Brian Jennings done as a 9er?

Originally posted by crabman82:
one thing i never understood about brian jennings is he wears #86 and is a LS/TE, but the team doesnt use him as a blocking tight end even though he must block on fg's and what not, then u look at us drafting bear pascoe and nate byham in consecutive years, i'm no football genius just seems to me we could have tried it instead of throwing away picks on blocking te's who may not make the team

That is what I'm saying.

Originally posted by Winners:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Winners:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Winners:

Originally posted by Gavintech:
Shouldn't one of the O linemen be the longsnapper? It seems ridiculous to have a guy that just snaps a few times a game and does nothing else. Especially as a team acquires more and more talent. There are only 53 spots on the roster, I'd hate to see someone else get cut that could help the team, if even for depth, just to keep a LS. Couldn't Baas, Wallace, or Heitmann be the LS?

I believe it was the Steelers last year (or the year before maybe, or a different team maybe) that desperately wished they had a long snapper after trying to use another lineman in the role and losing a game or two because of it.

That is one team, one season. Doesn't mean it's not possible. I'd imagine a serviceable backup lineman could lengthen his career and up his salary if he could double as a longsnapper. Why wouldn't it be possible?

I don't know if that guy is currently on the roster, maybe none of them could do it. But maybe they could???

Can't Nedney punt? I mean, he probably won't punt very good, but he'd be decent, and he can kick the ball. What's that? Having a specialist on your team like a really good punter or longsnapper can win or lose games for you? I'd rather have a proffesional long snapper like Jennings (who is money every time) on the roster, than have a 5th string wide receiver that never gets on the field. Jennings also does exceptionally well in punt coverage

Another sad case of one thing automatically = the other.

Except it doesn't. Just because someone is good at something doesn't mean they are bad at or can't be good at something else. Just because someone is good enough to be a serviceable backup on an NFL O-line doesn't mean they simply can't be a quality professional long snapper.

I agree that the guy would be rare and special, but not that he doesn't exist.

Having a punter when you have a kicker is the same thing you were saying about having an OL while having a long snapper. Both positions are on the field for the same amount of time, and both contribute significantly to the game while other people may be able to do a serviceable job instead.

It kind of is. But it doesn't have to be. A Center snaps the ball for a living. You saying it's impossible to have your backup center be a long snapping specialist too?

Thats like saying a WR or a CB can't return punts or kicks. That's BULLs**t. The best WR or CB on a team can also be the best return man. Why can't a lineman good enough to make the team also be the best long snapper? Answer is, it's quite possible, he can. And the reason you want that is to open up an extra roster spot on the 53.

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Winners:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Winners:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Winners:

Originally posted by Gavintech:
Shouldn't one of the O linemen be the longsnapper? It seems ridiculous to have a guy that just snaps a few times a game and does nothing else. Especially as a team acquires more and more talent. There are only 53 spots on the roster, I'd hate to see someone else get cut that could help the team, if even for depth, just to keep a LS. Couldn't Baas, Wallace, or Heitmann be the LS?

I believe it was the Steelers last year (or the year before maybe, or a different team maybe) that desperately wished they had a long snapper after trying to use another lineman in the role and losing a game or two because of it.

That is one team, one season. Doesn't mean it's not possible. I'd imagine a serviceable backup lineman could lengthen his career and up his salary if he could double as a longsnapper. Why wouldn't it be possible?

I don't know if that guy is currently on the roster, maybe none of them could do it. But maybe they could???

Can't Nedney punt? I mean, he probably won't punt very good, but he'd be decent, and he can kick the ball. What's that? Having a specialist on your team like a really good punter or longsnapper can win or lose games for you? I'd rather have a proffesional long snapper like Jennings (who is money every time) on the roster, than have a 5th string wide receiver that never gets on the field. Jennings also does exceptionally well in punt coverage

Another sad case of one thing automatically = the other.

Except it doesn't. Just because someone is good at something doesn't mean they are bad at or can't be good at something else. Just because someone is good enough to be a serviceable backup on an NFL O-line doesn't mean they simply can't be a quality professional long snapper.

I agree that the guy would be rare and special, but not that he doesn't exist.

Having a punter when you have a kicker is the same thing you were saying about having an OL while having a long snapper. Both positions are on the field for the same amount of time, and both contribute significantly to the game while other people may be able to do a serviceable job instead.

It kind of is. But it doesn't have to be. A Center snaps the ball for a living. You saying it's impossible to have your backup center be a long snapping specialist too?

Thats like saying a WR or a CB can't return punts or kicks. That's BULLs**t. The best WR or CB on a team can also be the best return man. Why can't a lineman good enough to make the team also be the best long snapper? Answer is, it's quite possible, he can. And the reason you want that is to open up an extra roster spot on the 53.

P.S. The backup placekicker is the punter and vice-versa.

