smith @ end of game

Originally posted by Joecool:
Well, from the quotes by Smith, he rushed and misread the pass to Crabs in the Endzone and his last play of the game.

Smith anticipated being sacked on the misfire to Crabs as Smith said he didn't want to get sacked because they had FG range. Well, he got good blocking and should have waited and if he did get sacked, we still would have been in range, easily.

The last pass, Smith and the OC anticipated zone but he also saw the blitz coming yet he still went with, like a robot, the play as it was originally planned. On top of that, Gore slipped right infront of him to make the block on the blitzer. Smith needs to see this in his peripheral. To add, Smith missed Davis who had his man beat by a couple of steps.


So far, Smith has tightened up but it still doesn't mean his guys should have dropped the balls when Smith delivered. However, Crabs didn't drop the ball, Smith threw an uncatchable throw because, from his mouth, he rushed it.

If the ball hits its' intended receiver....receiver should CATCH ball....But an OTA & Training Camp with Smith in SAME SYSTEM,...this could get very good for us down the line.

Originally posted by Nes49:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Well, from the quotes by Smith, he rushed and misread the pass to Crabs in the Endzone and his last play of the game.

Smith anticipated being sacked on the misfire to Crabs as Smith said he didn't want to get sacked because they had FG range. Well, he got good blocking and should have waited and if he did get sacked, we still would have been in range, easily.

The last pass, Smith and the OC anticipated zone but he also saw the blitz coming yet he still went with, like a robot, the play as it was originally planned. On top of that, Gore slipped right infront of him to make the block on the blitzer. Smith needs to see this in his peripheral. To add, Smith missed Davis who had his man beat by a couple of steps.


So far, Smith has tightened up but it still doesn't mean his guys should have dropped the balls when Smith delivered. However, Crabs didn't drop the ball, Smith threw an uncatchable throw because, from his mouth, he rushed it.

If the ball hits its' intended receiver....receiver should CATCH ball....But an OTA & Training Camp with Smith in SAME SYSTEM,...this could get very good for us down the line.

Is this pertaining to the Crabtree miss in the endzone? If so, then it's way off base.

There was not ANY miscommunication between Crabs and Smith on that "duck" play. Matt M. wrote that the play was designed to hit Crabs near the back of the endzone, meaning Crabs was supposed to run further behind the Safety and make the catch. Smith anticipated pressure far too soon and threw the ball too early. Smith tightened up because he was afraid of the sack which wouldn't have meant anything from that distance.

Originally posted by Nes49:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Well, from the quotes by Smith, he rushed and misread the pass to Crabs in the Endzone and his last play of the game.

Smith anticipated being sacked on the misfire to Crabs as Smith said he didn't want to get sacked because they had FG range. Well, he got good blocking and should have waited and if he did get sacked, we still would have been in range, easily.

The last pass, Smith and the OC anticipated zone but he also saw the blitz coming yet he still went with, like a robot, the play as it was originally planned. On top of that, Gore slipped right infront of him to make the block on the blitzer. Smith needs to see this in his peripheral. To add, Smith missed Davis who had his man beat by a couple of steps.


So far, Smith has tightened up but it still doesn't mean his guys should have dropped the balls when Smith delivered. However, Crabs didn't drop the ball, Smith threw an uncatchable throw because, from his mouth, he rushed it.

If the ball hits its' intended receiver....receiver should CATCH ball....But an OTA & Training Camp with Smith in SAME SYSTEM,...this could get very good for us down the line.

But because he rushed it, doesnt mean it shouldnt of been caught. Once again thats what separates the good from the great. All of Jerry's, Moss's, Welker's, Johnson's, Fitz, Boldin, and the list is endless for the great ones. You throw it behind them, they adjust and catch, too high, fitz jumps out the atmosphere for a catch. Too short, Andre will jump between 3 defenders, catch it, take multiple hits, and score.

So while we talk about the few passes that he missed on. The thing i like that you didnt talk about when when he said only not seeing HIll was the ONLY one that he wanted back. He did say he released quick, but never said i didnt think he was gonna catch it. Even with VD, Vd said i didnt see it, blah blah blah, but if you Cool, who likes to watch the game over and over and analyze, will see that the ball went right into his hands. and its the catch that he usually makes. With Delanie, in his hands, and dropped. With Morgan, great catch, but just doensnt show that fire to fight with the defender to make the catch.

