QBs we could have had.....

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
If Alex and Aaron traded situations, they might have traded careers. Maybe not, but it seems more likely than not.

No chance. Alex Smith can't even throw an accurate screen pass. He would have failed in Aaron Rodgers' position.

People need to kill it with the "we would have ruined Rodgers too" nonsense. Rodgers has a far better set of skills than Smith does, and we somehow made Smith look decent for 2 seasons. Things could have wound up completely different had we chosen him. He can make something out of nothing. Any way you look at it, his abilities are a major upgrade over Alex Smith's, so he might have had some success given the fact that even Alex experienced a little success of his own. A better QB in that situation equals even more success.

for you to say that they wouldn't have switched places is the same as saying they would. Nobody really knows because well it didn't happen. the best that can be done is to "assume" And for someone to assume that they would have switched positions is a pretty good assumption if you ask me. If anything could be done wrong with dealing with the development of a QB the 49ers made that mistake.

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
yes we get it in the past we have made huge personnel mistakes, how does this help us going forward?

Why do people say sh*t like this? It's a discussion. That's what we do on a message board. We discuss things.

And just so you know, no discussion on any message board is going to help this team going forward. So what does it matter? We're not here discussing things that the team is taking into consideration, we're discussing things as fans.

Nobody ever wants to talk about our poor decisions, but everyone loves to discuss what we did right and forget everything we've done wrong.

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
If Alex and Aaron traded situations, they might have traded careers. Maybe not, but it seems more likely than not.

No chance. Alex Smith can't even throw an accurate screen pass. He would have failed in Aaron Rodgers' position.

People need to kill it with the "we would have ruined Rodgers too" nonsense. Rodgers has a far better set of skills than Smith does, and we somehow made Smith look decent for 2 seasons. Things could have wound up completely different had we chosen him. He can make something out of nothing. Any way you look at it, his abilities are a major upgrade over Alex Smith's, so he might have had some success given the fact that even Alex experienced a little success of his own. A better QB in that situation equals even more success.

for you to say that they wouldn't have switched places is the same as saying they would. Nobody really knows because well it didn't happen. the best that can be done is to "assume" And for someone to assume that they would have switched positions is a pretty good assumption if you ask me. If anything could be done wrong with dealing with the development of a QB the 49ers made that mistake.

What I'm saying is Alex Smith is unlikely to have the success Rodgers is experiencing based on his sh*tty skill set. He can't even throw an accurate screen or consistently throw an accurate dumpoff to the RB. Knowing this, do you really think he would be able to do the things that Rodgers does in Green Bay?

Even if we had picked Rodgers and he failed here, I don't believe Alex would be having the success Rodgers is having, so I doubt they'd switch careers.

this is the most depressing thread, but its all true...

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
yes we get it in the past we have made huge personnel mistakes, how does this help us going forward?

OMG Mike Singletary comes into NT!!!!

You could assume that Rodgers would have been a better fit because even in college, Rodgers faced much better competition in the Pac10 than Smith in the MWC. 6 years in and his footwork is embarrassing. He has no pocket presence and no improvisational skills. All these things combined with bad accuracy make him well below the skills of all those other QB's on that list that have about the same amount of time in the league.

We have lowered the bar so low for Smith that the fact that we still cant list 1 thing he does exceptional after 6 years is ridiculous. Now if you want to say that Smith being thrown in immediately while Rodgers was groomed for a few behind Favre, that is a better argument, but still I don't agree because in the body of work that Smith has shown with his inability to make basic throws with regularity and still make the same mental mistakes after 6 years in, he still doesn't look like he would have amounted to anything but what he is now, inconsistent and mediocre.

Originally posted by Ninersdeep:
hindsight is 20/20

if you don't learn from past mistakes your only doomed to repeat them...

taking a look at what might have been is not only interesting but forces us to ask the hard questions like..

why did we evaluate Smith over Rodgers in the first place? (not every team did)
why did we make no effort to aquire another serious QB when Smith had a serious injury?
why did we confidently pass on mcnabb thinking Alex was going to perform well and win games this year when clearly we were dead wrong?

sure hindsight is 20/20 but part of winning and losing in the NFL is scouting and talent evaluation. better teams consistently make the right decisions in the draft, free agency, and in trades. we consistently make the wrong ones. this is at the core of why the product on Sundays is what it is.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Ninersdeep:
hindsight is 20/20

if you don't learn from past mistakes your only doomed to repeat them...

taking a look at what might have been is not only interesting but forces us to ask the hard questions like..

why did we evaluate Smith over Rodgers in the first place? (not every team did)
why did we make no effort to aquire another serious QB when Smith had a serious injury?
why did we confidently pass on mcnabb thinking Alex was going to perform well and win games this year when clearly we were dead wrong?

sure hindsight is 20/20 but part of winning and losing in the NFL is scouting and talent evaluation. better teams consistently make the right decisions in the draft, free agency, and in trades. we consistently make the wrong ones. this is at the core of why the product on Sundays is what it is.

this

We used to be one of those teams way back yonder. Where have those days gone?

uh....sucks to read this ... it is so true tho..

should have, could have... in my oponion, any qb would have struggled with the team we had up to 2 years ago

The Breeeeees

Originally posted by 602_JamestownAve:
You could assume that Rodgers would have been a better fit because even in college, Rodgers faced much better competition in the Pac10 than Smith in the MWC. 6 years in and his footwork is embarrassing. He has no pocket presence and no improvisational skills. All these things combined with bad accuracy make him well below the skills of all those other QB's on that list that have about the same amount of time in the league.

We have lowered the bar so low for Smith that the fact that we still cant list 1 thing he does exceptional after 6 years is ridiculous. Now if you want to say that Smith being thrown in immediately while Rodgers was groomed for a few behind Favre, that is a better argument, but still I don't agree because in the body of work that Smith has shown with his inability to make basic throws with regularity and still make the same mental mistakes after 6 years in, he still doesn't look like he would have amounted to anything but what he is now, inconsistent and mediocre.

This.

Originally posted by Daniel2778:
should have, could have... in my oponion, any qb would have struggled with the team we had up to 2 years ago

run this poll again when alex smith retires...then i will vote.

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by boomer49er:
It really wouldn't have mattered who we had drafted or signed.

We had Dennis Erickson, replaced him with Mike Nolan, and replaced him with Mike Singletary. There is our problem. We haven't had a legit NFL Head Coach on this team in the past decade.

True. But you aren't taking it far enough... Who hires all of those?....

Well......nothing I can do about that one. Until Jed decides that he needs to hire a President of Football Operations and give him full control of the football side of the organization. A Bill Parcels or Mike Holmgren are the obvious examples of this. Find a football guy who knows what you need in a coach.....and won't be wowed by a guy with a bunch of fancy pie charts or a motivational speech.

The interview should be having the candidate go over the Xs and Os, have him break down film right there. See if he can come up with a gameplan.

Yes! Yes! Right now...or tomorrow, but not next year...