Post Game Analysis (vs. Atlanta Falcons)

Originally posted by qwestlove94:
Damnit, were u idiots watching the same game i was, Why are we piling on the coaching staff after a loss that was 100% on the players, if anything your coaching staff did a good job for this game, coaches dont throw it directly to linebackers, coaches dont fumble potential game winning interecptions, all im hearing is singletary this and singletary that. I agree that coach sing should be on the hotseat but anybody who watched the game saw that we were pretty well coached today, and we started a rookie safety who looked pretty good, another testament to our preparation this week. We lost the game because of mistakes made by the players, not the coaching staff.

Coaches make sure players know WTF is going on. Game situations.

When our D went on the field they needed a reminder...get the ball and game is over

Coaches should remind players of this during key drives b/c emotions are high etc and they may forget.

This type of mental mistake cost the SD Chargers a playoff game. Coaches prepare their players. Our HC just makes angry faces

We don't need to go into details really. The obvious disaster is QB of course, but the main problem is that we've shown again that we're a bad team, plain and simple. Bad teams are not necessarily untalented, they just find ways to lose even when playing better than the opposition. Witness Detroit today or vs Philly the other week.

In the mid-90s I lived for a couple of years in Philly and sort of followed the Eagles when the 9ers weren't on (I'm still mildly fond of them when we don't play them). These were the post-Ryan, pre-Reid years. The team were not untalented (Cunningham, Eric Allen, RB by committee with Charlie Garner and the end years of Herschel Walker), and they were not always badly coached in terms of X and Os. Sometimes they got it together like in the infamous 40-8 at Candlestick, but more often than not they just found ways to beat themselves. They were poorly managed (Rich Kotite, need I say more?) and drafted poorly (they drafted the original Mike Mamula and a bunch of awful 1st round linemen like Bernard Williams). In gametime they were a disaster: tons of penalties, awful clock management and lack of discipline. In 94 they started 6 or 7-2 but you just KNEW they were going to blow it: they finished 7-9. That team, like ours now, had a culture of losing. It took a complete change of regime, with a change of ownership to start with, to turn things around. Even then, the first few Jeff Lurie years were also fruitless, until they drafted McNabb.

We also have a culture of losing. All those SB rings, 18 consecutive years of playoffs, HOFers and what have you, mean nothing now. We don't have it any more. This will make it 8 straight seasons of losing and the last serious tilt at a championship was made in 1998. What we need is a change of regime too. And no, this doesn't mean ownership, much as some of us would like it. Nobody is crazy enough to sell a goldmine like an NFL franchise, and even if they needed the money they wouldn't sell when the team sucked and was worth far less than it would normally fetch. We're stuck with the Yorks.

So we clean house below the ownership level AGAIN, and hope we get luckier than last time. I don't need to go into the details that so many others have covered in so many posts. Everyone knows we need a real GM, a real HC rather than a motivational speaker, and a real QB. IN THAT ORDER. I will say is that whoever the new HC is, please let him be an experienced former NFL HC, like Gruden or Billick, and not a former coordinator or college coach. We tried that route and it didn't work. Let the new guy get his new QB, via draft or FA as he prefers. Smith is obviously done as an NFL starter.

Its not rebuilding per se, as the team has loads of talent in many positions. But management must change. QB in my book also sort of belongs to management.

Originally posted by mr2324jgf:

Originally posted by alburns:

Originally posted by Lyrcurguz:

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by Lyrcurguz:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Lyrcurguz:

Originally posted by jeremy300:
You cant blame the QB, no matter how much you dislike him. The Oline lets far to many people in the back field, the WR's are running sloppy, lose routes and falling down because of it.

None of this makes any sense, we have good position coaches on this team, either they all suddenly suck, or dingleberry wont let them do things the right way because its not what he(who knows NOTHING about coaching) wants.

This garbage excuse of a coach is WORSE than Nolan, at least Nolan never had a team with this much talent. We are 0-4, when we should be 4-0 because we got killed by the 2 worse teams, and should have beat the 2 best teams we've played to date.

