. Instead, his failures (yet again) have been put on a coach.........a coach, btw, who is using the SAME system he was using last year. Were the plays conservative ? Yes. But did Smith take advantage of the limited opportunities he was given ? NO.
Same old Smith. Same old mistakes. Same old excuses.
Time to move on.
Originally posted by valrod33:Originally posted by 666SF666SF:
Hey Val,
Bravo! I agree with you 150%. You, my friend, have a flair with the pen - why don't you write for the WZ?
lol, i didnt write that. Mike Sando did.

Originally posted by 666SF666SF:Originally posted by valrod33:Originally posted by 666SF666SF:
Hey Val,
Bravo! I agree with you 150%. You, my friend, have a flair with the pen - why don't you write for the WZ?
lol, i didnt write that. Mike Sando did.
OOps, changed work schedule, just woke up. My bad!
I need a beer...