Nate Davis - Will he eventually be great?

Originally posted by 5280High:

Originally posted by BirdmanJr:

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by BirdmanJr:

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49ers1fan1982:

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by mayo63:
Nate will never be a starting Qb in the NFL. Can you say developmental player.

Actually, Nate might have trouble saying those words.

I hope he ends up being great, but I'm not hopeful. I mean, if he ends up being our starter, what will we do to accommodate him? Pare down the playbook and strip it of all compound words so he can comprehend it?

Dude is also small. Some great players can overcome that, but I have seen nothing yet to suggest that he can.

And the laces . . . so strange.

Small?? 6'1" and 226lbs isnt that small !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

for a qb it is

Tom Brady is 6 foot 4 in
Peyton Manning 6 foot 5 in
Carson Palmer 6 foot 5 in
Eli Manning 6 foot 4 in
Ben Roethlisraper 6 foot 5 in

Joe Montana 6 foot 2
Steve Young 6 foot 2
Drew Brees 6 foot
Aaron Rodgers 6 foot 2


See...I can do that too.

BTW....I put this together for another thread about a month ago...

Nate Davis

see all those guys are all taller except for Drew Brees, so thanks for helping me make my point

....by 1/2 an inch.

Wow. I see your point.

last i checked the difference between 6 foot 1 and 6 foot 2 is 1 inch

and dont tell me 1 inch dont make a difference because my wife says other wise

lol...

Seriously tho...Davis actually measured in at 6'1" and 1/2 at the combine (and I can't believe we are arguing about half an inch).

Height is WAY over-rated. NFL QBs don't see over their linemen...they see and throw through passing lanes.

Davis stands tall in the pocket, has a big arm, a quick release, and and over the shoulder delivery. Any questions about his height being a problem should be answered in the preseasion when he TWICE made BIG throws with pressure in his face...one against the Cowboys to Spurlock and another against the Chargers to Hill for a TD.

If you don't like the guy, thats all good, but don't tell me he's too small. Thats simply not true.

Height won't be an issue.

Hell, Hill is 6'3" and I'll bet Davis has a higher launch point.

Height is OBVIOUSLY an asset for QBs. Why do you think Doug Flutie failed as an NFL QB?

Is Davis prohibitively short? No. But would he be a safer bet with 3 more inches in height? Yes, definitely.

But height was sorta secondary to my main point about his learning disability.

If Nate has what it takes to be great he will be just that, being 1/2 inch shorter is not going to stop him from doing that. If he sucks it's not going to be because of 1/2 inch so please stop with that nonsense.

You're not understanding.

Nate Davis has done dick in the NFL. And we're being asked, "will he eventually be great?" What do you suggest we look at in assessing his potential?

And 1/2 inch is not the issue. All those guys who have been great at 6'2" have been fantastic talents. But, all things equal, at 6'5" QB is better than a 6'2" QB. Likewise, a 6'2" QB is better than a 6'1" QB.

Understand?

Yes IMO we shouldn't be all obsessed over Nate because he hasn't done s**t, I remember people were going ape s**t over Sullivan and we know how that turned out. Of course we all want him to be great and whatnot, obviously if he were taller it would be better but 1/2 inch is NOT going to be the reason he's going to suck, he either has what it takes or doesn't. Simple as that...

It's not height, it's the release point that matters. A 6'5 QB can't see over a 6'8 tackle any better than a 6'2 QB. The reason why height is emphasized is because the majority of QB's throw the ball with their arm at a 45 degree angle. Drew Brees throws at almost a 90 degree angle with a high release point, so he is basically throwing the ball like the average 6'4/6'5 QB. Tall QB's with low release points arent successful either, ie: Vince Young is 6'5 and almost throws side arm.

High release point = less tipped passes as well as quick short/medium passes being thrown at a downward angle which is safer and the ball is less likely to float. It puts receivers in a safer position to make the catch. Listen to any ex-QB analyze a throwing motion and they will stress the fundamentals of having a high release point rather than being tall.

Correct.

I mentioned this in an earlier post. I think Davis actually has a higher launch point than Hill does...and Hill is 6'3". In addition, Davis has a very quick release and a big arm.

Again, I dunno if Davis will be a success, but his height and dislexia won't be the reason he fails if he doesn't make it.

For people that don't think he has a chance because he was drafted in the 5th round, would you still think that if he were drafted in the 2nd or 3rd?

I don't believe that height will make a better quarterback, if Nate, Alex or Shaun were taller I don't think it would make them better. Thats just my opinion.

[ Edited by 49ers1fan1982 on Oct 15, 2009 at 11:40:18 ]

I think learning disability thing is overblown. How does that affect his play? And if you think it hurts his ability to get an offense down then is there proof he struggled with learning plays at Ball State?