Until dingleberry is gone, we cant judge this team, because it is stupidly coached........worse ive ever seen

Yeah, the offensive line had Smith throw the ball directly to that linebacker. The offensive line also way overthrew Gore on the tipped pass INT. Give me a break.

both the INT was his (smiths fault) however he led us to a good drive at the end the o line didnt block smith which eventuall led to a punt and game winning drive

i am not defending smith and this is the first loss this season i can say is on him

however i think he acually had the chance to lead us to a bigger lead on the last drive the o line f**ked that up

also nate had a great INT all he had to do was neal or go outo f bounds and we won the game as well

Oh you mean the drive where Smith intentionally grounded us out of FG range? If he sees the blitz he needs to get rid of the ball quick or try to take a short sack and give Nedney a chance at a FG.

Dude hate Alex Smith all you want b/c he has many warts but get your facts straight. He didn't intentionally ground us out of FG range. He was going to take a sack taking us out of FG range regardless of that penalty.

I don't know what the blocking assignment was but that Falcon came untouched up the middle and blew up the play. Gore ran by him but maybe he was supposed to take a quick screen who knows.

Not if he moved up in the pocket to take the sack or tried to run instead of intentional grounding it.

I think Alex played well except for the two big mistakes he had in those INTs. These issues are correctable, but he shouldn't be making these mistakes after 6 years in the league. I still think he can turn it around, but losing my faith rapidly.

Coaching is a huge issue for me. i though the play calling was good, we had more of our big players involved than we have had all season. Still, 7 points on Offense isn't gonna get it done. The Offense went into a play it safe mode way too early. That was the bigger issue, we need to keep our foot on the gas when playing a team like the falcons.

LOL@ "losing my faith rapidly" I think you meant to say... slowly. Rapidly, was 3 years ago...

no, I think this was the year that he no more excuses. He hadn't played enough games with a good enough surrounding cast before this year.

Originally posted by Envy:

Originally posted by Lyrcurguz:

Originally posted by HearstFan:
Besides the anemic offense - the real problem with this team is the defense can't stop teams in the final minutes. This stems entirely from their game philosophy of giving up yards, but stiffening in the red zone. The problem with this philosophy is that at the end of a game, they can't suddenly change modes and stop teams from at least getting into field goal range.

This defensive philosophy is completely ill-matched to a anemic offense. And that is on the coaches for not knowing how to use their team best.

The defense kept us in the lead until the last second. The offense can't score points to help the defense out to save their f**king lives.

Disagree. The front line perhaps show consistent pressure and the LBs dominate the run but the secondary are woeful at best. They have no man coverage skills and even their double teams leave you ashamed.

the defense kept us in the lead until the final play. for 45 minutes they held the lead while the offense didn't score. you're delusional.

Originally posted by sfninerfanMax:
Alex Smith is worse than Steve Deberg and Tim Rattay.
Dennis Erickson's 2004 team with NO talent on offense was a better offense than we have now-----and it is because of the QB play.

Umm id take tim rattay right now, at least hes accurate

Here's some deja vu. It was Roddy White who stripped Dre Bly last year after he came away with the INT.

Excellent effort from Roddy White.

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by Envy:
Certainly more improvement from the offence but then I'm not sure that would have been such an exhaustive task. I believe this is the end for Alex. His fault or not he does not provide this team with a platform to win. He doesn't make any other throws that an average QB shouldn't so it begs any question as to why we persist with his brain farts.

Manusky has a shed load to answer for an even though some people where licking his nuts I think he should be worried about his team. His secondary is vacant on man coverage and worst of all they believe their own hype.

I agree. Manusky gets too much of a pass. His play calls are very questionable at times. Why have T.Brown on White in the most critical part of the game? Why put Mays on the HOF Tony G? Why call a three man rush on 3/15 with ATL pinned at the goal line? Manuskys D always gives up the big play and never holds when it matters most. How could he not tell all his D players that if they get an interception they need to fall on the f**king ball?

