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Disapointed in our defense

guys. when your D forces the other team to 3 and out, then you O gets on the field and can't do s**t over and over again, it wears the D down. Then we muff a punt, give the opposing offense a short ass field, what do you expect?? Our D is NOT the problem with this team!!!
plus the Defense, was winded, after so many 3 and outs by our Offense, no wonder we gave up 24 points to the Texans.
Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
guys. when your D forces the other team to 3 and out, then you O gets on the field and can't do s**t over and over again, it wears the D down. Then we muff a punt, give the opposing offense a short ass field, what do you expect?? Our D is NOT the problem with this team!!!

That doesn't account for the fact we have no pass rush. And that we give up 3rd down coversions constantly. From the beginning of the game. We were quickly down 14 -0.
My only gripes about the defense is the play calling on 3rd downs and the tackling was pretty bad yesterday on Slaton. Otherwise they played pretty well against one of the better passing attacks in the league. Schaub leads the league in TD's and had been on a tear the last couple of weeks but we held him to under 300yds passing and only 2 tds, 1 of which was handed to him by Battle.
Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:
So we all said that Atlanta game was just "one of those bad games that happen every once in a while". Well what happened today? I know that our offense was not producing in the first half, but our offense has struggled all season and our Defense kept us in the game. When we needed to make a key stop today, it didnt happen. For example, look at one of the Texans last drives. We had them at their own 15 and they complete a bomb to Andre Johnson, which later sets up a field goal. WHEN WE NEEDED THEM TO STEP UP AND MAKE A PLAY, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

I don't believe you understand basic football. Who would of been thinking they were going to go deep? Now let's be honost, did you think they were going for the jugular on that drive. No. Most teams are going to try to pound the ball, control the clock and grind it out. The defense was thrown off guard. Plain and simple. No one could have seen that coming. And as for the past 2 games and how the defense has played, you can't expect the them to keep you in the game week in and week out when the offense isn't doing the same. It's like tug-o-war, It's all about leverage. You seen how good the defense played once the offense brought us back in it. On another note Spencer held johnson to 2 catches and no touchdowns.Enough said, I'M OUTIE
[ Edited by insanemike27 on Oct 26, 2009 at 8:57 AM ]
Originally posted by DaNiners:
Really, disappointed in our defense? I was at the game yesterday and the defense was strong enough to win. Really, they only gave up 17 points (don't count the muffed punt). You ought to be able to win every week, if your team only gives up 17 point.

Our offense is the problem. Alex Smith brought the team back, but keep in mind that the Texans did not game plan for Smith, so they played a fairly straight forward defense. Also consider that the Texans were the 25th WORST defense in the league, so let's see how he does over the next three games before we anoint him anything. It would not surprise me if he shows some of the same problems he always has and the 49ers will be forced to see what Nate Davis can do before the end of the season.

Carolina will win one more game this season which will put them in the top 5 picks, so the Niners are going to need to know what they have before they pass on Clausen or Bradford (for an OT).

Lastly, it is going to be really tough for the Niners to make the playoffs this year. After the Cardinals win last night, they have a cake walk the rest of the season. Take a look at their schedule...

CAR @ ARI
ARI @ CHI
SEA @ ARI
ARI @ STL
ARI @ TEN
MIN @ ARI
ARI @ SF
ARI @ DET
STL @ ARI
GB @ ARI

Now, look at the Niners...

SF @ IND
TEN @ SF
CHI @ SF
SF @ GB
JAC @ SF
SF @ SEA
ARI @ SF
SF @ PHI
DET @ SF
SF @ STL

Best case, we go 10-6 tie with a tie-breaker over the Cardinals (beating them twice) Realistically, we are looking at losses to IND, GB and PHI. That would put us at 9-7 for the season and likely to miss the playoffs (lose the tie-breaker to ATL, GB, or PHI, right). Worst case, the Cardinals go 10-6, but likely they go 11-5 with their only losses to SF and MN.