Originally posted by mayo63:
Nate will never be a starting Qb in the NFL. Can you say developmental player.

I'm not getting any readings on my sarcasm meter, so I must ask.

On what information or analysis would you base that statement?




He was a very successful college QB and at times in the pre-season showed more poise and passing skill than anyone we've had since Steve Young. He was also pretty darn nimble in the pocket when he needed to escape a tackle/sack. If we don't pick up a premier vet QB this next off-season I'm hoping that Davis will win the starting job.


Greatness is awful hard to come by. Is Rothlisberger great? No, but he is a solid, winning, franchise QB you can build a team around and win championships with.

I'd be doing cartwheels if Nate reached that level.

Originally posted by SanFranAddic:

Originally posted by mayo63:
Nate will never be a starting Qb in the NFL. Can you say developmental player.

I'm not getting any readings on my sarcasm meter, so I must ask.

On what information or analysis would you base that statement?




He was a very successful college QB and at times in the pre-season showed more poise and passing skill than anyone we've had since Steve Young. He was also pretty darn nimble in the pocket when he needed to escape a tackle/sack. If we don't pick up a premier vet QB this next off-season I'm hoping that Davis will win the starting job.


Greatness is awful hard to come by. Is Rothlisberger great? No, but he is a solid, winning, franchise QB you can build a team around and win championships with.

I'd be doing cartwheels if Nate reached that level.

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by BirdmanJr:

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49ers1fan1982:

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by mayo63:
Nate will never be a starting Qb in the NFL. Can you say developmental player.

Actually, Nate might have trouble saying those words.

I hope he ends up being great, but I'm not hopeful. I mean, if he ends up being our starter, what will we do to accommodate him? Pare down the playbook and strip it of all compound words so he can comprehend it?

Dude is also small. Some great players can overcome that, but I have seen nothing yet to suggest that he can.

And the laces . . . so strange.

Small?? 6'1" and 226lbs isnt that small !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

for a qb it is

Tom Brady is 6 foot 4 in
Peyton Manning 6 foot 5 in
Carson Palmer 6 foot 5 in
Eli Manning 6 foot 4 in
Ben Roethlisraper 6 foot 5 in

Joe Montana 6 foot 2
Steve Young 6 foot 2
Drew Brees 6 foot
Aaron Rodgers 6 foot 2


See...I can do that too.

BTW....I put this together for another thread about a month ago...

Nate Davis

see all those guys are all taller except for Drew Brees, so thanks for helping me make my point

....by 1/2 an inch.

Wow. I see your point.

last i checked the difference between 6 foot 1 and 6 foot 2 is 1 inch

and dont tell me 1 inch dont make a difference because my wife says other wise

lol...

Seriously tho...Davis actually measured in at 6'1" and 1/2 at the combine (and I can't believe we are arguing about half an inch).

Height is WAY over-rated. NFL QBs don't see over their linemen...they see and throw through passing lanes.

Davis stands tall in the pocket, has a big arm, a quick release, and and over the shoulder delivery. Any questions about his height being a problem should be answered in the preseasion when he TWICE made BIG throws with pressure in his face...one against the Cowboys to Spurlock and another against the Chargers to Hill for a TD.

If you don't like the guy, thats all good, but don't tell me he's too small. Thats simply not true.

Height won't be an issue.

Hell, Hill is 6'3" and I'll bet Davis has a higher launch point.

Height is OBVIOUSLY an asset for QBs. Why do you think Doug Flutie failed as an NFL QB?

Is Davis prohibitively short? No. But would he be a safer bet with 3 more inches in height? Yes, definitely.

But height was sorta secondary to my main point about his learning disability.

If Nate has what it takes to be great he will be just that, being 1/2 inch shorter is not going to stop him from doing that. If he sucks it's not going to be because of 1/2 inch so please stop with that nonsense.

You're not understanding.

Nate Davis has done dick in the NFL. And we're being asked, "will he eventually be great?" What do you suggest we look at in assessing his potential?

And 1/2 inch is not the issue. All those guys who have been great at 6'2" have been fantastic talents. But, all things equal, at 6'5" QB is better than a 6'2" QB. Likewise, a 6'2" QB is better than a 6'1" QB.

Understand?

If all things are equal, the shorter QB WILL be just as good as the taller QB.


You're making a mountain out of a molehill. It's true that the taller player may occasionally see something the other might miss and take away one option on that particular play. But that doesn't mean the shorter guy can't or won't make a positive play with one of the other players he can see or by himself.

I believe if all things are equal, the effect will be negligible if both QBs are GOOD.

Originally posted by SanFranAddic:

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by BirdmanJr:

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49ers1fan1982:

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by mayo63:
Nate will never be a starting Qb in the NFL. Can you say developmental player.

Actually, Nate might have trouble saying those words.