Let me remind you the offense went scoreless for over 45 minutes of game. The defense countered that and kept the falcons offense out of the end zone for the entire second half. Those guys played their hearts out with absolutely no help from the O.

Let me remind you that Defences are supposed to stop Offences. Whilst they showed signs of good play they collectively wilted when sensible defending was required. You are only as good as your last play and well . . . 0-4.

Not all the Ds fault mind but lets not lose sight of problems.

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by qwestlove94:
Damnit, were u idiots watching the same game i was, Why are we piling on the coaching staff after a loss that was 100% on the players, if anything your coaching staff did a good job for this game, coaches dont throw it directly to linebackers, coaches dont fumble potential game winning interecptions, all im hearing is singletary this and singletary that. I agree that coach sing should be on the hotseat but anybody who watched the game saw that we were pretty well coached today, and we started a rookie safety who looked pretty good, another testament to our preparation this week. We lost the game because of mistakes made by the players, not the coaching staff.

Coaches make sure players know WTF is going on. Game situations.

When our D went on the field they needed a reminder...get the ball and game is over

Coaches should remind players of this during key drives b/c emotions are high etc and they may forget.

This type of mental mistake cost the SD Chargers a playoff game. Coaches prepare their players. Our HC just makes angry faces

Ok, so wats your point? Nothing you said proved that coaching lost the game, Im sure every defensive coach tells thier players, "hey guys if you happen to get the ball, remember not to fumble it."right? Like I said, THE PLAYERS LOST THE GAME TODAY!!!!!

Look, we had all these expectations and all this confidence on Singletary based mostly if not entirely on his fire as a player, not a coach. Either way, this is the situation the team has put itself in. We had a great opportunity today to at the very least salvage our season. We would have won this game and I would have told you we would be at .500 after he Raiders game. Instead, we're sitting at 0-4 having played another good game just to let it go because of mental errors.

Clements is at fault, Smith is at fault for his lousy decision making ability, our D is to blame solely because they couldn't make stops at the end when you dig deep inside and give it all yout got. But they did keep us in the game so kudos for that. Singletary gets the other piece of the blame solely because he's the head coach and has done nothing to make this team better. He has great talent but can't do anything with it. It's like having a Ron Jeremy D*&^ and not being able to use it because you're too dumb to find the phuckin hole!!! Sorry about that...but I promised not to be pissed anymore because really, this is entertainment. But here I am....pissed.

But that's all I have to say right now...I'm going to enjoy the rest of my Sunday with the fam bam but dang....can the Niners get it together? 2 games back of the rams right now....possibly three from the Cards if they win....if.

I went all over the place I'm not realizing but this is a true post by a Niners fan that is truly crapped out and who will be driving up there next Saturday for the game.....is it even worth it?

Originally posted by Envy:

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by Envy:
Certainly more improvement from the offence but then I'm not sure that would have been such an exhaustive task. I believe this is the end for Alex. His fault or not he does not provide this team with a platform to win. He doesn't make any other throws that an average QB shouldn't so it begs any question as to why we persist with his brain farts.

Manusky has a shed load to answer for an even though some people where licking his nuts I think he should be worried about his team. His secondary is vacant on man coverage and worst of all they believe their own hype.

I agree. Manusky gets too much of a pass. His play calls are very questionable at times. Why have T.Brown on White in the most critical part of the game? Why put Mays on the HOF Tony G? Why call a three man rush on 3/15 with ATL pinned at the goal line? Manuskys D always gives up the big play and never holds when it matters most. How could he not tell all his D players that if they get an interception they need to fall on the f**king ball?

Let me remind you the offense went scoreless for over 45 minutes of game. The defense countered that and kept the falcons offense out of the end zone for the entire second half. Those guys played their hearts out with absolutely no help from the O.

Let me remind you that Defences are supposed to stop Offences. Whilst they showed signs of good play they collectively wilted when sensible defending was required. You are only as good as your last play and well . . . 0-4.

