John Clayton's take on Alex Smith

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
Not bothered reading through everything in this thread. But anyways, Smiths had 2% higher completion percentage than Matt Ryan. So that means he is inaccurate and his receivers bail him out, and Ryan is super accurate and his probowl talented receivers (roddy white and future hall of famer tony gonzalez) drop everything? Hmmmm

Why do you pretend that we don't have talent.

Vernon Davis > Tony Gonzalez

We also have one of the best receiving backs out of the backfield and Michael Crabtree.

We do have talent, its just that Atlanta has better talent. Speaking strictly of last season and not future seasons, I would have taken Tony Gonzalaz, Roddy White, Michael Jenkins, Mularkey at OC and their oline over Vernon, rookie Crabtree, Josh Morgan, Jimmy Raye and our oline.

And to repeat again, I think Ryan is better than Smith. Just saying its weird how Clayton phrased his answer.

John Clayton is a Tool. With that being said, he shares a similar opinion on Alex with many other sports reporters. Lets be honest I want Alex to shut people up as much as the next but up until this point what has he shown us? he has shown is just enough for him to be named the starter and fans to except that.
But Alex does have a throw every now and then that is just simply off. He is usually good for 2 to 4 of them a game. Im not talking about deep passes ether, passes inside of 15 yards and your blind or on crazy pills if you don't see them.

With what Alex has shown to date I would have probably said 5-10% chance of becoming elite... but zero is a slap in the face... think of this, People were saying Jay cutler was elite 2 years ago, now he is the interception king of the NFL and he makes plays that are total head scratcher's.

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
Not bothered reading through everything in this thread. But anyways, Smiths had 2% higher completion percentage than Matt Ryan. So that means he is inaccurate and his receivers bail him out, and Ryan is super accurate and his probowl talented receivers (roddy white and future hall of famer tony gonzalez) drop everything? Hmmmm

Why do you pretend that we don't have talent.

Vernon Davis > Tony Gonzalez

We also have one of the best receiving backs out of the backfield and Michael Crabtree.

We do have talent, its just that Atlanta has better talent. Speaking strictly of last season and not future seasons, I would have taken Tony Gonzalaz, Roddy White, Michael Jenkins, Mularkey at OC and their oline over Vernon, rookie Crabtree, Josh Morgan, Jimmy Raye and our oline.

And to repeat again, I think Ryan is better than Smith. Just saying its weird how Clayton phrased his answer.

Their O line was banged up pretty badly last season. So was Ryan and Michael Turner for that matter. When their team is healthy you might be right, but it wasn't the case last year.

shoulda drafted Aaron R.

Originally posted by SoCal9ers:
shoulda drafted Aaron R.

Thank goodness its wednesday, its like training camp where people are glad for the first pre game cause they need to hit someone else. Relax guys, we will finally see if Alex can do it.

There was an article about singletary making the niners Bears West out of the niners, and a good point about Mcmahon, his stats were great, less than 200/game and 18 TDs, but he made plays when he had to. If Alex can do that, the niners can go along way. As I have said before, it is his inconsistency in the past that has killed the offense, I don't care if he is only 50% passer, it is when he completes those 50%.

Example he gets only 5 yards on third down on one pass play and we are short of a 1st. Take that same 5 yards when it is 4 or les yards and its a first down, especially if we are at the 50 yard line and maybe instead of punting, maybe we get a field goal or maybe a TD.

That is what I am hoping from AS.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
Not bothered reading through everything in this thread. But anyways, Smiths had 2% higher completion percentage than Matt Ryan. So that means he is inaccurate and his receivers bail him out, and Ryan is super accurate and his probowl talented receivers (roddy white and future hall of famer tony gonzalez) drop everything? Hmmmm

Why do you pretend that we don't have talent.

Vernon Davis > Tony Gonzalez

We also have one of the best receiving backs out of the backfield and Michael Crabtree.

We do have talent, its just that Atlanta has better talent. Speaking strictly of last season and not future seasons, I would have taken Tony Gonzalaz, Roddy White, Michael Jenkins, Mularkey at OC and their oline over Vernon, rookie Crabtree, Josh Morgan, Jimmy Raye and our oline.

And to repeat again, I think Ryan is better than Smith. Just saying its weird how Clayton phrased his answer.

