Owner/Management Thread

Originally posted by kidash:
Pro's/Con's, have at it.... All other threads in regards the Owner/Management will be merged in this thread.

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Oh, so this is the thread you meant for me to search for

Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:
They need to sell the team and there are buyers out there interested.... (Young & Jones )

Pppllleeeeeaaassseee do us all a favor and just sell! Please!

It's not going to happen,get over it! Just hope we can hire a coach with a clue(Gruden)

Originally posted by tommyncal:

Originally posted by kidash:
Pro's/Con's, have at it.... All other threads in regards the Owner/Management will be merged in this thread.

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Oh, so this is the thread you meant for me to search for

No, there were others. This thread will combine them in one place.

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Did they really commit money to renovations at the stick? If so...was it more of a liability issue or a cool move on their part?

My guess...liability

Where is that little boy? why is he hiding with all the debacle that is going on?

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
They suck and we will continue to suck because of them.

But think of the value the support staff to the players provides. Also the American dream is alive and well in the 49er organization. Where else could you be hired to clean the offices at headquarters and 4 years later be the GM?

NHAP/Jed_York in 5...4...3..2..

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Classic York Family.

1) Panic.
2) Reactionary firing.
3) Promote from within an inexperienced person to "interim"...whatever...fill in blank...(HC, OC, DC, GM, Player personnel director etc.).
4) In the offseason say so and so has earned the permanent full time position of...(HC, OC, DC, GM, Player personnel director).
5) Promise new found hope and change and a better future.
6) Have no proactive long term plan.
7) Cross your fingers and hope and pray for the best.
8) If this doesn't work out go back to #1 and repeat cycle over and over again.


You can't get better like this.

Sounds like the Obama administration!

Originally posted by 76Razor:
NHAP/Jed_York in 5...4...3..2..

They hire excellent value at front office positions.

Well, I was hoping for some constructive discussion, but that didn't happen.

You guys are frustrated, hell I am, but listen to yourselves. Simply saying "Yorkies Suck. Dorkies. Dorks, etc." is incredibly lame and if actually believe that's a coherent, intelligent thought when you hit "post this message," then I worry about your well-being.

The 49ers are still paying for their mistake of firing Steve Mariucci. The Yorks are pretty hands-off owners (but they provide the people in charge what they need), that has been established. They trusted BILL WALSH's hand-picked guy Terry Donahue, and he was a colossal failure, which is why he was let go.

But the point remains, since Mooch was let go, it has been 3 coaching failures in a row (assuming Sing doesn't learn from his mistakes). They should NOT be in charge of hiring the next coach. Is Baalke ready to assume that responsibility (he's a lot like McCloughan in that he's better in running the personnel side of things rather than the whole show)?

Jed would greatly benefit from hiring somebody with football experience to be the team president instead of him (which won't happen) as he transitions as the acting owner and is able to concentrate on the stadium project. He has too much on his plate and he's inexperienced.

The Chiefs did that when Clark Hunt went out and got Scott Pioli, hired experienced coordinators to help a 1st time coach (Todd Haley) and they are further along than the Niners. Hopefully Jed sees this.

Also to counter, everyone is afraid of a 1st time [insert position]. Arthur Blank hired a rookie GM, a rookie HC, who drafted a rookie QB and look at the Falcons. The difference between the two teams is that they've hit on their QB and the 49ers missed badly.

1. Set the vision and re-establish the "brand" of this franchise (validated by 5 SB trophies) - an offensive-minded rhythm passing attack that puts a high premium on the ability of a QB to carry a team.

2. Hire an experienced GM. Insist that this GM carry out this vision and brand.

3. ALWAYS, Always hire a Head Coach who is/was an OC with a pedigree in the West Coast passing offense. Insist that this HC carry out this vision and brand.

That was the Niner way. We've since lost it. Must get it back.

Originally posted by FL9er:
Well, I was hoping for some constructive discussion, but that didn't happen.

You guys are frustrated, hell I am, but listen to yourselves. Simply saying "Yorkies Suck. Dorkies. Dorks, etc." is incredibly lame and if actually believe that's a coherent, intelligent thought when you hit "post this message," then I worry about your well-being.

The 49ers are still paying for their mistake of firing Steve Mariucci. The Yorks are pretty hands-off owners (but they provide the people in charge what they need), that has been established. They trusted BILL WALSH's hand-picked guy Terry Donahue, and he was a colossal failure, which is why he was let go.

But the point remains, since Mooch was let go, it has been 3 coaching failures in a row (assuming Sing doesn't learn from his mistakes). They should NOT be in charge of hiring the next coach. Is Baalke ready to assume that responsibility (he's a lot like McCloughan in that he's better in running the personnel side of things rather than the whole show)?

