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How much we would save if Nate and Others were cut

If cut in 2011:

Adam Snyder: Save $2M, and a Dead Money hit of $100K

Moran Norris: Save $1.5M and dead hit of $334K

If cut in 2010:

Jason Hill: Save $510K and dead hit of $229K

Tony Wragge: save $808K and dead hit of $175K

Barry Sims: Save $855K but dead hit of $1.245M

Now Nate Clements

If cut prior to June 1st we save $4.584M in 2011, $11.167M in 2012 and $11.27M in 2013, with a dead hit of $6.584M in 2011.

Or if cut after june 1st we save $7.25M in 2011, $8.603M in 2012 and $11.27M in 2013, with dead hits of $3.917M in 2011 and $2.667M in 2012. With no Hit in 2013.
I can see the team keeping Wragge and Sims in 2011. Not sure if Jason Hill will survive the cut to 53 this year though...
Why would we consider cutting our starting CB and FB? This isn't 7 or 8 years ago - it's not like we're in any salary cap crunch!
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
If cut in 2011:

Adam Snyder: Save $2M, and a Dead Money hit of $100K

Moran Norris: Save $1.5M and dead hit of $334K

If cut in 2010:

Jason Hill: Save $510K and dead hit of $229K

Tony Wragge: save $808K and dead hit of $175K

Barry Sims: Save $855K but dead hit of $1.245M

Now Nate Clements

If cut prior to June 1st we save $4.584M in 2011, $11.167M in 2012 and $11.27M in 2013, with a dead hit of $6.584M in 2011.

Or if cut after june 1st we save $7.25M in 2011, $8.603M in 2012 and $11.27M in 2013, with dead hits of $3.917M in 2011 and $2.667M in 2012. With no Hit in 2013.

Until CBA is created-mute point since we don't know what is going to be on the table-cap wise with veterans and rookies.
Originally posted by RDB4216:
Why would we consider cutting our starting CB and FB? This isn't 7 or 8 years ago - it's not like we're in any salary cap crunch!

1. Norris is getting older, and not his old self.

2. Clements is making way too much for a guy who blows too much coverage wise.

Plus if released or restructured, we could get Goldson and Lawson or Franklin signed long term. In addition to VD, Alex and McDonald.
Originally posted by RDB4216:
Why would we consider cutting our starting CB and FB? This isn't 7 or 8 years ago - it's not like we're in any salary cap crunch!

You would if you found someone better and at a cheaper price. No need to keep two FBs when all you need is one...
That is some startling info on Clements... but no, elite CB or not, we still need him this season.
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Get rid of Hill. I sure wish we could upgrade Norris. Are there any Tom Rathmans or William Floyds out there?
I don't feel that we have the depth or experience yet at CB to cut Clements outright in 2011, would restructure him and draft a replacement to take over eventually.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by RDB4216:
Why would we consider cutting our starting CB and FB? This isn't 7 or 8 years ago - it's not like we're in any salary cap crunch!

1. Norris is getting older, and not his old self.

2. Clements is making way too much for a guy who blows too much coverage wise.

Plus if released or restructured, we could get Goldson and Lawson or Franklin signed long term. In addition to VD, Alex and McDonald.


That's very true.
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Originally posted by AB83Rules:
If cut in 2011:

Adam Snyder: Save $2M, and a Dead Money hit of $100K

Moran Norris: Save $1.5M and dead hit of $334K

If cut in 2010:

Jason Hill: Save $510K and dead hit of $229K

Tony Wragge: save $808K and dead hit of $175K

Barry Sims: Save $855K but dead hit of $1.245M

Now Nate Clements

If cut prior to June 1st we save $4.584M in 2011, $11.167M in 2012 and $11.27M in 2013, with a dead hit of $6.584M in 2011.

Or if cut after june 1st we save $7.25M in 2011, $8.603M in 2012 and $11.27M in 2013, with dead hits of $3.917M in 2011 and $2.667M in 2012. With no Hit in 2013.

how do you track all of this, on a massive spreadsheet, or did you have sex with the niner's capologista.....
Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
If cut in 2011:

Adam Snyder: Save $2M, and a Dead Money hit of $100K

Moran Norris: Save $1.5M and dead hit of $334K

If cut in 2010:

Jason Hill: Save $510K and dead hit of $229K

Tony Wragge: save $808K and dead hit of $175K

Barry Sims: Save $855K but dead hit of $1.245M

Now Nate Clements

If cut prior to June 1st we save $4.584M in 2011, $11.167M in 2012 and $11.27M in 2013, with a dead hit of $6.584M in 2011.

Or if cut after june 1st we save $7.25M in 2011, $8.603M in 2012 and $11.27M in 2013, with dead hits of $3.917M in 2011 and $2.667M in 2012. With no Hit in 2013.

how do you track all of this, on a massive spreadsheet, or did you have sex with the niner's capologista.....

Spreadsheet, excel and works i use.

I have all cap figures for all of the current players from now till 2018.
When you do these threads, you should title them as follows:

Penny Pinching: Volume x
Untikl we have a proven replacement, unfortunately, we can't cut Clements. He's not worth what we're paying him, but, what's the alternative? Wouldn't mind Norris cut for Miller or Caulcrick; he's on his last legs anyway.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
If cut in 2011:

Adam Snyder: Save $2M, and a Dead Money hit of $100K

Moran Norris: Save $1.5M and dead hit of $334K

If cut in 2010:

Jason Hill: Save $510K and dead hit of $229K

Tony Wragge: save $808K and dead hit of $175K

Barry Sims: Save $855K but dead hit of $1.245M

Now Nate Clements

If cut prior to June 1st we save $4.584M in 2011, $11.167M in 2012 and $11.27M in 2013, with a dead hit of $6.584M in 2011.

Or if cut after june 1st we save $7.25M in 2011, $8.603M in 2012 and $11.27M in 2013, with dead hits of $3.917M in 2011 and $2.667M in 2012. With no Hit in 2013.

Snyder we will keep. He is versatile and a better Guard than Tackle. Norris we need. I still think it's possible we keep Jason Hill although nobody else around here believes that. Of course he may be cut too. Wragge will be here because he is versatile. Barry Sims will absolutely be here because our starting LT is already injured. Clements will be here for this year at least. And he is not as bad as made out to be on the WZ. He doesn't live up to $80 Million sure but most people don't. He's still our best CB although an overpaid one at that. And yes he has his flaws. But make no mistake our defense is worse without him and we are already bad in the secondary. We can't afford to be worse right now.
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