Move David Baas to center

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:
Baas is a vagina. His feet are slow, he has a really weak hand punch out of his stance, he has marginal leg drive, and he rarely makes it to the second level.

Heitmann is solid, if unspectacular. He's one of our best linemen, and he's far more of a starter than Bass.

Stack Heitman up against other NFL centers and where do you rank him?

He's upper echelon...definitely top 10.

I can easily name 10 better center's than Eric Heitman;

Jeff Saturday
Matt Birk
Andre Gurode
Nick Mangold
Kevin Mawae
Todd McClure
Shuan O'Hara
Nick Hardwick
Dan Koppen
Ryan Kalil
Brad Meester

Do I need to keep going?

Meester? A so-so leader of a so-so line. Great as a run blocker...questionable pass protector.

McClure? Good pass protector...declining as a run blocker. Good, not great.

Kreutz? Christ...watch the Niner-Bear game and review that assessment. He got jocked all night.

O'Hara? C'mon. Please. O'Hara played like sh*t over the last half of the season.

Koppen? Great pass protector, marginal run blocker.

You've listed some real studs, and some marginal players, too...but you really need to watch games, bro.

Heitmann is the best player on his line, and it isn't close. Watch a game, and watch what he does with almost no help from his left, and a little help on his right. The guy is a bona fide player, and if the Niners had a better record, he'd have the media swinging on his nuts.

Dude Ohara made the Pro Bowl this year. You lose all credibility with that statement.

O'Hara is a two-time Pro-Bowler, playing as reserve Center for the NFC All-Stars in both the 2009 and the 2010 Pro Bowls.

Dude...he's okay. That's it. He's falling off, and it really showed in the last half of the season. Have you watched the Giants this year?

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:
Baas is a vagina. His feet are slow, he has a really weak hand punch out of his stance, he has marginal leg drive, and he rarely makes it to the second level.

Heitmann is solid, if unspectacular. He's one of our best linemen, and he's far more of a starter than Bass.

Stack Heitman up against other NFL centers and where do you rank him?

He's upper echelon...definitely top 10.

I can easily name 10 better center's than Eric Heitman;

Jeff Saturday
Matt Birk
Andre Gurode
Nick Mangold
Kevin Mawae
Todd McClure
Shuan O'Hara
Nick Hardwick
Dan Koppen
Ryan Kalil
Brad Meester

Do I need to keep going?

Jeff Faine
Justin Hartwig
Olin Kruetz
Jason Brown
Jamaal Jackson
Matt Birk
Al Johnson
Chris Spencer
Hank Fraley
Scott Wells


He isnt even top 20

Brown? Fraley? Faine?



Here's what you should do:

Turn off the XBox 360, take out the Madden disc, and watch some games.

Jason Brown is a big part of Steven Jacksons constant success.

Faine was a Pro Bowl alternate for the 2007 game behind Olin Kreutz.

Fraley wasnt supposed to be there bad copy paste job by me.

Casey Wiegmann was who was supposed to be the guy. A 2008 pro bowler.

Thinking Heitman is even close to and elite center is crazy talk. I dont play video games, I still have a ps2. I watch football games!

Stephen Jackson is a big part of Stephen Jackson's success, and Brown is an average pass blocker. Just ask his QBs.

Faine is a part of perhaps the worst offense I have ever seen. He's above average...but that's it.

Heitman can run block well, and pass block with the best of them. His technique is awesome, and his footwork is superb. He's definitely in the top third of the league.

Mind you, I didn't say top 5...I said top 10. He's the best player on his line, and a complete, intelligent player. He's so good that he's forced to pick up the slack for other guys on his line.

Say what you will, and hate all you want...actual play in actual games doesn't lie.

This coming from a guy who thinks Heitman is better than Ohara I would never listen to someone who believed that. Because that person obviously cant judge center talent!

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:
Baas is a vagina. His feet are slow, he has a really weak hand punch out of his stance, he has marginal leg drive, and he rarely makes it to the second level.

Heitmann is solid, if unspectacular. He's one of our best linemen, and he's far more of a starter than Bass.

Stack Heitman up against other NFL centers and where do you rank him?

He's upper echelon...definitely top 10.

I can easily name 10 better center's than Eric Heitman;

Jeff Saturday
Matt Birk
Andre Gurode
Nick Mangold
Kevin Mawae
Todd McClure
Shuan O'Hara
Nick Hardwick
Dan Koppen
Ryan Kalil
Brad Meester

Do I need to keep going?