Upside, the Niners end up with two top 20 picks and Alex Smith continues to show he is a franchise QB. If that were to happen the Niners would have to be considered a favorite in the NFC next year.


the texans may not have game planned for smith, but smith hasn't been working with the first team and i'm sure he wasn't doing much game planning for the texans either. Children only see one side of the story, an adult is suppose to be mature and wise enough to see the whole picture.
Originally posted by MBniner:
No pass rush and no stopping teams on 3rd downs kills us. Daniels killed us, even with Clements (who is mediocre) covering him. A "premier" CB can't cover a TE? Our defense has the same problems that we have continually failed to address, and I just don't get why Scott M. doesn't get it.

EXACTLY it just boggles my mind how this team didn't upgrade pass rushing or Rt at all. People thought these players were gonna magically become good b/c of Sing pep talks. This team needs some better horses. Niners lack of a real pass rusher rears it's head on every 3rd won situation, and that's why they can never get off the field. Look at the Colts who on 3rd downs have pass rush specialist that terrorize opposing teams and get off the field. they don't have to create a pass rush b/c they have players that are just better that he opposing teams players.
Originally posted by MBniner:
No pass rush and no stopping teams on 3rd downs kills us. ...Our defense has the same problems that we have continually failed to address, and I just don't get why Scott M. doesn't get it.

We have to hope that Jed finally gets that Scot M. doesn't get it and fires him. I support the "best player available" philosophy in principle, but when you have 3 failed season in a row due to the same holes on the team, it's time to take a different tact. I believe the real problem is that Scot is just not a very good at talent evaluation. Yes, he is good at picking "good" people. But they are not meeting expectations or dire needs on the field. If Scotty doesn't go, we'll never have the players we need to make a playoff run.
I have to agree. I've been disappointed in the defense a little more lately. However I can't blame them for the TD they gave up because of the Battle fumble. Short field what can you do?

I will blame them for a lot missed tackles. Just like in the Atlanta game, I see more and more missed tackles by our guys (i.e. Slaton's passing TD). Uncharacteristic.

Blown coverage in the secondary. (Owens TD). Confusion???? What kills me is that we came off a bye and gave up 21 points in the first half. Can't win like that. Singletary once again did not have us prepared and that my friends is a scary thought.
Look, I am not sure why some of you are getting so down on the D. This game truly is a tale of two halves.

I have always said that a good Offense is a good Defenses best friend, while a bad O is a good D's worst enemy. Look at the difference between the two halves. First half, the D was on the field most of the time because the O could not get anything done and was 3 and out most of the half. I don’t care how good a D is, you give any high powered offense opportunity after opportunity to move the ball and they will. Now look at the second half, the high powered O of the Texans had fewer opportunities as our O was moving the ball and scoring. Hence the second half the defense only gave up 3 points.

If our O plays well the next few weeks and we give up this kind of production, I will agree that the D has some problems. But, you cannot judge the D to harshly based upon the last two games as the O has been horrible except for the last half of yesterdays game.
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Originally posted by DaNiners:
Really, disappointed in our defense? I was at the game yesterday and the defense was strong enough to win. Really, they only gave up 17 points (don't count the muffed punt). You ought to be able to win every week, if your team only gives up 17 point.

Our offense is the problem.

You're not facing reality. Maybe it's too frightening.

But our defense has failed. We all thought we had a top 10 D. And posters were boasting of that a few weeks ago. You probably just don't recall.

I do. I recall. And I pointed out that in the Atlanta game, we saw the D for what it is. A secondary that can be beaten. A questionable front three. And an inability to consistently put pressure on the QB. Every other team in the league sees this.

Indy sees this. We just don't yet have the talent at certain key position OR - - we don't have good coaching. Maybe some of both?

The D was ranked well above 10 early on. It's now at 14.

The O, obviously, won't be ranked high. It's right down at the bottom.

They don't do this for ST, but the same would be said, there.

The D isn't 'fixed'. The D isn't 'okay'. It's giving up too many points, too early. It forces the offense to go long, to restrict their options. Maybe Smith could drive on a HOU team that didn't prepare for him and does not have a great defense, themselves. But now that teams know it's Smith, it might well be different. Personally . . I hope not.

The problem is, the 49ers are weak on O, D, and ST. All three. The D isn't 'okay'. It's not 'fixed'. It's not playing well. Neither is the O or ST.