I hope he ends up being great, but I'm not hopeful. I mean, if he ends up being our starter, what will we do to accommodate him? Pare down the playbook and strip it of all compound words so he can comprehend it?

Dude is also small. Some great players can overcome that, but I have seen nothing yet to suggest that he can.

And the laces . . . so strange.

Small?? 6'1" and 226lbs isnt that small !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

for a qb it is

Tom Brady is 6 foot 4 in
Peyton Manning 6 foot 5 in
Carson Palmer 6 foot 5 in
Eli Manning 6 foot 4 in
Ben Roethlisraper 6 foot 5 in

Joe Montana 6 foot 2
Steve Young 6 foot 2
Drew Brees 6 foot
Aaron Rodgers 6 foot 2


See...I can do that too.

BTW....I put this together for another thread about a month ago...

Nate Davis

see all those guys are all taller except for Drew Brees, so thanks for helping me make my point

....by 1/2 an inch.

Wow. I see your point.

last i checked the difference between 6 foot 1 and 6 foot 2 is 1 inch

and dont tell me 1 inch dont make a difference because my wife says other wise

lol...

Seriously tho...Davis actually measured in at 6'1" and 1/2 at the combine (and I can't believe we are arguing about half an inch).

Height is WAY over-rated. NFL QBs don't see over their linemen...they see and throw through passing lanes.

Davis stands tall in the pocket, has a big arm, a quick release, and and over the shoulder delivery. Any questions about his height being a problem should be answered in the preseasion when he TWICE made BIG throws with pressure in his face...one against the Cowboys to Spurlock and another against the Chargers to Hill for a TD.

If you don't like the guy, thats all good, but don't tell me he's too small. Thats simply not true.

Height won't be an issue.

Hell, Hill is 6'3" and I'll bet Davis has a higher launch point.

Height is OBVIOUSLY an asset for QBs. Why do you think Doug Flutie failed as an NFL QB?

Is Davis prohibitively short? No. But would he be a safer bet with 3 more inches in height? Yes, definitely.

But height was sorta secondary to my main point about his learning disability.

If Nate has what it takes to be great he will be just that, being 1/2 inch shorter is not going to stop him from doing that. If he sucks it's not going to be because of 1/2 inch so please stop with that nonsense.

You're not understanding.

Nate Davis has done dick in the NFL. And we're being asked, "will he eventually be great?" What do you suggest we look at in assessing his potential?

And 1/2 inch is not the issue. All those guys who have been great at 6'2" have been fantastic talents. But, all things equal, at 6'5" QB is better than a 6'2" QB. Likewise, a 6'2" QB is better than a 6'1" QB.

Understand?

If all things are equal, the shorter QB WILL be just as good as the taller QB.


You're making a mountain out of a molehill. It's true that the taller player may occasionally see something the other might miss and take away one option on that particular play. But that doesn't mean the shorter guy can't or won't make a positive play with one of the other players he can see or by himself.

I believe if all things are equal, the effect will be negligible if both QBs are GOOD.

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49ers1fan1982:

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by mayo63:
Nate will never be a starting Qb in the NFL. Can you say developmental player.

Actually, Nate might have trouble saying those words.

I hope he ends up being great, but I'm not hopeful. I mean, if he ends up being our starter, what will we do to accommodate him? Pare down the playbook and strip it of all compound words so he can comprehend it?

Dude is also small. Some great players can overcome that, but I have seen nothing yet to suggest that he can.

And the laces . . . so strange.

Small?? 6'1" and 226lbs isnt that small !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

for a qb it is

Tom Brady is 6 foot 4 in
Peyton Manning 6 foot 5 in
Carson Palmer 6 foot 5 in
Eli Manning 6 foot 4 in
Ben Roethlisraper 6 foot 5 in

Joe Montana 6 foot 2
Steve Young 6 foot 2
Drew Brees 6 foot
Aaron Rodgers 6 foot 2


See...I can do that too.

BTW....I put this together for another thread about a month ago...

Nate Davis

see all those guys are all taller except for Drew Brees, so thanks for helping me make my point

....by 1/2 an inch.

Wow. I see your point.

last i checked the difference between 6 foot 1 and 6 foot 2 is 1 inch

and dont tell me 1 inch dont make a difference because my wife says other wise

She doesn't say that to me. Matter of fact, she say's it's like night and day.

[ Edited by Blitz on Oct 15, 2009 at 13:14:07 ]

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49ers1fan1982:

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by mayo63:
Nate will never be a starting Qb in the NFL. Can you say developmental player.

Actually, Nate might have trouble saying those words.

I hope he ends up being great, but I'm not hopeful. I mean, if he ends up being our starter, what will we do to accommodate him? Pare down the playbook and strip it of all compound words so he can comprehend it?

Dude is also small. Some great players can overcome that, but I have seen nothing yet to suggest that he can.

