Joe Montana vs. Tom Brady

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

Originally posted by obx49:

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Tom Brady does remind me of Montana. The poise in the pocket and accuracy are pretty close.

Tom Brady also does it without the big play-makers that Montana had. Now I'm not saying that Brady is better than Montana, but it's definitely something to ponder.

That's a VERY ignorant sentiment coming from a 49ers fan (who should know his history). All you youngins think Montana started building his career tapestry in the late 80's, the moment Jerry Rice came onto the scene.

Two f**king words: Freddy Solomon.

Thank you. Jerry Rice has 3 rings - and he got 1 with Young. Montana has 4 rings. Montana was winning Superbowls with and without Jerry Rice.

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:

Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:
First of all, you have read this as a fan of the NFL; not of the 49ers.

I hate to say it, but I believe that if Tom Brady wins the Super Bowl this year with these random players on his offense, he will go down as the GREATEST EVER. Montana had the GREATEST RECEIVER OF ALL TIME to throw to. Who is Tom Brady throwing to? Besides Randy Moss, Tom Brady has never had a DOMINANT wide receiver to throw to.

Lol.. umm noo. Not even close. Joe never threw any interceptions in any superbowls. Also Joe never lost a superbowl. Tom Brady won three superbowls that all should have an asterisk next to them. They cheated for all those superbowls that they won and don't give me this bullshhiit about how filming the opposing teams defensive signals really didn't benefit them. Umm.. that is why they ran a lot of hurry up so they could see the defensive calls. If it didn't seriously help them, then they wouldn't have done it. And they still barely won those superbowls with field goals. No way in hell they beat the Rams in superbowl 36 if they don't cheat. That Rams team was deep. And you see Belecheat's disciples like mcdaniels who was just fired from denver. That shows you how that organization works. They'll lie, cheat, and steal in order to win. Also Tom Brady FOLDS UNDER PRESSURE. New York Giants supplied pressure in the superbowl and brady couldn't handle it. Montana was clutch under all circumstances.. even with pressure in his face. Tom brady could have never made that play against the cowboys in the championship game in 81. You bring heat up the middle and Tom Brady falls down. Now don't get me wrong, Brady is dead accurate and a good quarterback, but nowhere near Montana and never will be. You see how much time the Pat's line gives Brady? It's ridiculous. Tom Brady could not succeed on the current 49er team. Montana could. Oh and everyone always says that Montana had so many weapons to throw to. He only had Rice for two superbowls. Case closed.

Yeah Brady folds like a deck of cards. He should be able to avoid oncoming pass rushers, how dare he take sacks. The Giants are lucky they are the only team all year to think of the genius idea to PROVIDE PRESSURE to Brady. The Giants D line didnt out play the Pats o line at all, it was all on Brady's shoulders. He simply folded.

Very unbiased.


Bottom line is this: Its asinine to compare players and choose one as being greater than the other because there are countless other factors involved. Football is a TEAM GAME. Brady cheated. Montana had a HOF wr. Brady had a better defense,. Montana had a better coach. Etc Etc Etc. You could go on all day but there are a million factors involved in both players' success. Itd be silly to pit one against the other claiming the other to be superior and inferior to the other. Whats the point?

The best ever!!

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Tom Brady does remind me of Montana. The poise in the pocket and accuracy are pretty close.

Theres no Montana!

Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

Originally posted by obx49:

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Tom Brady does remind me of Montana. The poise in the pocket and accuracy are pretty close.

Tom Brady also does it without the big play-makers that Montana had. Now I'm not saying that Brady is better than Montana, but it's definitely something to ponder.

That's a VERY ignorant sentiment coming from a 49ers fan (who should know his history). All you youngins think Montana started building his career tapestry in the late 80's, the moment Jerry Rice came onto the scene.

Two f**king words: Freddy Solomon.