Jeff Faine
Justin Hartwig
Olin Kruetz
Jason Brown
Jamaal Jackson
Matt Birk
Al Johnson
Chris Spencer
Hank Fraley
Scott Wells


He isnt even top 20

Brown? Fraley? Faine?



Here's what you should do:

Turn off the XBox 360, take out the Madden disc, and watch some games.

Jason Brown is a big part of Steven Jacksons constant success.

Faine was a Pro Bowl alternate for the 2007 game behind Olin Kreutz.

Fraley wasnt supposed to be there bad copy paste job by me.

Casey Wiegmann was who was supposed to be the guy. A 2008 pro bowler.

Thinking Heitman is even close to and elite center is crazy talk. I dont play video games, I still have a ps2. I watch football games!

Stephen Jackson is a big part of Stephen Jackson's success, and Brown is an average pass blocker. Just ask his QBs.

Faine is a part of perhaps the worst offense I have ever seen. He's above average...but that's it.

Heitman can run block well, and pass block with the best of them. His technique is awesome, and his footwork is superb. He's definitely in the top third of the league.

Mind you, I didn't say top 5...I said top 10. He's the best player on his line, and a complete, intelligent player. He's so good that he's forced to pick up the slack for other guys on his line.

Say what you will, and hate all you want...actual play in actual games doesn't lie.

This coming from a guy who thinks Heitman is better than Ohara I would never listen to someone who believed that. Because that person obviously cant judge center talent!

I never said that. I said your list was questionable.

BTW...what does Martz know about pass protection, anyway?

Could you post that two year old link again? I need a laugh.

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:
Baas is a vagina. His feet are slow, he has a really weak hand punch out of his stance, he has marginal leg drive, and he rarely makes it to the second level.

Heitmann is solid, if unspectacular. He's one of our best linemen, and he's far more of a starter than Bass.

Stack Heitman up against other NFL centers and where do you rank him?

He's upper echelon...definitely top 10.

I can easily name 10 better center's than Eric Heitman;

Jeff Saturday
Matt Birk
Andre Gurode
Nick Mangold
Kevin Mawae
Todd McClure
Shuan O'Hara
Nick Hardwick
Dan Koppen
Ryan Kalil
Brad Meester

Do I need to keep going?

Jeff Faine
Justin Hartwig
Olin Kruetz
Jason Brown
Jamaal Jackson
Matt Birk
Al Johnson
Chris Spencer
Hank Fraley
Scott Wells


He isnt even top 20

Brown? Fraley? Faine?



Here's what you should do:

Turn off the XBox 360, take out the Madden disc, and watch some games.

Jason Brown is a big part of Steven Jacksons constant success.

Faine was a Pro Bowl alternate for the 2007 game behind Olin Kreutz.

Fraley wasnt supposed to be there bad copy paste job by me.

Casey Wiegmann was who was supposed to be the guy. A 2008 pro bowler.

Thinking Heitman is even close to and elite center is crazy talk. I dont play video games, I still have a ps2. I watch football games!

Stephen Jackson is a big part of Stephen Jackson's success, and Brown is an average pass blocker. Just ask his QBs.

Faine is a part of perhaps the worst offense I have ever seen. He's above average...but that's it.

Heitman can run block well, and pass block with the best of them. His technique is awesome, and his footwork is superb. He's definitely in the top third of the league.

Mind you, I didn't say top 5...I said top 10. He's the best player on his line, and a complete, intelligent player. He's so good that he's forced to pick up the slack for other guys on his line.

Say what you will, and hate all you want...actual play in actual games doesn't lie.

This coming from a guy who thinks Heitman is better than Ohara I would never listen to someone who believed that. Because that person obviously cant judge center talent!

I never said that. I said your list was questionable.

BTW...what does Martz know about pass protection, anyway?

Could you post that two year old link again? I need a laugh.

He sucked 2 years ago and he sucks now. Just covering all the basis for you.

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:
Baas is a vagina. His feet are slow, he has a really weak hand punch out of his stance, he has marginal leg drive, and he rarely makes it to the second level.

Heitmann is solid, if unspectacular. He's one of our best linemen, and he's far more of a starter than Bass.

Stack Heitman up against other NFL centers and where do you rank him?

