Alex Smith Observation.

Consistency?????????????






But he has demonstrated that. He consistently sucked for years.

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
I think we've been using Alex all wrong. He doesn't fit in a ground and pound run first offense. He's a guy that needs to get going and early in the game. Everytime we run run run then go for broke it never ends up well.

We need just be aggressive in the passing game and let Smith get into a rhythm from the get go.

AKA use the pass to set up the run.

Originally posted by verb1der:
I think it's just the luck of the draw, it happens a lot around the league.

Defensive lineman are definitely getting better at tipping balls.

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
I think we've been using Alex all wrong. He doesn't fit in a ground and pound run first offense. He's a guy that needs to get going and early in the game. Everytime we run run run then go for broke it never ends up well.

We need just be aggressive in the passing game and let Smith get into a rhythm from the get go.

AKA use the pass to set up the run.

This, but if we have learned anything... whenever our offense looks good in a game, the next game begins with the same predictable playcalls.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
And I hate to break it to you, folks.. But Alex's passing average on the day was better than all of the following "good" QB's last week:

Brees
Matt Ryan
Palmer
Flacco
Brady
Sanchez
Garrard
Eli Manning
Hasselbeck
Romo
Favre
Shaun Hill (yes, even the beloved Shaun Hill).

And he was right on par with Rodgers and Cutler as well. Guys.. he didn't get his high completion percentage by dinking it around.. He actually PLAYED a GOOD GAME. For fricks sake, give credit where credit is due.

Too many times are people trying to do anything to take away credit to feed and support their own biased viewpoints.

He did have a good game and was accurate, but there was one name on your list that he didn't beat out:
Smith - 23/32 = 71.88%
Brees - 28/38 = 73.68%

The QBs that were more accurate than him on Monday were:
Schaub
McNabb
Brees
Rivers
Cutler
P. Manning

It puts him in 7th for the week, but that is some elite company. There are still some things to clean up to improve his other rankings.

-Total Yards: Alex is 9th overall
-Total TDs: Alex is 18th
-Total INTs: Alex is 9th (or 23 from the bottom is how I see it)
-QB Rating: Alex ranked 16th
Lets see how he stands next week against a weaker defense.
Pass Yds/Gm (25th)
Total Yds/Gm (24th)

I expect a better performance.

dude where are you getting your stats??

Alex is NOT 16th in QB rating he's 23rd...

NOT 9th in INT's only 1 QB in football has MORE (Flacco)... that puts him tied for second to last...

he's not 9th in yards like you say...

he's not 18th in TDs like you say...

are you just looking at Week 2 and if so WHY? looking at the whole season paints a more complete picture

Source: http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing

Dude, because what's in discussion is the bolded dude. Nothing else. We all know he's blown huge donkey dick the rest of his career.

I agree that he's not great and didn't even have a great game. He had a good game, but nothing else. Go back and look at all of my previous rants in other threads on the topic dude.

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
And I hate to break it to you, folks.. But Alex's passing average on the day was better than all of the following "good" QB's last week:

Brees
Matt Ryan
Palmer
Flacco
Brady
Sanchez
Garrard
Eli Manning
Hasselbeck
Romo
Favre
Shaun Hill (yes, even the beloved Shaun Hill).

And he was right on par with Rodgers and Cutler as well. Guys.. he didn't get his high completion percentage by dinking it around.. He actually PLAYED a GOOD GAME. For fricks sake, give credit where credit is due.

Too many times are people trying to do anything to take away credit to feed and support their own biased viewpoints.

He did have a good game and was accurate, but there was one name on your list that he didn't beat out:
Smith - 23/32 = 71.88%
Brees - 28/38 = 73.68%

The QBs that were more accurate than him on Monday were:
Schaub
McNabb
Brees
Rivers
Cutler
P. Manning

It puts him in 7th for the week, but that is some elite company. There are still some things to clean up to improve his other rankings.

-Total Yards: Alex is 9th overall
-Total TDs: Alex is 18th
-Total INTs: Alex is 9th (or 23 from the bottom is how I see it)
-QB Rating: Alex ranked 16th

Lets see how he stands next week against a weaker defense.
Pass Yds/Gm (25th)
Total Yds/Gm (24th)

I expect a better performance.

once you start comparing career stats instead of a sample size of 1 or 2 games, all the comparisons to the great QBs and even the good QBs fall apart like wet toilet paper. the point is that Smith needs to demonstrate CONSISTENCY.