Thank you. Jerry Rice has 3 rings - and he got 1 with Young. Montana has 4 rings. Montana was winning Superbowls with and without Jerry Rice.

This. I dare any non-49er fan to name another offensive player besides Freddie Solomon/Dwight Clark on the 1981 Super Bowl team.

One more thing, the game is different today, all the rules favor the offense, specifically the passing game. The Brady rule is total bulls**t. He is good, but he has many more rules that help him to be good. Trying to make that comparison is like comparing real baseball with what the steroid era has done to it.

Originally posted by Otter:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He's very good. It's hard to say where he fits. His career is not over yet. He's had great defenses backing him and a great coach too. It's not all Brady. He's had some real good WR's over the years. The O Lines have always been solid.

Montana was outstanding. But he's also overly romanticized on this board. He had great WR's, TE's. Offensive Lines and Defenses backing him. And pre salary cap era Eddie D. fielded the best teams year in and year out. Throw in a hall of fame coach. Was he good? Yes. Is he overly romaticized on this board? Yes.

What Montana did with the 49ers, he also did at Notre Dame, and in Kansas City (sans Super Bowl).

So speak for yourself when saying how Montana is viewed.

Joe is/was the GREATEST to ever play QB. The End.

What a shocker that somebody would feel that way on the "49ersWZ." Wow I'm shocked...

There are different ways of looking at it. He had fabulous teams up and down the roster. Eddie D. outspent everybody. He's teams were the best every year. He was in a real good positon too.

What did he do at Notre Dame? What multiple National Championships did he win there? Fill me in...

Winning 4 rings in salary cap is a lot easier than winning 4 in a non-salary cap era - provided you have a great team.

When there was no salary cap - there were 3-4 great teams every year and 2-3 other really good teams. Today, we may only have 1 great team and 3-4 of good teams and the rest are okay or below average.

When there was no salary cap, teams were able to have continuity as well. Every years, Niners faced great teams in the playoffs to win it all.

Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Winning 4 rings in salary cap is a lot easier than winning 4 in a non-salary cap era - provided you have a great team.

When there was no salary cap - there were 3-4 great teams every year and 2-3 other really good teams. Today, we may only have 1 great team and 3-4 of good teams and the rest are okay or below average.

When there was no salary cap, teams were able to have continuity as well. Every years, Niners faced great teams in the playoffs to win it all.

But you dont see that as a bonus too? Montana was able to throw to the same guys every year and had no worries about any guy off his line or his receivers leaving. Brady has gone through years having to throw to reche caldwell and jabar gaffney because of free agency. Just a point. free agency hurts a qb because continuity is lost.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

Originally posted by obx49:

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Tom Brady does remind me of Montana. The poise in the pocket and accuracy are pretty close.

Tom Brady also does it without the big play-makers that Montana had. Now I'm not saying that Brady is better than Montana, but it's definitely something to ponder.

That's a VERY ignorant sentiment coming from a 49ers fan (who should know his history). All you youngins think Montana started building his career tapestry in the late 80's, the moment Jerry Rice came onto the scene.

Two f**king words: Freddy Solomon.

Thank you. Jerry Rice has 3 rings - and he got 1 with Young. Montana has 4 rings. Montana was winning Superbowls with and without Jerry Rice.

This. I dare any non-49er fan to name another offensive player besides Freddie Solomon/Dwight Clark on the 1981 Super Bowl team.

Look I never said that Brady is better than Montana, but who the f**k did Brady have in the beginning of his career Troy Brown and Deion Branch? Jerry Rice/Dwight Clark or Dwight Clark/Freddie Solomon >Troy Brown/Deion Branch and we are not even including the RBs or the OL in this argument.

Originally posted by obx49:

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Tom Brady does remind me of Montana. The poise in the pocket and accuracy are pretty close.

Tom Brady also does it without the big play-makers that Montana had. Now I'm not saying that Brady is better than Montana, but it's definitely something to ponder.

