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Alex Smith Observation.

Originally posted by TDilvr:
He does throw with a lot of velocity on short to medium throws which causes the ball to bounce harder off of a helmet, hand, shoulder pad etc. giving it more air time for a defender to get to the ball.

I think he's getting better at not putting so much mustard on his shorter throws but it kinda goes in line with the fact that when he 1st came into the league at age 20 he was trying too hard to impress.

Too bad he wasn't afforded clipboard duty for a couple of years behind a solid QB. Oh well. It is what it is and thankfully it seems that he's finally getting it.

I think it has to do with the fact that he is a doofus who does not know how to throw a touch pass after six years in the NFL. Even college QBs like Andrew Luck know how to take something off the ball and still be accurate. Smith is not a playmaker, let's face it. He allows opponents to make plays.

Inaccurate passes to wide open receivers are way more common than with top QBs. Don't point to the occasional inaccurate passes from the top QBs as evidence-- that is a silly argument. What about the incredible throws that Alex simply does not make? Back shoulder passes, looking off defenders, etc. Never see that with Alex. He plays everyone straight up, which is fine in HS and college. Not so good in the NFL.

At any rate, Alex's telegraphing of passes allows defenders to tip balls at the line, and allows defensive backs time to focus in on one receiver. That and the inaccurate balls off his own players' fingertips will get you a lot of "unlucky" picks. This is not bad luck, this is skill on Smith's part. If getting balls tipped and intercepted was a good thing, he would be an All-Pro.
There are a lot of tipped passes around the league. Drew Brees gets a lot tipped because he is short.
Pump fakes opnly work when you're standing alone in the pocket.

If he would have Pump Faked on the 1st Interception The DB would have creamed him on that play. Might have caused a turnover anyway and just may have injured him. On top of that the Line that gave up ZERO sacks would have allowed one.

Sadly there is no fix for tipped passes other than the Receiver not tipping the ball up.

I was taught LONG AGO that if you can only get one hand on it to knock it down to keep the Opposing D from getting it. To me this is what NEEDS to be done but Sullivan is too much of a retard to preach this to his unit. That and he fails miserably to preach technique.

Frank should have knocked it down so this one is not Sullivan's fault, but this should be drilled on in practice. Nobody can tell me that they catch every pass thrown in Practice. So they should be drilling this every day of the season.

~Ceadder
Someone please take away Smokie's keyboard.

He's on a mission to embarrass the Anti Smith establishment and while it makes for funny reading, it's getting a bit annoying to see his ignorant rantings.

Please do everyone a favor and take that goofball's keyboard away.

~Ceadder
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Pump fakes opnly work when you're standing alone in the pocket.

If he would have Pump Faked on the 1st Interception The DB would have creamed him on that play. Might have caused a turnover anyway and just may have injured him. On top of that the Line that gave up ZERO sacks would have allowed one.

Sadly there is no fix for tipped passes other than the Receiver not tipping the ball up.

I was taught LONG AGO that if you can only get one hand on it to knock it down to keep the Opposing D from getting it. To me this is what NEEDS to be done but Sullivan is too much of a retard to preach this to his unit. That and he fails miserably to preach technique.

Frank should have knocked it down so this one is not Sullivan's fault, but this should be drilled on in practice. Nobody can tell me that they catch every pass thrown in Practice. So they should be drilling this every day of the season.

~Ceadder
Originally posted by Smokie:
Originally posted by TDilvr:
He does throw with a lot of velocity on short to medium throws which causes the ball to bounce harder off of a helmet, hand, shoulder pad etc. giving it more air time for a defender to get to the ball.

I think he's getting better at not putting so much mustard on his shorter throws but it kinda goes in line with the fact that when he 1st came into the league at age 20 he was trying too hard to impress.

Too bad he wasn't afforded clipboard duty for a couple of years behind a solid QB. Oh well. It is what it is and thankfully it seems that he's finally getting it.

I think it has to do with the fact that he is a doofus who does not know how to throw a touch pass after six years in the NFL. Even college QBs like Andrew Luck know how to take something off the ball and still be accurate. Smith is not a playmaker, let's face it. He allows opponents to make plays.

Inaccurate passes to wide open receivers are way more common than with top QBs. Don't point to the occasional inaccurate passes from the top QBs as evidence-- that is a silly argument. What about the incredible throws that Alex simply does not make? Back shoulder passes, looking off defenders, etc. Never see that with Alex. He plays everyone straight up, which is fine in HS and college. Not so good in the NFL.

At any rate, Alex's telegraphing of passes allows defenders to tip balls at the line, and allows defensive backs time to focus in on one receiver. That and the inaccurate balls off his own players' fingertips will get you a lot of "unlucky" picks. This is not bad luck, this is skill on Smith's part. If getting balls tipped and intercepted was a good thing, he would be an All-Pro.

dude.

Who the f*ck are you?

