Kyle Williams

Originally posted by DirtyP:
You seem to think a wet field/ball had something to do with his ability to hang on to a handoff. Thats a cheap excuse even for a high school player. That reverse would have been a huge play had he held on to the ball. There is absolutely no excuse for muffing the ball in that situation. This is the pro's.

you do not run a play like that on a wet field with a wet ball in a huge game, you do not do that in high school and you do not do that in the nfl. we just agree to disagree.At times our coaches got a little to cute and that was one of those times i feel. You do not take a wet ball and put a player in a situation like that

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Jakemall:
Amazing since Ginn can't seem to track a pass which comes down in a much more predictable manner.

ha. never thought of it that way. I also think ginn is our best option when we want to run a reverse, Actually I really think had ginn been healthy he would have been the one to run that reverse vs the giants which failed miserably(it was still a bonehead play for the coaches to call in that game, on that field, in those conditions and with not the greatest field position)

I think Ginn has vision problems of some sort. Either mentally or physically. I don't know which. When he has time to track the ball he seems to have pretty good hands...but when he has to look up and find it, he is just lost.

I think he could really benefit from a version of that TE drill they're running this off season where suddenly the ball is there and you have to react.

Originally posted by Jakemall:
I think Ginn has vision problems of some sort. Either mentally or physically. I don't know which. When he has time to track the ball he seems to have pretty good hands...but when he has to look up and find it, he is just lost.

I think he could really benefit from a version of that TE drill they're running this off season where suddenly the ball is there and you have to react.

well whatever his problem is, I am glad we have him back, I am glad we have better wide outs than last year so we will not have to depend on him for that. I am glad we got several backups for the return game this year and it is my hope the kid will be ready to take ginns place as kick returner next year. Not sure if having a guy just for returns is a luxury we can afford to have every year

Originally posted by cciowa:
you do not run a play like that on a wet field with a wet ball in a huge game, you do not do that in high school and you do not do that in the nfl. we just agree to disagree.At times our coaches got a little to cute and that was one of those times i feel. You do not take a wet ball and put a player in a situation like that

Lol oh really? So I guess you know more about play calling than Jim Harbaugh. You can absolutely call a reverse on a wet field, in fact, the wet field gives the offensive team the advantage on that play. Alex Smith had to throw the ball while it was wet don't you think that wetness would effect a throw more than a handoff? There is no one on this earth that has ever coached football that removes a running play from their playbook because the field is wet

Everyone deserves a chance at Redemption.

Originally posted by DirtyP:
Lol oh really? So I guess you know more about play calling than Jim Harbaugh. You can absolutely call a reverse on a wet field, in fact, the wet field gives the offensive team the advantage on that play. Alex Smith had to throw the ball while it was wet don't you think that wetness would effect a throw more than a handoff? There is no one on this earth that has ever coached football that removes a running play from their playbook because the field is wet

on a wet muddy field, you always run straight ahead or east to west(depending on how your field sets) you do not run sideline to sideline and you do not run cute trick plays in adverse conditions just because you think the other team is not expecting it.the coaches outfoxed themselves in my opinion. never said i know more about playing calling than the coach. I just stated my opinion which is what this board is all about

Originally posted by Nes49:
Everyone deserves a chance at Redemption.

I am very happy to see him back there practicing punt returns for all the world to see. kid has mental toughness and the support of his coaches and team mates, which means alot more than a few people booing him and being childish. I hope we do not hear those reports come training camp but I am sure a few will try ruin it for all. I think there will be alot more applause and support than boos

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Nes49:
Everyone deserves a chance at Redemption.

I am very happy to see him back there practicing punt returns for all the world to see. kid has mental toughness and the support of his coaches and team mates, which means alot more than a few people booing him and being childish. I hope we do not hear those reports come training camp but I am sure a few will try ruin it for all. I think there will be alot more applause and support than boos

I have a feeling he's going to be a thorn in defenses side as a WR for us. Not in terms of overall production but helping move the chains.

Harbaugh might be typical Harbaugh and have Kyle returning punts to try and prove him and get redemption. Kind of like he did with Alex Smith. The media goes on about Alex as game manager and the fact that we never pass the ball and only run. The next game you see Alex almost exclusively throwing and barely any run game then Harbaugh giving all the credit to Alex. Then all season constantly trying to get the media to remove the game manager label from Alex. Not hard to see what he is doing, not very subtle this guy.

lol it is kinda Harbaugh vs the media. When ever the media craps on his players he goes out of his way to prove them wrong and actually does a damn good job of it.