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by crabman82:
one thing i never understood about brian jennings is he wears #86 and is a LS/TE, but the team doesnt use him as a blocking tight end even though he must block on fg's and what not, then u look at us drafting bear pascoe and nate byham in consecutive years, i'm no football genius just seems to me we could have tried it instead of throwing away picks on blocking te's who may not make the team

It's clear by your posting that you're no football genius.

Pascoe and Byham were both drafted in the sixth round. Anyone drafted that late has a high probability of not making the team, regardless of position.

Last season, the team chose to use a back up tackle as their blocking tight end, with Joe Jon Finley sitting on the practice squad in case Davis or Walker got hurt at some point.

This season, it seems pretty clear that the team wants an extra tight end on the active roster.

if jennings isnt gonna be considered a blocking te he should give up #86

Originally posted by Gavintech:
Shouldn't one of the O linemen be the longsnapper? It seems ridiculous to have a guy that just snaps a few times a game and does nothing else. Especially as a team acquires more and more talent. There are only 53 spots on the roster, I'd hate to see someone else get cut that could help the team, if even for depth, just to keep a LS. Couldn't Baas, Wallace, or Heitmann be the LS?

I think what you're missing is that while it is a very specialized skill, Jennings is good enough at it, that it is easy to take it for granted and say someone else should be able to do this. Its hard to remember a bad snap causing the 49ers to miss a FG. I'm sure there have been a few throughout his career and probably some where he was saved by the holder but he is very consistent and its one less thing for Nedney to have to worry about.

Here's the issue with having one of the OL do it...You wouldn't want Heirmann (or any of the other starting OL) to do it because if he got hurt in the game, not only would you lose your starting C but you would also lose your LS and then be left with the question of who would do LS then.

That leaves the reserve OL but only a couple are active on game days anyway. Wallace generally has not been active so he would only be taking Jennings' place being active on gameday.

So, in theory, you could use a reserve OL but would you rather the reserves concentrate on getting better on offense or practice being a LS? I think you would rather they work at getting better at being better T, G and/ or C's. If you had a reserve OL as the LS, some of his practice time would have to be given to being a LS and that could hurt his development, etc. The alternative would be that he just wouldn't practice being a LS much, which would seem to be a recipe for disaster.

Originally posted by redrathman:
BLASPHEMY

The long snappers are camp fodder. I wouldn't be quick to get rid of long snapper who has been as consistent as BJ.

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Winners:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Winners:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Winners:

Originally posted by Gavintech:
Shouldn't one of the O linemen be the longsnapper? It seems ridiculous to have a guy that just snaps a few times a game and does nothing else. Especially as a team acquires more and more talent. There are only 53 spots on the roster, I'd hate to see someone else get cut that could help the team, if even for depth, just to keep a LS. Couldn't Baas, Wallace, or Heitmann be the LS?

I believe it was the Steelers last year (or the year before maybe, or a different team maybe) that desperately wished they had a long snapper after trying to use another lineman in the role and losing a game or two because of it.

That is one team, one season. Doesn't mean it's not possible. I'd imagine a serviceable backup lineman could lengthen his career and up his salary if he could double as a longsnapper. Why wouldn't it be possible?

I don't know if that guy is currently on the roster, maybe none of them could do it. But maybe they could???

Can't Nedney punt? I mean, he probably won't punt very good, but he'd be decent, and he can kick the ball. What's that? Having a specialist on your team like a really good punter or longsnapper can win or lose games for you? I'd rather have a proffesional long snapper like Jennings (who is money every time) on the roster, than have a 5th string wide receiver that never gets on the field. Jennings also does exceptionally well in punt coverage

Another sad case of one thing automatically = the other.

Except it doesn't. Just because someone is good at something doesn't mean they are bad at or can't be good at something else. Just because someone is good enough to be a serviceable backup on an NFL O-line doesn't mean they simply can't be a quality professional long snapper.

I agree that the guy would be rare and special, but not that he doesn't exist.

Having a punter when you have a kicker is the same thing you were saying about having an OL while having a long snapper. Both positions are on the field for the same amount of time, and both contribute significantly to the game while other people may be able to do a serviceable job instead.

It kind of is. But it doesn't have to be. A Center snaps the ball for a living. You saying it's impossible to have your backup center be a long snapping specialist too?

Thats like saying a WR or a CB can't return punts or kicks. That's BULLs**t. The best WR or CB on a team can also be the best return man. Why can't a lineman good enough to make the team also be the best long snapper? Answer is, it's quite possible, he can. And the reason you want that is to open up an extra roster spot on the 53.

Oh I wasn't saying it's not possible, I just don't see any of those players available. I didn't look too hard at the draft, maybe we could've drafted a backup OL that was a line snapper. For what we have now though, we'd have to bring a guy in that can do both. Most people can't.

good thing brian jennings secretly has a clone of himself stored in his basement that is 10 years younger.

that was close guys...