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
I think we've been using Alex all wrong. He doesn't fit in a ground and pound run first offense. He's a guy that needs to get going and early in the game. Everytime we run run run then go for broke it never ends up well.

We need just be aggressive in the passing game and let Smith get into a rhythm from the get go.

AKA use the pass to set up the run.

This, but if we have learned anything... whenever our offense looks good in a game, the next game begins with the same predictable playcalls.

Exactly. It's so annoying. Everyone expects timid playcalling from us until our backs are against the wall.

Everyone knows the Saints are a pass happy team but they still can't be stopped. I know they are loaded with talent, etc but they (along with other elite teams) SET the tone and tempo and force others to adjust. Niners always seem to be adjusting to everyone else.

We just need to "do what we do" best and keep doing it. Be aggressive, set the tempo from second 1. When was the last time we chucked the ball deep down the middle to Vernon on 1st and 10, 1st possession, 14:45 in 1st qtr..?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by dtcomposer:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by dtcomposer:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by ninerbrand:
I am not sure who else has noticed this, but it seems to me that Alex Smith's interception 90% of the time come off of tipped balls. Especially, this year. Both passes in Mondays game that were picked were off tips. One of his two from Seattle. I have noticed this since he came into the league in '05. The ball just kind of has a knack for finding a defender.

Why do you think he gets so many tipped balls?
What do you guys think can fix this?

My Suggestion: Pump fake. Throw not only the D-Line but the secondaries to delay their reactions.

ninerbrand(on)

1: because he is innacurate
2: nothing can fix it that 6 years hasnt already

Yeah 71.9% completion percentage is totally unacceptable, we should cut him now and you can start at QB for us, since you are the expert.

71.9% completion percentage which consists of 2-3 yard passes to receivers is nothing to boast about, my ffriend. Correct me if Im wrong, but didnt the drive that led to our first TD consist of 3 pass plays to the FLATS (Gore) that led to a TD. You think that Raye called those plays and told Alex to make sure he passed to Gore on 3 consecutive plays, or do you think it's more feasible that Alex checked down too quick, panicked, and passed to the underneath guy. Thank God for Frank Gore, or those chains wouldnt have budged on that drive.

Nice twist on the 71.9% though. You almost had me convinced.......

your posts are a joke. Smith completed several long passes in the second half. Smith didn't look panicked at all in that game. He stayed in the pocket quite a bit, and didn't force that many balls (remember he did have the fairly deep throw to Vernon that wasn't completed as well, but was PI). Yes, let's also diminish his game because he got the ball to our best threat quite a bit.

Have you ever heard of the prevent defense? Teams tend to run that on the last drive of a game. Forcing deep throws in to that kind of coverage kind of plays right in to their hands.

While smith has not been historically very accurate, it seems that he is becoming more accurate as he gains confidence in his knowledge of the offense, and has more time to throw.

He's played something like 42 games, right? You can't take one good game (following a previous game where he laid eggs all over the field) and call it a trend. That's borderline masturbation.

Shaj,

Please read my posts. You know that I'm not saying that he is going to be some world beater every week. ZRF is just trolling and can't admit that Smith was accurate the other night. I agree that historically he has not been very accurate. I also have seen that his accuracy has improved over the last 10 or so games that he has played to the point where it isn't really the issue that everyone likes to bring up.

Did you miss week 1's game ? Did you miss the Tennessee, Arizona, and Philly games last year ?

Did you miss that when Alex has time to throw.. he wins games?

Do you realize that the QBs that win SB's are the ones that can make plays when they don't have time to throw?

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
And I hate to break it to you, folks.. But Alex's passing average on the day was better than all of the following "good" QB's last week:

Brees
Matt Ryan
Palmer
Flacco
Brady
Sanchez
Garrard
Eli Manning
Hasselbeck
Romo
Favre
Shaun Hill (yes, even the beloved Shaun Hill).

And he was right on par with Rodgers and Cutler as well. Guys.. he didn't get his high completion percentage by dinking it around.. He actually PLAYED a GOOD GAME. For fricks sake, give credit where credit is due.

Too many times are people trying to do anything to take away credit to feed and support their own biased viewpoints.

Matt Lienart completed 80% of his passes in the preseason before getting beat out by Anderson. You wanna sign him too? You do realize that Comp % is not the best stat to measure good QB play.