Their O line was banged up pretty badly last season. So was Ryan and Michael Turner for that matter. When their team is healthy you might be right, but it wasn't the case last year.

And our #1 WR was a rookie, with zero practice with the team, Vernon didn't really turn it on until Alex took over. Whens its all said and done, I think Ryan had a better siruation last year, yet by the numbers Smith was slightly better.

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
Not bothered reading through everything in this thread. But anyways, Smiths had 2% higher completion percentage than Matt Ryan. So that means he is inaccurate and his receivers bail him out, and Ryan is super accurate and his probowl talented receivers (roddy white and future hall of famer tony gonzalez) drop everything? Hmmmm

you know you're comparing Matt Ryan's year 2 stats to Alex Smith's year 5 stats, right? If you compare just their year 1 stats, this discussion would be OVER. No GM in the league would take Smith over Ryan. Get real.

Shaj, I love ya man, but dude you have got to get over this!!!

Originally posted by SoCal9ers:
shoulda drafted Tom Brady

Originally posted by SoCal9ers:
shoulda drafted Aaron R.

This

Originally posted by 9erfan4life:

Originally posted by SoCal9ers:
shoulda drafted Tom Brady

Coulda shoulda woulda-who knew?! Kurt Warner, Tony Romo etc.

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by Shaj:

I don't have blind hate, I am impatient and results oriented.

Which is just another way of stating that you can't or simply refuse to take the time to actually see WHY things happened the way they did. Fans can afford to be that myopic. A coaching staff paid to bring success can not... do not... and will not. (thankfully)

I can tell you that of all the *many* Fortune 50 business executives I personally know (and the NFL is a business as well), none of them tolerate excuses for why success wasn't reached. Not one. The ones who do get quickly demoted out of executive positions, if not out of the company. Maybe you guys aren't familiar with this mindset. It's the only one I know. If you make excuses, you are already setting yourself up to fail. Didn't the great Bill Walsh get demoted from VP and coach or GM and coach to Coach only by Eddie D a couple of times when he didn't make it to the superbowl? I'm sure I read that in one of Glenn Dickey's books. The great ones do not tolerate excuses or explanations. They only tolerate greatness, and nothing less.

Did you read the business news lately? Since when CEOs are punished for their mistakes? Sure. Some of them are fired when the going gets tough for the boards of directors, but the guys are given millions of dollars to cool their heels until the musical chair game takes them to the next job.

Originally posted by WildBill:

Originally posted by 9erfan4life:

Originally posted by SoCal9ers:
shoulda drafted Tom Brady

Coulda shoulda woulda-who knew?! Kurt Warner, Tony Romo etc.

yeah and Alex could win a super bowl cause you cant see the fewcha!

Originally posted by 9erfan4life:

Originally posted by WildBill:

Originally posted by 9erfan4life:

Originally posted by SoCal9ers:
shoulda drafted Tom Brady

Coulda shoulda woulda-who knew?! Kurt Warner, Tony Romo etc.

yeah and Alex could win a super bowl cause you cant see the fewcha!

Neither can you, its easy to be an arm chair QB/coach, if you could, you woulda been the top player personell guy for the niners and I would be kiss'n your arse for leading the niner nation to umpteen SuperBowls.

If I could, I woulda bought the niners from winning all those lotteries too and giving away some free tickets to webzone fanatics-hahaha

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Q: Alex Smith might be going into his sixth season, but he's only had two seasons of more than 200 attempts. He put up 18 TDs, 2,350 yards and a 60.5 completion percentage in his 10½ games last year behind one of the worst O-lines in football, and had a higher QB rating than a quarterback you listed as elite, Matt Ryan. But you give him a no chance of becoming an elite QB. Why?

Anthony in Bay Area, Calif.

A: Accuracy. I know he has his completion percentage up to 60.5, but he doesn't place the ball as accurately as the quarterbacks I rated above him. Smith tends to throw passes that are a little behind or a little ahead of a receiver. Remember, the receiving corps around him is very good and they catch more bad balls than most other teams. I think Smith is as good as he's going to get.

Clayton has yet to be disproved. Accuracy is Smith's fatal flaw. We're in year 6 and this charade is still going on.