Second of all, Smith has made some incredible throws during his career. How about that TD pass to Crabtree against Greenbay last year where he threw a nice arching pass that crabs was able to outjump GB's pro-bowl CB for?

That's the first example that comes to mind and it's exactly the type of throw you claim he has never made. Secondly, how do you know he's telegraphing passes? Are you watching game tape that shows the passing lanes and the whole field? Didn't think so. Dude it's clear your a blind alex hater because your argument does not flow from logic, but rather emotion.

Second of all, back shoulder throws require tremendously skilled receivers - something the 9ers have not had until recently (VD). It's funny how you didn't seem to notice how Alex threw some back shoulder throws to Vernon Davis last year. More proof that you don't know what you are talking about.

Every year when the season starts ninertalk gets an influx of new posters and ALL of them post this same kind of crap. It's all reactionary and people spouting off their opinions like they are fact. Get in line, you are not special. You are just another ninertalk noob that doesn't know anything about football.

edit: I see that you joined 6 days ago and already have 107 posts? Are you kidding me? you post almost 15 times a day? You need to talk about football less, and watch football more before you come back here.

[ Edited by norcal49er864 on Sep 22, 2010 at 14:10:54 ]
small hands?
Quite frankly a lot of the arguments in here are stupid. The tipped at the line of scrimmage ones are the exception if you look at his career. He has had a lot of tipped passes by WR's and TE's because our guys have not had great hands. VD improved his hands and now we have Crabtree. But in the past he had scrub WR's who bounced the ball straight up into the air for the pick. And we still have the problem somewhat.

But you guys are reading too much into the past when we had terrible WR's. It's why we drafted Crab #10 overall. And why Davis works after practice for an hour on the jugs machines. Because our guys used to be non sure handed. It has improved somewhat but it's still not perfect on this team.

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Of course, a pump fake means the OL has to hold their blocks in pass protection that much longer.

I'm not sure if more of Smith's INTs come off tipped balls or not. I'm sure someone somewhere has those stats.

Yes, he had two in the Saints game but one was at the line and one was as a result of Gore tipping the ball. Those are different circumstances. His throw to Gore could have been better. The tip at the line seemed to just be a very good play.

Against Seattle, one he threw straight to a Seahawks DB and the other got tipped by Crabtree (I think). Both were the result of either just bad throws/reads or Smith and Crabtree not being on the same page or some combination of the two depending on who you believe.

Especially with tipped balls at the line, there is some luck involved. I think the 49ers actually got their hands on more of Brees' passes but they all got batted straight down to the ground for an incomplete pass.

It may just seem that way because the last 2 games are fresh in everyone's memory but it represents a small sample size and it could even out throughout the rest of the year.
Originally posted by 49Gorillas:
Originally posted by Super9er81:
Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
two words. Ball placement.

I think this may have something to do with some it. From what I watched when he misses its usually high which will lead to tipped balls which are always dangerous. I think you could say that about the one Gore tipped, not so much the other one though. I think its an issue, not a monumental one but something he could try and tweak.


There is also the idea that Crabtree isn't on the same page as Alex given that 3 out of the 4 INT's are Crabtree intended passes.

That may be true, but against the Saints that problem didn't cause the INT. The interception on the pass thrown to Crabtree was deflected by a DE who had dropped into coverage. There was no indication that Crabs wasn't where he was expected to be.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
There are a lot of tipped passes around the league. Drew Brees gets a lot tipped because he is short.

Smith has thrown 16 ints since 09. Of those 16, I'd say about 8-10 are off of tips.

That's pretty weird to say the least. It seems to happen to Smith more than anyone else.
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
There are a lot of tipped passes around the league. Drew Brees gets a lot tipped because he is short.

Smith has thrown 16 ints since 09. Of those 16, I'd say about 8-10 are off of tips.

That's pretty weird to say the least. It seems to happen to Smith more than anyone else.

Quite frankly a lot of the arguments in here are stupid. The tipped at the line of scrimmage ones are the exception if you look at his career. He has had a lot of tipped passes by WR's and TE's because our guys have not had great hands. VD improved his hands and now we have Crabtree. But in the past he had scrub WR's who bounced the ball straight up into the air for the pick. And we still have the problem somewhat.

But you guys are reading too much into the past when we had terrible WR's. It's why we drafted Crab #10 overall. And why Davis works after practice for an hour on the jugs machines. Because our guys used to be non sure handed. It has improved somewhat but it's still not perfect on this team.
And it's not just Alex "can't throw touch passes.." Look at the pre season game vs Indy. He threw the ball and it hit Delanies hands, gets tipped, and picked off.

Smith does need to improve his touch passes however the receivers need to do a better job of not confusing football with volleyball.
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
And it's not just Alex "can't throw touch passes.." Look at the pre season game vs Indy. He threw the ball and it hit Delanies hands, gets tipped, and picked off.

Smith does need to improve his touch passes however the receivers need to do a better job of not confusing football with volleyball.

They like volleyball on this team.
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