I agree that Alex did play a good game and was as accurate as he has ever been. However, that doesn't make him one of the more accurate passers in the NFL. In fact I would say he is far closer to the bottom than he is to the top in that area.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
And I hate to break it to you, folks.. But Alex's passing average on the day was better than all of the following "good" QB's last week:

Brees
Matt Ryan
Palmer
Flacco
Brady
Sanchez
Garrard
Eli Manning
Hasselbeck
Romo
Favre
Shaun Hill (yes, even the beloved Shaun Hill).

And he was right on par with Rodgers and Cutler as well. Guys.. he didn't get his high completion percentage by dinking it around.. He actually PLAYED a GOOD GAME. For fricks sake, give credit where credit is due.

Too many times are people trying to do anything to take away credit to feed and support their own biased viewpoints.

Matt Lienart completed 80% of his passes in the preseason before getting beat out by Anderson. You wanna sign him too? You do realize that Comp % is not the best stat to measure good QB play.

I agree that Alex did play a good game and was as accurate as he has ever been. However, that doesn't make him one of the more accurate passers in the NFL. In fact I would say he is far closer to the bottom than he is to the top in that area.

Leinart was beat out because he couldn't move the ball.

For his first three seasons (2005, 2006, and 2007), Smith was not accurate - though his second year wasn't bad. However in 2008 he got a lot better, completing 60% of his passes. This year he appears to improve further. However because of the bulk of his attempts were still in the first three years - 800 attempts out of around 1240, it'll take a while before his career numbers become respectable even if he plays the rest of the season with very high percentage of completions.

Therefore the best judgement of Smith's performances should be on what he will do moving forward: his ability to play consistently well and win games rather than on what his career numbers look like.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
And I hate to break it to you, folks.. But Alex's passing average on the day was better than all of the following "good" QB's last week:

Brees
Matt Ryan
Palmer
Flacco
Brady
Sanchez
Garrard
Eli Manning
Hasselbeck
Romo
Favre
Shaun Hill (yes, even the beloved Shaun Hill).

And he was right on par with Rodgers and Cutler as well. Guys.. he didn't get his high completion percentage by dinking it around.. He actually PLAYED a GOOD GAME. For fricks sake, give credit where credit is due.

Too many times are people trying to do anything to take away credit to feed and support their own biased viewpoints.

Matt Lienart completed 80% of his passes in the preseason before getting beat out by Anderson. You wanna sign him too? You do realize that Comp % is not the best stat to measure good QB play.

I agree that Alex did play a good game and was as accurate as he has ever been. However, that doesn't make him one of the more accurate passers in the NFL. In fact I would say he is far closer to the bottom than he is to the top in that area.

What scares me is that everyone is labeling this as one of his best games ever, and we're talking about a 1TD 2INT performance....

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
And I hate to break it to you, folks.. But Alex's passing average on the day was better than all of the following "good" QB's last week:

Brees
Matt Ryan
Palmer
Flacco
Brady
Sanchez
Garrard
Eli Manning
Hasselbeck
Romo
Favre
Shaun Hill (yes, even the beloved Shaun Hill).

And he was right on par with Rodgers and Cutler as well. Guys.. he didn't get his high completion percentage by dinking it around.. He actually PLAYED a GOOD GAME. For fricks sake, give credit where credit is due.

Too many times are people trying to do anything to take away credit to feed and support their own biased viewpoints.

Matt Lienart completed 80% of his passes in the preseason before getting beat out by Anderson. You wanna sign him too? You do realize that Comp % is not the best stat to measure good QB play.

I agree that Alex did play a good game and was as accurate as he has ever been. However, that doesn't make him one of the more accurate passers in the NFL. In fact I would say he is far closer to the bottom than he is to the top in that area.

What scares me is that everyone is labeling this as one of his best games ever, and we're talking about a 1TD 2INT performance....

did yoiu watch the game or did you watch something come back and just see the stats?

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
And I hate to break it to you, folks.. But Alex's passing average on the day was better than all of the following "good" QB's last week:

Brees
Matt Ryan
Palmer
Flacco
Brady
Sanchez
Garrard
Eli Manning
Hasselbeck
Romo
Favre
Shaun Hill (yes, even the beloved Shaun Hill).

And he was right on par with Rodgers and Cutler as well. Guys.. he didn't get his high completion percentage by dinking it around.. He actually PLAYED a GOOD GAME. For fricks sake, give credit where credit is due.

Too many times are people trying to do anything to take away credit to feed and support their own biased viewpoints.

Matt Lienart completed 80% of his passes in the preseason before getting beat out by Anderson. You wanna sign him too? You do realize that Comp % is not the best stat to measure good QB play.