These are all fixable tho, and should be an exciting 2010

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by Nes49:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Well, from the quotes by Smith, he rushed and misread the pass to Crabs in the Endzone and his last play of the game.

Smith anticipated being sacked on the misfire to Crabs as Smith said he didn't want to get sacked because they had FG range. Well, he got good blocking and should have waited and if he did get sacked, we still would have been in range, easily.

The last pass, Smith and the OC anticipated zone but he also saw the blitz coming yet he still went with, like a robot, the play as it was originally planned. On top of that, Gore slipped right infront of him to make the block on the blitzer. Smith needs to see this in his peripheral. To add, Smith missed Davis who had his man beat by a couple of steps.


So far, Smith has tightened up but it still doesn't mean his guys should have dropped the balls when Smith delivered. However, Crabs didn't drop the ball, Smith threw an uncatchable throw because, from his mouth, he rushed it.

If the ball hits its' intended receiver....receiver should CATCH ball....But an OTA & Training Camp with Smith in SAME SYSTEM,...this could get very good for us down the line.

But because he rushed it, doesnt mean it shouldnt of been caught. Once again thats what separates the good from the great. All of Jerry's, Moss's, Welker's, Johnson's, Fitz, Boldin, and the list is endless for the great ones. You throw it behind them, they adjust and catch, too high, fitz jumps out the atmosphere for a catch. Too short, Andre will jump between 3 defenders, catch it, take multiple hits, and score.

So while we talk about the few passes that he missed on. The thing i like that you didnt talk about when when he said only not seeing HIll was the ONLY one that he wanted back. He did say he released quick, but never said i didnt think he was gonna catch it. Even with VD, Vd said i didnt see it, blah blah blah, but if you Cool, who likes to watch the game over and over and analyze, will see that the ball went right into his hands. and its the catch that he usually makes. With Delanie, in his hands, and dropped. With Morgan, great catch, but just doensnt show that fire to fight with the defender to make the catch.

These are all fixable tho, and should be an exciting 2010

If he said that then he's throwing the receiver under the bus. I didn't say all other drops were his fault. This thread is about pulling through in crunch time. If you think the ball to Crabs was catchable, then Alex will never do any wrong.

My point was that he tightened up and rushed an uncatchable throw.

[ Edited by Joecool on Dec 9, 2009 at 11:13:58 ]

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by Nes49:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Well, from the quotes by Smith, he rushed and misread the pass to Crabs in the Endzone and his last play of the game.

Smith anticipated being sacked on the misfire to Crabs as Smith said he didn't want to get sacked because they had FG range. Well, he got good blocking and should have waited and if he did get sacked, we still would have been in range, easily.

The last pass, Smith and the OC anticipated zone but he also saw the blitz coming yet he still went with, like a robot, the play as it was originally planned. On top of that, Gore slipped right infront of him to make the block on the blitzer. Smith needs to see this in his peripheral. To add, Smith missed Davis who had his man beat by a couple of steps.


So far, Smith has tightened up but it still doesn't mean his guys should have dropped the balls when Smith delivered. However, Crabs didn't drop the ball, Smith threw an uncatchable throw because, from his mouth, he rushed it.

If the ball hits its' intended receiver....receiver should CATCH ball....But an OTA & Training Camp with Smith in SAME SYSTEM,...this could get very good for us down the line.

But because he rushed it, doesnt mean it shouldnt of been caught. Once again thats what separates the good from the great. All of Jerry's, Moss's, Welker's, Johnson's, Fitz, Boldin, and the list is endless for the great ones. You throw it behind them, they adjust and catch, too high, fitz jumps out the atmosphere for a catch. Too short, Andre will jump between 3 defenders, catch it, take multiple hits, and score.

So while we talk about the few passes that he missed on. The thing i like that you didnt talk about when when he said only not seeing HIll was the ONLY one that he wanted back. He did say he released quick, but never said i didnt think he was gonna catch it. Even with VD, Vd said i didnt see it, blah blah blah, but if you Cool, who likes to watch the game over and over and analyze, will see that the ball went right into his hands. and its the catch that he usually makes. With Delanie, in his hands, and dropped. With Morgan, great catch, but just doensnt show that fire to fight with the defender to make the catch.

These are all fixable tho, and should be an exciting 2010

If he said that then he's throwing the receiver under the bus. I didn't say all other drops were his fault. This thread is about pulling through in crunch time. If you think the ball to Crabs was catchable, then Alex will never do any wrong.