Montana won those first two Super Bowl's without big playmakers.

Originally posted by obx49:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

Originally posted by obx49:

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Tom Brady does remind me of Montana. The poise in the pocket and accuracy are pretty close.

Tom Brady also does it without the big play-makers that Montana had. Now I'm not saying that Brady is better than Montana, but it's definitely something to ponder.

That's a VERY ignorant sentiment coming from a 49ers fan (who should know his history). All you youngins think Montana started building his career tapestry in the late 80's, the moment Jerry Rice came onto the scene.

Two f**king words: Freddy Solomon.

Thank you. Jerry Rice has 3 rings - and he got 1 with Young. Montana has 4 rings. Montana was winning Superbowls with and without Jerry Rice.

This. I dare any non-49er fan to name another offensive player besides Freddie Solomon/Dwight Clark on the 1981 Super Bowl team.

Look I never said that Brady was Montana, but who the f**k did Brady have in the beginning of his career Troy Brown and Deion Branch? Jerry Rice/Dwight Clark or Dwight Clark/Freddie Solomon >Troy Brown/Deion Branch and we are not even including the RBs or the OL in this argument.

The immortal Ricky Patton was the Niners leading rusher (Niners were last in the league I believe) when they won in 82.

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:

Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:
First of all, you have read this as a fan of the NFL; not of the 49ers.

I hate to say it, but I believe that if Tom Brady wins the Super Bowl this year with these random players on his offense, he will go down as the GREATEST EVER. Montana had the GREATEST RECEIVER OF ALL TIME to throw to. Who is Tom Brady throwing to? Besides Randy Moss, Tom Brady has never had a DOMINANT wide receiver to throw to.

Lol.. umm noo. Not even close. Joe never threw any interceptions in any superbowls. Also Joe never lost a superbowl. Tom Brady won three superbowls that all should have an asterisk next to them. They cheated for all those superbowls that they won and don't give me this bullshhiit about how filming the opposing teams defensive signals really didn't benefit them. Umm.. that is why they ran a lot of hurry up so they could see the defensive calls. If it didn't seriously help them, then they wouldn't have done it. And they still barely won those superbowls with field goals. No way in hell they beat the Rams in superbowl 36 if they don't cheat. That Rams team was deep. And you see Belecheat's disciples like mcdaniels who was just fired from denver. That shows you how that organization works. They'll lie, cheat, and steal in order to win. Also Tom Brady FOLDS UNDER PRESSURE. New York Giants supplied pressure in the superbowl and brady couldn't handle it. Montana was clutch under all circumstances.. even with pressure in his face. Tom brady could have never made that play against the cowboys in the championship game in 81. You bring heat up the middle and Tom Brady falls down. Now don't get me wrong, Brady is dead accurate and a good quarterback, but nowhere near Montana and never will be. You see how much time the Pat's line gives Brady? It's ridiculous. Tom Brady could not succeed on the current 49er team. Montana could. Oh and everyone always says that Montana had so many weapons to throw to. He only had Rice for two superbowls. Case closed.

UHHHHH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brady is a cheating p***y who had the NFL tailor rules for him so he could stand in the pocket, read the defenses signals, and throw without worrying about getting creamed.

Montana had to play in an Era where your QB WILL go down during the season, so you better have a servicable backup.

Brady rules the tuck rule, the cheating....all these are black eyes that should go in his resume.

Don't forget the ultimate choke job against the Giants in the Super Bowl.

Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Winning 4 rings in salary cap is a lot easier than winning 4 in a non-salary cap era - provided you have a great team.

When there was no salary cap - there were 3-4 great teams every year and 2-3 other really good teams. Today, we may only have 1 great team and 3-4 of good teams and the rest are okay or below average.

When there was no salary cap, teams were able to have continuity as well. Every years, Niners faced great teams in the playoffs to win it all.

Redskins, Bears and Giants were very, very tough in the 80s-early 90s.