He's upper echelon...definitely top 10.

I can easily name 10 better center's than Eric Heitman;

Jeff Saturday
Matt Birk
Andre Gurode
Nick Mangold
Kevin Mawae
Todd McClure
Shuan O'Hara
Nick Hardwick
Dan Koppen
Ryan Kalil
Brad Meester

Do I need to keep going?

Jeff Faine
Justin Hartwig
Olin Kruetz
Jason Brown
Jamaal Jackson
Matt Birk
Al Johnson
Chris Spencer
Hank Fraley
Scott Wells


He isnt even top 20

Brown? Fraley? Faine?



Here's what you should do:

Turn off the XBox 360, take out the Madden disc, and watch some games.

Jason Brown is a big part of Steven Jacksons constant success.

Faine was a Pro Bowl alternate for the 2007 game behind Olin Kreutz.

Fraley wasnt supposed to be there bad copy paste job by me.

Casey Wiegmann was who was supposed to be the guy. A 2008 pro bowler.

Thinking Heitman is even close to and elite center is crazy talk. I dont play video games, I still have a ps2. I watch football games!

Stephen Jackson is a big part of Stephen Jackson's success, and Brown is an average pass blocker. Just ask his QBs.

Faine is a part of perhaps the worst offense I have ever seen. He's above average...but that's it.

Heitman can run block well, and pass block with the best of them. His technique is awesome, and his footwork is superb. He's definitely in the top third of the league.

Mind you, I didn't say top 5...I said top 10. He's the best player on his line, and a complete, intelligent player. He's so good that he's forced to pick up the slack for other guys on his line.

Say what you will, and hate all you want...actual play in actual games doesn't lie.

This coming from a guy who thinks Heitman is better than Ohara I would never listen to someone who believed that. Because that person obviously cant judge center talent!

I never said that. I said your list was questionable.

BTW...what does Martz know about pass protection, anyway?

Could you post that two year old link again? I need a laugh.

He sucked 2 years ago and he sucks now. Just covering all the basis for you.

Thanks for covering "all the basis" for me.

If you keep posting, the zone is going to have to come up with a "laughing so hard I just p*ssed myself" smiley.

If you have some facts...or maybe could illustrate that you know what you're talking about we'll continue.

Until then, you can dazzle others with your poorly supported assertions.

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:
Baas is a vagina. His feet are slow, he has a really weak hand punch out of his stance, he has marginal leg drive, and he rarely makes it to the second level.

Heitmann is solid, if unspectacular. He's one of our best linemen, and he's far more of a starter than Bass.

Stack Heitman up against other NFL centers and where do you rank him?

He's upper echelon...definitely top 10.

I can easily name 10 better center's than Eric Heitman;

Jeff Saturday
Matt Birk
Andre Gurode
Nick Mangold
Kevin Mawae
Todd McClure
Shuan O'Hara
Nick Hardwick
Dan Koppen
Ryan Kalil
Brad Meester

Do I need to keep going?

Meester? A so-so leader of a so-so line. Great as a run blocker...questionable pass protector.

McClure? Good pass protector...declining as a run blocker. Good, not great.

Kreutz? Christ...watch the Niner-Bear game and review that assessment. He got jocked all night.

O'Hara? C'mon. Please. O'Hara played like sh*t over the last half of the season.

Koppen? Great pass protector, marginal run blocker.

You've listed some real studs, and some marginal players, too...but you really need to watch games, bro.

Heitmann is the best player on his line, and it isn't close. Watch a game, and watch what he does with almost no help from his left, and a little help on his right. The guy is a bona fide player, and if the Niners had a better record, he'd have the media swinging on his nuts.

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:
Baas is a vagina. His feet are slow, he has a really weak hand punch out of his stance, he has marginal leg drive, and he rarely makes it to the second level.

Heitmann is solid, if unspectacular. He's one of our best linemen, and he's far more of a starter than Bass.

Stack Heitman up against other NFL centers and where do you rank him?

He's upper echelon...definitely top 10.

I can easily name 10 better center's than Eric Heitman;

Jeff Saturday
Matt Birk
Andre Gurode
Nick Mangold
Kevin Mawae
Todd McClure
Shuan O'Hara
Nick Hardwick
Dan Koppen
Ryan Kalil
Brad Meester

Do I need to keep going?