I agree that Alex did play a good game and was as accurate as he has ever been. However, that doesn't make him one of the more accurate passers in the NFL. In fact I would say he is far closer to the bottom than he is to the top in that area.

What scares me is that everyone is labeling this as one of his best games ever, and we're talking about a 1TD 2INT performance....

did yoiu watch the game or did you watch something come back and just see the stats?

I saw the game. I also saw the game in 06 vs. Seattle on Thursday night. I also saw the game against the Rams in 07. I also saw the game against Houston in the 2nd half last year. Whats your point ? That I should forget everything thats happened in between those games.........

I said it before, and will do so again. Give alex an OL, ( i was hoping for a decent OL, and then we landed not only AD but also poti),and watch what a good qb he will become. I have never sided with or against alex saying that he cannot be judged until he has a functioning OL in front of him. As fascinating as last game was, the question is , is it reproducible? Biggest ?? are :

will JR bring his A game? If not, and we "ram it down their throats", we lose.

will bigmike bring his A game. " " " " " " " " " "

will OL with staley, poti, AD, make the two guys around them, C and OG, block like
in NO game?

will craps be able to focus for 60 minutes?

and lastly, will alex put 2 great games in a row together, or as Kolohe says, alex has had good games and then been disappointingly terrible.

Should the OL, the HC/OC/ MJ/ solari/ and alex all plan together, play together, and then let alex take over when the game is on the line, i predict what we saw on MNF is the real alex. I give tons of credit to solari, bigRay, and esp MJ. If JR and BM could just get out of the way, i expect a W on Sun.

Here's a thot: It obviously was way better for aaron rodgers to bench sit 4 yrs behind Favre, than it was for alex to start behind some crappy coaches and no OL. With our now redone OL, can alex make up the gap created by rodgers being brot up the way he was in GB, and the horrid way alex was brot up here?

41-7(or was that zero?). Man i'd love to stick that one on KC with the roles reversed. Talentwise i think we can. Coaching proved in NO they ARE capable. To be really great coaches, and winners, BM now has to reverse the fluffs on Punts, the high snap into endzone, the 10 men on the field on O...you know, the little things that have killed us in times past, butand still remain. My gut says we get it all together, and with a few bumps in the road, have a good rest of the yr.

Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
And I hate to break it to you, folks.. But Alex's passing average on the day was better than all of the following "good" QB's last week:

Brees
Matt Ryan
Palmer
Flacco
Brady
Sanchez
Garrard
Eli Manning
Hasselbeck
Romo
Favre
Shaun Hill (yes, even the beloved Shaun Hill).

And he was right on par with Rodgers and Cutler as well. Guys.. he didn't get his high completion percentage by dinking it around.. He actually PLAYED a GOOD GAME. For fricks sake, give credit where credit is due.

Too many times are people trying to do anything to take away credit to feed and support their own biased viewpoints.

He did have a good game and was accurate, but there was one name on your list that he didn't beat out:
Smith - 23/32 = 71.88%
Brees - 28/38 = 73.68%

The QBs that were more accurate than him on Monday were:
Schaub
McNabb
Brees
Rivers
Cutler
P. Manning

It puts him in 7th for the week, but that is some elite company. There are still some things to clean up to improve his other rankings.

-Total Yards: Alex is 9th overall
-Total TDs: Alex is 18th
-Total INTs: Alex is 9th (or 23 from the bottom is how I see it)
-QB Rating: Alex ranked 16th
Lets see how he stands next week against a weaker defense.
Pass Yds/Gm (25th)
Total Yds/Gm (24th)

I expect a better performance.

dude where are you getting your stats??

Alex is NOT 16th in QB rating he's 23rd...

NOT 9th in INT's only 1 QB in football has MORE (Flacco)... that puts him tied for second to last...

he's not 9th in yards like you say...

he's not 18th in TDs like you say...

are you just looking at Week 2 and if so WHY? looking at the whole season paints a more complete picture

Source: http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing

Dude, because what's in discussion is the bolded dude. Nothing else. We all know he's blown huge donkey dick the rest of his career.

I agree that he's not great and didn't even have a great game. He had a good game, but nothing else. Go back and look at all of my previous rants in other threads on the topic dude.

I'm not talking about his career just this season. You're stats are just pulled out of thin air. They are not correct.

This is not 'Nam there are rules. If you are going to post stats they should be correct. Am I wrong here??