My point was that he tightened up and rushed an uncatchable throw.

Well you see, in this case we agree to disagree. First off, lets not go to far, he's just as fault as the rest of the team on the loss period. However, what im trying to say is, i see other players make the same catches, that maybe you, yourself, call uncatchable. Like Jerry Rice said, if your hands are near the ball it should be caught.

So you see, no ones saying anything about never doing anything wrong. Thats where i think maybe your hate for the player comes into play. The team messed up on Sunday, not just him. I'm just simply pointing out that I along with a few writers, other fans in the zone, feel that the ball was catchable and that some are now making WRexcuses. And once u make excuses for them, hmmm, who does it fall back on, THE QB. Which just so happens to be one of the main players you dont like on the team. So im saying, isnt it ironic that this post would be coming from you.

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:

Originally posted by Nes49:

Originally posted by chico49erfan:

Originally posted by 49Gorillas:
Smith is progressing very well. In a spread or at least a 3 wide option he has the potential to put up elite QB numbers. That game should have been a 400 yard game with 4 TD's instead of a 300 yarder with 2 TD's. Does He have come from behind ability? I think thus far its 50/50. Can he manage game winning drives? also i think is 50/50. But as long as VD drops 2 or 3 a game as well as others this offense is going to keep shooting itself in the foot.

Lets look at the big picture, Alex came in 7 weeks ago after not seeing a snap in almost 2 season worth of play, in my mind he is still green. We took are entire game plan from preseason through week 6 and trashed it, thus drastically changing what we do on offense meaning what we are doing now still maybe a learning process for some of the players. Crabtree is a rookie and is going to make mistakes. Coach Sing is a rookie coach and is going to make mistakes. I believe coach ray is calling an offense he isn't used to calling and will make mistakes. All this being said we still have 4 games left to see what we got and still have 2 first rounders next year. There is more upside to this team than down and Alex is one of the big reasons for that.

logical AND realistic?! say it isn't so!

Alex Smith's progress is blessing in disguise this season.

Yeah like a lot of journalists/experts have been saying...this losing season while it still sucks...is infinitely better because we finally have an answer @ QB.

Think about it:

Going into:

2005 - Tim Rattay or Alex Smith. Rattay gets the boot, and Alex comes in @ 21 and struggles big time. We had no talent.

2006 - Alex was the starter. Took every snap and did well enough to pretty much warrant him the starter next season.

2007 - Smith was good in pre season and goes 2-1 in the regular season only to go down with a Grade III separation. Chaos ensues.

2008 - 2 way competition turns into three way "competition" turns into complete and utter disaster. Smith on IR and seems like he's pretty much done in the SF (maybe NFL), and a 9 year journey man loser becomes our savior. Hill comes in during the last portion of the season and plays well enough to (basically) be the starter going into this season.

2009 - Hill maintains during the off season and edges out Alex Smith to keep the starting job. Smith does really well but doesnt SHOW the intangibles ENOUGH to beat out Hill. Hill does fairly well during the season, only to hit a massive WALL during the ATL and HOU game(s). Enter Alex: rest is history in the making.

2010 - ???? We have unquestioned starter going into the season no ifs ands or buts. We have a solidified WR corps, RB, NEW O-line, pass rusher, and an IDENTITY on BOTH sides of the ball for the FIRST time in 8 years. ????


So while it sucks we didnt make the playoffs...I'm not as bummed as normal. There actually is light at the end of this tunnel it seems. We've always been generally excited for the next season....but there was always some level of uncertainty to it all. Now..for the first time since 2001-2002...I feel like good things WILL come instead of.."man I hope something good happens."

I dont know if that makes sense but do u get what I mean?

Good Post.. I completely agree with your analysis and conclusions.. Sure it would have been nice to make the playoffs, and suppose we still may, but I doubt it. Realistically this team is not built to make deep run into the playoffs, even if we did make. MadDog suggested that we will make our run in 2010 and I agree.

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by Nes49:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Well, from the quotes by Smith, he rushed and misread the pass to Crabs in the Endzone and his last play of the game.

Smith anticipated being sacked on the misfire to Crabs as Smith said he didn't want to get sacked because they had FG range. Well, he got good blocking and should have waited and if he did get sacked, we still would have been in range, easily.

The last pass, Smith and the OC anticipated zone but he also saw the blitz coming yet he still went with, like a robot, the play as it was originally planned. On top of that, Gore slipped right infront of him to make the block on the blitzer. Smith needs to see this in his peripheral. To add, Smith missed Davis who had his man beat by a couple of steps.