But, again - personally - we'll see if Smith is up to it against Indy, who know he'll be the starter. Crabtree can't be in game shape. And they may well anticipate his routes. Bruce might adjust to the QB. Crabtree at this point may not. I hope to see what we just saw against HOU from the O. What we saw was a team able to move the ball, confidently, and consistently. Give them some more time on that last drive - I think we win that game.

What does that leave?

Your - defense, and special teams.

Both need to be 'fixed'. They aren't now.

I think the coaches see that but don't want to say. I think some fans don't see it at all.
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Originally posted by Cuphalffull:
Look, I am not sure why some of you are getting so down on the D.

Because they gave up a lot of points? How's that.

Put Gore and Crabtree and Smith in there, against a HOU team, and they looked sharp. Problem solved - right?

What about the D? Who's fixing that?
Originally posted by dust-7:
Originally posted by DaNiners:
Really, disappointed in our defense? I was at the game yesterday and the defense was strong enough to win. Really, they only gave up 17 points (don't count the muffed punt). You ought to be able to win every week, if your team only gives up 17 point.

Our offense is the problem.

You're not facing reality. Maybe it's too frightening.

But our defense has failed. We all thought we had a top 10 D. And posters were boasting of that a few weeks ago. You probably just don't recall.

I do. I recall. And I pointed out that in the Atlanta game, we saw the D for what it is. A secondary that can be beaten. A questionable front three. And an inability to consistently put pressure on the QB. Every other team in the league sees this.

Indy sees this. We just don't yet have the talent at certain key position OR - - we don't have good coaching. Maybe some of both?

The D was ranked well above 10 early on. It's now at 14.

The O, obviously, won't be ranked high. It's right down at the bottom.

They don't do this for ST, but the same would be said, there.

The D isn't 'fixed'. The D isn't 'okay'. It's giving up too many points, too early. It forces the offense to go long, to restrict their options. Maybe Smith could drive on a HOU team that didn't prepare for him and does not have a great defense, themselves. But now that teams know it's Smith, it might well be different. Personally . . I hope not.

The problem is, the 49ers are weak on O, D, and ST. All three. The D isn't 'okay'. It's not 'fixed'. It's not playing well. Neither is the O or ST.

But, again - personally - we'll see if Smith is up to it against Indy, who know he'll be the starter. Crabtree can't be in game shape. And they may well anticipate his routes. Bruce might adjust to the QB. Crabtree at this point may not. I hope to see what we just saw against HOU from the O. What we saw was a team able to move the ball, confidently, and consistently. Give them some more time on that last drive - I think we win that game.

What does that leave?

Your - defense, and special teams.

Both need to be 'fixed'. They aren't now.

I think the coaches see that but don't want to say. I think some fans don't see it at all.

Do you not see a correlation between our D’s production and how our offense has performed? Look in that games that our O has played well (early in the season) moving the ball and controlling the clock the D was ranked in the top 10. Now, our offense becomes anemic (Atlanta and 1st half of Houston) and our D looks pathetic. I am not saying that our D is great or even top 10. What I am saying is that with such a pathetic O, it is short sighted to cast too much of the blame on the D. The last two weeks we faced O’s that were prolific and high powered. Our anemic production on O gave them too many opportunities with great field position. Now look at how the D held Houston to only 3 points in the second half. Coincidence? Hardly, the O produced giving our D a chance to perform.

I am holding my judgment to see if our O can produce on the field and give our D a fighting chance. If they continue to fail when the O produces, I will agree that they have some serious problems.
Originally posted by dust-7:
Originally posted by Cuphalffull:
Look, I am not sure why some of you are getting so down on the D.

Because they gave up a lot of points? How's that.

Put Gore and Crabtree and Smith in there, against a HOU team, and they looked sharp. Problem solved - right?

What about the D? Who's fixing that?

Did you even read the rest of my post? It is hard to judge a D when the O is totally anemic. If the O continues to produce and the D continues to struggle, I will agree that our D has some major problems that need to be fixed. The same D that allowed 21 in the first half held them to just 3 in the second half, coincidence?
InsaneMike...you are incorrect, the number 2 QB ALWAYS gameplans for the opponent, but you are just too dumb to know that. They do not get the reps that the starter gets, but they sit in all the same meetings/film room as the starter (which is actually game planning occurs).
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