Jeff Faine
Justin Hartwig
Olin Kruetz
Jason Brown
Jamaal Jackson
Matt Birk
Al Johnson
Chris Spencer
Hank Fraley
Scott Wells


He isnt even top 20

Brown? Fraley? Faine?



Here's what you should do:

Turn off the XBox 360, take out the Madden disc, and watch some games.

Jason Brown is a big part of Steven Jacksons constant success.

Faine was a Pro Bowl alternate for the 2007 game behind Olin Kreutz.

Fraley wasnt supposed to be there bad copy paste job by me.

Casey Wiegmann was who was supposed to be the guy. A 2008 pro bowler.

Thinking Heitman is even close to and elite center is crazy talk. I dont play video games, I still have a ps2. I watch football games!

Stephen Jackson is a big part of Stephen Jackson's success, and Brown is an average pass blocker. Just ask his QBs.

Faine is a part of perhaps the worst offense I have ever seen. He's above average...but that's it.

Heitman can run block well, and pass block with the best of them. His technique is awesome, and his footwork is superb. He's definitely in the top third of the league.

Mind you, I didn't say top 5...I said top 10. He's the best player on his line, and a complete, intelligent player. He's so good that he's forced to pick up the slack for other guys on his line.

Say what you will, and hate all you want...actual play in actual games doesn't lie.

This coming from a guy who thinks Heitman is better than Ohara I would never listen to someone who believed that. Because that person obviously cant judge center talent!

I never said that. I said your list was questionable.

BTW...what does Martz know about pass protection, anyway?

Could you post that two year old link again? I need a laugh.

He sucked 2 years ago and he sucks now. Just covering all the basis for you.

Thanks for covering "all the basis" for me.

If you keep posting, the zone is going to have to come up with a "laughing so hard I just p*ssed myself" smiley.

If you have some facts...or maybe could illustrate that you know what you're talking about we'll continue.

Until then, you can dazzle others with your poorly supported assertions.

I have supported my claims, you are the one who has brought nothing to the table. I have brought out rankings, named players and showed lists of players who are better. All the while you have brought nothing but over hyped uninformed opinons!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:
Baas is a vagina. His feet are slow, he has a really weak hand punch out of his stance, he has marginal leg drive, and he rarely makes it to the second level.

Heitmann is solid, if unspectacular. He's one of our best linemen, and he's far more of a starter than Bass.

Stack Heitman up against other NFL centers and where do you rank him?

He's upper echelon...definitely top 10.

I can easily name 10 better center's than Eric Heitman;

Jeff Saturday
Matt Birk
Andre Gurode
Nick Mangold
Kevin Mawae
Todd McClure
Shuan O'Hara
Nick Hardwick
Dan Koppen
Ryan Kalil
Brad Meester

Do I need to keep going?

Jeff Faine
Justin Hartwig
Olin Kruetz
Jason Brown
Jamaal Jackson
Matt Birk
Al Johnson
Chris Spencer
Hank Fraley
Scott Wells


He isnt even top 20

Brown? Fraley? Faine?



Here's what you should do:

Turn off the XBox 360, take out the Madden disc, and watch some games.

Jason Brown is a big part of Steven Jacksons constant success.

Faine was a Pro Bowl alternate for the 2007 game behind Olin Kreutz.

Fraley wasnt supposed to be there bad copy paste job by me.

Casey Wiegmann was who was supposed to be the guy. A 2008 pro bowler.

Thinking Heitman is even close to and elite center is crazy talk. I dont play video games, I still have a ps2. I watch football games!

Stephen Jackson is a big part of Stephen Jackson's success, and Brown is an average pass blocker. Just ask his QBs.

Faine is a part of perhaps the worst offense I have ever seen. He's above average...but that's it.

Heitman can run block well, and pass block with the best of them. His technique is awesome, and his footwork is superb. He's definitely in the top third of the league.

Mind you, I didn't say top 5...I said top 10. He's the best player on his line, and a complete, intelligent player. He's so good that he's forced to pick up the slack for other guys on his line.

Say what you will, and hate all you want...actual play in actual games doesn't lie.

This coming from a guy who thinks Heitman is better than Ohara I would never listen to someone who believed that. Because that person obviously cant judge center talent!

I never said that. I said your list was questionable.

BTW...what does Martz know about pass protection, anyway?

Could you post that two year old link again? I need a laugh.

He sucked 2 years ago and he sucks now. Just covering all the basis for you.