So far, Smith has tightened up but it still doesn't mean his guys should have dropped the balls when Smith delivered. However, Crabs didn't drop the ball, Smith threw an uncatchable throw because, from his mouth, he rushed it.

If the ball hits its' intended receiver....receiver should CATCH ball....But an OTA & Training Camp with Smith in SAME SYSTEM,...this could get very good for us down the line.

But because he rushed it, doesnt mean it shouldnt of been caught. Once again thats what separates the good from the great. All of Jerry's, Moss's, Welker's, Johnson's, Fitz, Boldin, and the list is endless for the great ones. You throw it behind them, they adjust and catch, too high, fitz jumps out the atmosphere for a catch. Too short, Andre will jump between 3 defenders, catch it, take multiple hits, and score.

So while we talk about the few passes that he missed on. The thing i like that you didnt talk about when when he said only not seeing HIll was the ONLY one that he wanted back. He did say he released quick, but never said i didnt think he was gonna catch it. Even with VD, Vd said i didnt see it, blah blah blah, but if you Cool, who likes to watch the game over and over and analyze, will see that the ball went right into his hands. and its the catch that he usually makes. With Delanie, in his hands, and dropped. With Morgan, great catch, but just doensnt show that fire to fight with the defender to make the catch.

These are all fixable tho, and should be an exciting 2010

If he said that then he's throwing the receiver under the bus. I didn't say all other drops were his fault. This thread is about pulling through in crunch time. If you think the ball to Crabs was catchable, then Alex will never do any wrong.

My point was that he tightened up and rushed an uncatchable throw.

Well you see, in this case we agree to disagree. First off, lets not go to far, he's just as fault as the rest of the team on the loss period. However, what im trying to say is, i see other players make the same catches, that maybe you, yourself, call uncatchable. Like Jerry Rice said, if your hands are near the ball it should be caught.

So you see, no ones saying anything about never doing anything wrong. Thats where i think maybe your hate for the player comes into play. The team messed up on Sunday, not just him. I'm just simply pointing out that I along with a few writers, other fans in the zone, feel that the ball was catchable and that some are now making WRexcuses. And once u make excuses for them, hmmm, who does it fall back on, THE QB. Which just so happens to be one of the main players you dont like on the team. So im saying, isnt it ironic that this post would be coming from you.

I actually like Alex. I just point out his flaws rather than embelish or excuse his mistakes.

Rice doesn't catch a balls he that doesn't have time to get his hands on. Crabs didn't see it until it was close to the point where he didn't have the time to throw his hands up for it to it. Crabs has shown to have strong hands and he has shown to make some difficult catches. He has also shown to drop an easy one. On the other hand, Smith has shown many many times to be inaccurate or throw uncatchable balls.

We agree to disagree on this instance.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Nes49:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Well, from the quotes by Smith, he rushed and misread the pass to Crabs in the Endzone and his last play of the game.

Smith anticipated being sacked on the misfire to Crabs as Smith said he didn't want to get sacked because they had FG range. Well, he got good blocking and should have waited and if he did get sacked, we still would have been in range, easily.

The last pass, Smith and the OC anticipated zone but he also saw the blitz coming yet he still went with, like a robot, the play as it was originally planned. On top of that, Gore slipped right infront of him to make the block on the blitzer. Smith needs to see this in his peripheral. To add, Smith missed Davis who had his man beat by a couple of steps.


So far, Smith has tightened up but it still doesn't mean his guys should have dropped the balls when Smith delivered. However, Crabs didn't drop the ball, Smith threw an uncatchable throw because, from his mouth, he rushed it.

If the ball hits its' intended receiver....receiver should CATCH ball....But an OTA & Training Camp with Smith in SAME SYSTEM,...this could get very good for us down the line.

Is this pertaining to the Crabtree miss in the endzone? If so, then it's way off base.

There was not ANY miscommunication between Crabs and Smith on that "duck" play. Matt M. wrote that the play was designed to hit Crabs near the back of the endzone, meaning Crabs was supposed to run further behind the Safety and make the catch. Smith anticipated pressure far too soon and threw the ball too early. Smith tightened up because he was afraid of the sack which wouldn't have meant anything from that distance.

Nah....In general...but like I said....Time with these guys iin the SAME SYSTEM...will iron it all out.