Originally posted by BayArea:
Harbaugh might be typical Harbaugh and have Kyle returning punts to try and prove him and get redemption. Kind of like he did with Alex Smith. The media goes on about Alex as game manager and the fact that we never pass the ball and only run. The next game you see Alex almost exclusively throwing and barely any run game then Harbaugh giving all the credit to Alex. Then all season constantly trying to get the media to remove the game manager label from Alex. Not hard to see what he is doing, not very subtle this guy.

lol it is kinda Harbaugh vs the media. When ever the media craps on his players he goes out of his way to prove them wrong and actually does a damn good job of it.

Originally posted by cciowa:
on a wet muddy field, you always run straight ahead or east to west(depending on how your field sets) you do not run sideline to sideline and you do not run cute trick plays in adverse conditions just because you think the other team is not expecting it.the coaches outfoxed themselves in my opinion. never said i know more about playing calling than the coach. I just stated my opinion which is what this board is all about

You obviously do think you know more about play calling if you truly believe that "you do not run that play on a wet field". when Harbaugh and co. obviously disagree. They got what they wanted from the defense and Kyle Williams ended the play with a non contact fumble. Any player on the roster should be able to hang on to a wet ball.

Lol @ anyone who thinks a damp field means you only run straight ahead. You realize that on the reverse Kyle Williams did not have to change direction on that play at all right? A WR reverse is also not a "cute trick play", its a pretty common running play and its designed to do exactly what that call did to the opposing defense, get them to commit in one direction and then pitch it to a guy running the other way, its very simple to execute and a wet ball should hardly matter. The field was also only mildly wet, its not like it was a rain storm. Kyle Williams and Kyle Williams alone f**ked up the play, all he had to do was take the ball and run to the corner. Not sure why you are making peewee league excuses for a professional player.

P.S. The terms "running north and south" or " running east/west" have nothing to do with the fields directional correlation with the Earth's north and south poles

Originally posted by DirtyP:

Originally posted by cciowa:
on a wet muddy field, you always run straight ahead or east to west(depending on how your field sets) you do not run sideline to sideline and you do not run cute trick plays in adverse conditions just because you think the other team is not expecting it.the coaches outfoxed themselves in my opinion. never said i know more about playing calling than the coach. I just stated my opinion which is what this board is all about

You do think you know more about play calling if you truly believe that "you do not run that play on a wet field". when Harbaugh and co. obviously disagreed. They got what they wanted from the defense and Kyle Williams ended the play with a non contact fumble

Lol @ anyone who thinks a damp field means you only run straight ahead. You realize that on the reverse Kyle Williams did not have to change direction on that play at all right? A WR reverse is not a "cute trick play", its designed to do exactly what that call did to the opposing defense, get them to commit in one direction and then pitch it to a guy running the other way, its very simple to execute and a wet ball should hardly matter. The field was also only mildly wet, its not like it was a rain storm. Kyle Williams and Kyle Williams alone f**ked up the play, all he had to do was take the ball and run to the corner. Not sure why you are making peewee league excuses for a professional player.

This it wasn't like it was pouring during the game. Kyle Williams blew the play plain & simple

Time heals wounds. I hate the Niners falling short of the Super Bowl but I have no animosity toward Williams.

I really think he can be a playmaker at WR with his speed and hands (pass-catching hands that is... not return hands).

That being said, I still don't want to see him returning punts/kickoffs. Groom Cox for that.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
Time heals wounds. I hate the Niners falling short of the Super Bowl but I have no animosity toward Williams.

I really think he can be a playmaker at WR with his speed and hands (pass-catching hands that is... not return hands).

That being said, I still don't want to see him returning punts/kickoffs. Groom Cox for that.

or LMJ

I can see both sides to the decision to run the reverse to Kyle, but I do agree with cciowa in thinking it was cute and ill advised. Just too many things that can go wrong with such a play. Our coach is an enigma for sure. In some cases, he'll play things close to the vest. In others, he will throw some wild plays in that will either look brilliant (Alex designed TD run) or just outright insane.