Not all the Ds fault mind but lets not lose sight of problems.

Yeah, the problem is the QB. The defense was on the field for 18 straight plays at the end of the game, after holding the lead for 45 minutes while the offense didn't do s**t. You guys really need to pay attention better.

I think there were a lot of issues but the problem is Nate. I am sorry, if you're supposedly a vet and you can't remember to cover up less than a year after what Dre Bly did...against the same team...then you're are flipping idiot.

Originally posted by Lyrcurguz:

Originally posted by Envy:

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by Envy:
Certainly more improvement from the offence but then I'm not sure that would have been such an exhaustive task. I believe this is the end for Alex. His fault or not he does not provide this team with a platform to win. He doesn't make any other throws that an average QB shouldn't so it begs any question as to why we persist with his brain farts.

Manusky has a shed load to answer for an even though some people where licking his nuts I think he should be worried about his team. His secondary is vacant on man coverage and worst of all they believe their own hype.

I agree. Manusky gets too much of a pass. His play calls are very questionable at times. Why have T.Brown on White in the most critical part of the game? Why put Mays on the HOF Tony G? Why call a three man rush on 3/15 with ATL pinned at the goal line? Manuskys D always gives up the big play and never holds when it matters most. How could he not tell all his D players that if they get an interception they need to fall on the f**king ball?

Let me remind you the offense went scoreless for over 45 minutes of game. The defense countered that and kept the falcons offense out of the end zone for the entire second half. Those guys played their hearts out with absolutely no help from the O.

Let me remind you that Defences are supposed to stop Offences. Whilst they showed signs of good play they collectively wilted when sensible defending was required. You are only as good as your last play and well . . . 0-4.

Not all the Ds fault mind but lets not lose sight of problems.

Yeah, the problem is the QB. The defense was on the field for 18 straight plays at the end of the game, after holding the lead for 45 minutes while the offense didn't do s**t. You guys really need to pay attention better.

Agreed, but about 8-9 of those 18 plays came after nates fumble, he deserves some credit for our defense being on the field too long as well.

Originally posted by eahudson49:
What we learned about our Niners today:

Our season is indeed over. not really. we have two games against the rams and neither the hawks nor the cards are better than us. the cards got smashed in the dome some weeks ago.
We will not win the NFC West. we will see that the next weeks
Jimmy Raye was not our only issue. think the same
Coach Sing is in over his head. its sad but true
Alex Smith is not NFL ready.
We should've kept Sean Hill and let Alex go. yeah right, the guy with the noodle-arm who was hated by everyone last two years at this board??? i dont buy his performances with the lions, especially when i see that the TEs are his best receivers.
We don't miss Michael Lewis. right
Nate's time is over. i wanna kill him for that crappy fumble.
We're good enough to just come close in some games. yeah, that means we dont need a complete rebuild but some smart additions, especially at CB, in the pass rush and perhaps at QB.
The Niners need to wipe the coaching staff slate clean and start over. give them these 4 weeks until the bye...if they dont get a turnaround (at least three wins because neither of the upcoming opponents are that good), you can fire them, get a new staff which has 2 weeks for preparing to the next game.
Now is the time to start looking at possible HC replacements. see my opinion above
The better Bay Area football team is not in SF. the raiders are solid but not that better.
Our season is indeed over. stop annoying.

Any positive's? Only that all away game Sunday's will now be free for me to do other more constructive things.

if you give up on this team after 4 losses though two of them were very tight and against very good opponents, u are not a true niners-fan...just one of these good-weather pussies.

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
Wish we still had Shaun Hill

Hill threw a pick 6 today.

Originally posted by zeppfan1:

Originally posted by CrAnKD4TCRabTree:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Started off great and ended badly. Story of the season.



POSITIVES:

-Mike Johnson will be a good OC.

what makes you think that? We scored 7 points on offense... He made a couple good calls, like that td pass to vd, but we sucked on offense...

We would've scored more hadn't it been for Alex Smith's poor decisions.

+1