Jed would greatly benefit from hiring somebody with football experience to be the team president instead of him (which won't happen) as he transitions as the acting owner and is able to concentrate on the stadium project. He has too much on his plate and he's inexperienced.

The Chiefs did that when Clark Hunt went out and got Scott Pioli, hired experienced coordinators to help a 1st time coach (Todd Haley) and they are further along than the Niners. Hopefully Jed sees this.

Also to counter, everyone is afraid of a 1st time [insert position]. Arthur Blank hired a rookie GM, a rookie HC, who drafted a rookie QB and look at the Falcons. The difference between the two teams is that they've hit on their QB and the 49ers missed badly.

There is a major difference. Blank hired a guy who had front office experience working with Pioli and Belichik with the Pats. They hired a defensive coordinator that had years of experience coaching x's and o's, and had a successful defense in the years leading up to the hire. They also were smart enough to hire a coach and gm and not let a rookie coach run the whole show. That's what you call a smart, and quality ownership. That's why they drafted the correct qb. Let's take a look at how terrible management does it. The Yorks hire Nolan a defensive coordinator with a 50/50 background of success with his units. Who Ravens players were happy to get rid of. Then they give him full control which was the downfall of the last 6 years. If the Yorks had any real football smarts at least they would have just made Nolan head coach and not let him have control over personnel. That's the big difference between Arthur Blank(he isn't perfect Patrino was a bad hire, but he did pass on Singletary), and the Yorks. That's good management vs bad management at it's finest. Nolan was clearly in over his head. Thus the Niners draft the wrong qb(should've been Rodgers), and thus 6 years later the team still is losing regardless of the talent on the team. Then on top of that they feel that Nolan isn't cutting it and they hire his clone in Singletary. Talent has increased but the wins haven't. That falls on a bad front office who hires bad coaches that leads talented players nowhere. It's not that a rookie head coach can't be successful it's that a smart front office sets him up to succeed by putting good football guys around him.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Classic York Family.

1) Panic.
2) Reactionary firing.
3) Promote from within an inexperienced person to "interim"...whatever...fill in blank...(HC, OC, DC, GM, Player personnel director etc.).
4) In the offseason say so and so has earned the permanent full time position of...(HC, OC, DC, GM, Player personnel director).
5) Promise new found hope and change and a better future.
6) Have no proactive long term plan.
7) Cross your fingers and hope and pray for the best.
8) If this doesn't work out go back to #1 and repeat cycle over and over again.

You can't get better like this.

Weird that this has happened just once since the Yorks have had full control of the franchise. Aside from Scot McCloughan's abrupt resignation two weeks before the draft, you really don't have much of a case. I think we can all agree that hiring a new General Manager two weeks before the draft would have been a horrible move.

You must be a new 49ers fan. I'll help you out.

2002 - Fired Steve Mariucci, hired Dennis Erickson from Oregon State.
2005 - Fired Dennis Erickson, hired Mike Nolan from Baltimore Ravens.
2005 - Fired Terry Donahue, hired Scot McCloughan from Seattle Seahawks.
2008 - Fired Mike Nolan, hired Mike Singletary from within.
2010 - Scot McCloughan resigns, promoted Trent Baalke to Vice President of Player Personnel.

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:
1. Set the vision and re-establish the "brand" of this franchise (validated by 5 SB trophies) - an offensive-minded rhythm passing attack that puts a high premium on the ability of a QB to carry a team.

2. Hire an experienced GM. Insist that this GM carry out this vision and brand.

3. ALWAYS, Always hire a Head Coach who is/was an OC with a pedigree in the West Coast passing offense. Insist that this HC carry out this vision and brand.

That was the Niner way. We've since lost it. Must get it back.

George Seifert was a Defensive Coordinator when he took over for Walsh.

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:
1. Set the vision and re-establish the "brand" of this franchise (validated by 5 SB trophies) - an offensive-minded rhythm passing attack that puts a high premium on the ability of a QB to carry a team.

2. Hire an experienced GM. Insist that this GM carry out this vision and brand.

3. ALWAYS, Always hire a Head Coach who is/was an OC with a pedigree in the West Coast passing offense. Insist that this HC carry out this vision and brand.

That was the Niner way. We've since lost it. Must get it back.

George Seifert was a Defensive Coordinator when he took over for Walsh.

and had been with the organization and Bill Walsh since 1980 - a whole decade before he took over as HC. The system was in place - he had been part of it a long time, and he didn't have to screw with it at all. Call it a happy exception.