Thanks for covering "all the basis" for me.

If you keep posting, the zone is going to have to come up with a "laughing so hard I just p*ssed myself" smiley.

If you have some facts...or maybe could illustrate that you know what you're talking about we'll continue.

Until then, you can dazzle others with your poorly supported assertions.

I have supported my claims, you are the one who has brought nothing to the table. I have brought out rankings, named players and showed lists of players who are better. All the while you have brought nothing but over hyped uninformed opinons!!!!!!!

Yup. Your 2 year old list ruled

Can you tell me anything about the guys you just listed that you haven't copied and pasted from someplace else? Do you even know what makes a good center? What the guy should be able to do? Or are you just gonna lean on the SPorting news for that.

That's the difference between you and me...I form my own opinions....you see to like borrowing yours.

Post another pukey face...I'm gonna go watch some porn.

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Post another pukey face...I'm gonna go watch some porn.

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:
Baas is a vagina. His feet are slow, he has a really weak hand punch out of his stance, he has marginal leg drive, and he rarely makes it to the second level.

Heitmann is solid, if unspectacular. He's one of our best linemen, and he's far more of a starter than Bass.

Stack Heitman up against other NFL centers and where do you rank him?

He's upper echelon...definitely top 10.

I can easily name 10 better center's than Eric Heitman;

Jeff Saturday
Matt Birk
Andre Gurode
Nick Mangold
Kevin Mawae
Todd McClure
Shuan O'Hara
Nick Hardwick
Dan Koppen
Ryan Kalil
Brad Meester

Do I need to keep going?

Meester? A so-so leader of a so-so line. Great as a run blocker...questionable pass protector.

McClure? Good pass protector...declining as a run blocker. Good, not great.

Kreutz? Christ...watch the Niner-Bear game and review that assessment. He got jocked all night.

O'Hara? C'mon. Please. O'Hara played like sh*t over the last half of the season.

Koppen? Great pass protector, marginal run blocker.

You've listed some real studs, and some marginal players, too...but you really need to watch games, bro.

Heitmann is the best player on his line, and it isn't close. Watch a game, and watch what he does with almost no help from his left, and a little help on his right. The guy is a bona fide player, and if the Niners had a better record, he'd have the media swinging on his nuts.

I never mentioned Kruetz and u say Meester is a very good run blocker but a sub-par pass blocker and Koppen is a good pass blocker but a sub-par run blockers; Well Heitman is an awful run blocker and below avg pass blocker.

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:
Baas is a vagina. His feet are slow, he has a really weak hand punch out of his stance, he has marginal leg drive, and he rarely makes it to the second level.

Heitmann is solid, if unspectacular. He's one of our best linemen, and he's far more of a starter than Bass.

Stack Heitman up against other NFL centers and where do you rank him?

He's upper echelon...definitely top 10.

I can easily name 10 better center's than Eric Heitman;

Jeff Saturday
Matt Birk
Andre Gurode
Nick Mangold
Kevin Mawae
Todd McClure
Shuan O'Hara
Nick Hardwick
Dan Koppen
Ryan Kalil
Brad Meester

Do I need to keep going?

Meester? A so-so leader of a so-so line. Great as a run blocker...questionable pass protector.

McClure? Good pass protector...declining as a run blocker. Good, not great.

Kreutz? Christ...watch the Niner-Bear game and review that assessment. He got jocked all night.

O'Hara? C'mon. Please. O'Hara played like sh*t over the last half of the season.

Koppen? Great pass protector, marginal run blocker.

You've listed some real studs, and some marginal players, too...but you really need to watch games, bro.

Heitmann is the best player on his line, and it isn't close. Watch a game, and watch what he does with almost no help from his left, and a little help on his right. The guy is a bona fide player, and if the Niners had a better record, he'd have the media swinging on his nuts.

I never mentioned Kruetz and u say Meester is a very good run blocker but a sub-par pass blocker and Koppen is a good pass blocker but a sub-par run blockers; Well Heitman is an awful run blocker and below avg pass blocker.

Patrick, the following statement has told me everything I need to know about your knowledge of football as it pertains to the offensive linemen:

"Well Heitman is an awful run blocker and below avg pass blocker."

My grandfather used to say that its hard to argue the color of money with a blind man. He was right.

It is painfully obvious that you haven't the faintest notion what you're talking about.