Originally posted by GoldenIowa49er:
good thing brian jennings secretly has a clone of himself stored in his basement that is 10 years younger.

that was close guys...

lol hes going to be our LS 40 years from now, still the same age. nobody will know about the clones.

Brian Jennings will never be replaced. This is a camp thing. My god-centaur, is good to go for another ten years.

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by valrod33:
Looks like we are bringing in another long snapper


mattbarrows

Some area guys will get tryouts at the 49ers weekend mini, including SJS longsnapper Matt Wigley and SJS punter Phil Zavala ..


Jennings days are numbered

Your god king has some competition

they signed a local LS and a local P to participate in rookie camp so Jennings and Lee didnt have to come in early. like i said, Jennings is signed through 2013. if you sign a LS longterm, it means you like him alot.

This is simply a case of getting enough bodies for camp and also contingency planning. What if Jennings got injured in camp and the Niners had to replace him for the season? It doesn't hurt to know what your plan B might be.

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Winners:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Winners:

Originally posted by Gavintech:
Shouldn't one of the O linemen be the longsnapper? It seems ridiculous to have a guy that just snaps a few times a game and does nothing else. Especially as a team acquires more and more talent. There are only 53 spots on the roster, I'd hate to see someone else get cut that could help the team, if even for depth, just to keep a LS. Couldn't Baas, Wallace, or Heitmann be the LS?

I believe it was the Steelers last year (or the year before maybe, or a different team maybe) that desperately wished they had a long snapper after trying to use another lineman in the role and losing a game or two because of it.

That is one team, one season. Doesn't mean it's not possible. I'd imagine a serviceable backup lineman could lengthen his career and up his salary if he could double as a longsnapper. Why wouldn't it be possible?

I don't know if that guy is currently on the roster, maybe none of them could do it. But maybe they could???

Can't Nedney punt? I mean, he probably won't punt very good, but he'd be decent, and he can kick the ball. What's that? Having a specialist on your team like a really good punter or longsnapper can win or lose games for you? I'd rather have a proffesional long snapper like Jennings (who is money every time) on the roster, than have a 5th string wide receiver that never gets on the field. Jennings also does exceptionally well in punt coverage

Another sad case of one thing automatically = the other.

Except it doesn't. Just because someone is good at something doesn't mean they are bad at or can't be good at something else. Just because someone is good enough to be a serviceable backup on an NFL O-line doesn't mean they simply can't be a quality professional long snapper.

I agree that the guy would be rare and special, but not that he doesn't exist.

So you think we should cut Jennings to find this Rare and Special back up lineman that if not for his long snapping abilities would never dress anyway?

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Winners:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Winners:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Winners:

Originally posted by Gavintech:
Shouldn't one of the O linemen be the longsnapper? It seems ridiculous to have a guy that just snaps a few times a game and does nothing else. Especially as a team acquires more and more talent. There are only 53 spots on the roster, I'd hate to see someone else get cut that could help the team, if even for depth, just to keep a LS. Couldn't Baas, Wallace, or Heitmann be the LS?

I believe it was the Steelers last year (or the year before maybe, or a different team maybe) that desperately wished they had a long snapper after trying to use another lineman in the role and losing a game or two because of it.

That is one team, one season. Doesn't mean it's not possible. I'd imagine a serviceable backup lineman could lengthen his career and up his salary if he could double as a longsnapper. Why wouldn't it be possible?

I don't know if that guy is currently on the roster, maybe none of them could do it. But maybe they could???

Can't Nedney punt? I mean, he probably won't punt very good, but he'd be decent, and he can kick the ball. What's that? Having a specialist on your team like a really good punter or longsnapper can win or lose games for you? I'd rather have a proffesional long snapper like Jennings (who is money every time) on the roster, than have a 5th string wide receiver that never gets on the field. Jennings also does exceptionally well in punt coverage

Another sad case of one thing automatically = the other.

Except it doesn't. Just because someone is good at something doesn't mean they are bad at or can't be good at something else. Just because someone is good enough to be a serviceable backup on an NFL O-line doesn't mean they simply can't be a quality professional long snapper.

I agree that the guy would be rare and special, but not that he doesn't exist.

Having a punter when you have a kicker is the same thing you were saying about having an OL while having a long snapper. Both positions are on the field for the same amount of time, and both contribute significantly to the game while other people may be able to do a serviceable job instead.

It kind of is. But it doesn't have to be. A Center snaps the ball for a living. You saying it's impossible to have your backup center be a long snapping specialist too?

Thats like saying a WR or a CB can't return punts or kicks. That's BULLs**t. The best WR or CB on a team can also be the best return man. Why can't a lineman good enough to make the team also be the best long snapper? Answer is, it's quite possible, he can. And the reason you want that is to open up an extra roster spot on the 53.

Snapping the ball and longsnapping really aren't as similar as you are thinking. Could one of our OL do it? Maybe, but Jennings is one of the leagues best, and he was signed on an extension because of it.