And the laces . . . so strange.

Small?? 6'1" and 226lbs isnt that small !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

for a qb it is

Tom Brady is 6 foot 4 in
Peyton Manning 6 foot 5 in
Carson Palmer 6 foot 5 in
Eli Manning 6 foot 4 in
Ben Roethlisraper 6 foot 5 in

Joe Montana 6 foot 2
Steve Young 6 foot 2
Drew Brees 6 foot
Aaron Rodgers 6 foot 2


See...I can do that too.

BTW....I put this together for another thread about a month ago...

Nate Davis

see all those guys are all taller except for Drew Brees, so thanks for helping me make my point

....by 1/2 an inch.

Wow. I see your point.

last i checked the difference between 6 foot 1 and 6 foot 2 is 1 inch

and dont tell me 1 inch dont make a difference because my wife says other wise

Actually, Nate measured in at 6'1 3/4" -- I wouldn't believe for a second that 1/4 of an inch makes someone a potential starting-caliber player or not.


Current Successful (meaning had a winning season at least once) QBs drafted in the 5th or later:

Tom Brady - 6th
Derek Anderson - 6th
Jeff Garcia - Undrafted
Jake Delhomme - Undrafted
Kurt Warner - Undrafted
Tony Romo - Undrafted
Matt Hasselbeck - 6th
Marc Bulger - 6th
Matt Cassell - 7th

Even though Garcia is not on a team now, he could easily start for one I'm sure. If he were, that'd make 9/32 (just over 28%) teams having a late day two QB. So it's not too uncommon, though admittedly semi-rare.

Based on that data, there's a slightly better than 1 out of 4 chance that Nate would be successful if he got a chance to start. Notice I said if he got a chance to start.

If you want the odds that he gets to start AND is successful.. well.. they decrease exponentially. I kind of hope we see this season sometime if Alex can live up to his potential, because otherwise, the odds are quite stacked against us in putting all hope in Davis -- even though I love the kid's potential and think we landed a first-day talent and an absolute steal, still.

[ Edited by OnTheClock on Oct 15, 2009 at 13:40:48 ]

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49ers1fan1982:

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by mayo63:
Nate will never be a starting Qb in the NFL. Can you say developmental player.

Actually, Nate might have trouble saying those words.

I hope he ends up being great, but I'm not hopeful. I mean, if he ends up being our starter, what will we do to accommodate him? Pare down the playbook and strip it of all compound words so he can comprehend it?

Dude is also small. Some great players can overcome that, but I have seen nothing yet to suggest that he can.

And the laces . . . so strange.

Small?? 6'1" and 226lbs isnt that small !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

for a qb it is

Tom Brady is 6 foot 4 in
Peyton Manning 6 foot 5 in
Carson Palmer 6 foot 5 in
Eli Manning 6 foot 4 in
Ben Roethlisraper 6 foot 5 in

Joe Montana 6 foot 2
Steve Young 6 foot 2
Drew Brees 6 foot
Aaron Rodgers 6 foot 2


See...I can do that too.

BTW....I put this together for another thread about a month ago...

Nate Davis

see all those guys are all taller except for Drew Brees, so thanks for helping me make my point

....by 1/2 an inch.

Wow. I see your point.

last i checked the difference between 6 foot 1 and 6 foot 2 is 1 inch

and dont tell me 1 inch dont make a difference because my wife says other wise

Actually, Nate measured in at 6'1 3/4" -- I wouldn't believe for a second that 1/4 of an inch makes someone a potential starting-caliber player or not.


Current Successful (meaning had a winning season at least once) QBs drafted in the 5th or later:

Tom Brady - 6th
Derek Anderson - 6th
Jeff Garcia - Undrafted
Jake Delhomme - Undrafted
Kurt Warner - Undrafted
Tony Romo - Undrafted
Matt Hasselbeck - 6th
Marc Bulger - 6th
Matt Cassell - 7th

Even though Garcia is not on a team now, he could easily start for one I'm sure. If he were, that'd make 9/32 (just over 28%) teams having a late day two QB. So it's not too uncommon, though admittedly semi-rare.

Based on that data, there's a slightly better than 1 out of 4 chance that Nate would be successful if he got a chance to start. Notice I said if he got a chance to start.

If you want the odds that he gets to start AND is successful.. well.. they decrease exponentially. I kind of hope we see this season sometime if Alex can live up to his potential, because otherwise, the odds are quite stacked against us in putting all hope in Davis -- even though I love the kid's potential and think we landed a first-day talent and an absolute steal, still.

Just to illustrate how ridiculous the height argument is....

Brett Favre, Kurt Warner, Tony Romo....all 6'2".

Are we really gonna say here that 1/4 inch to 1 inch of height would make Davis unsuccessful as a QB?

Sometime people crack me up...lol.

[ Edited by Marvin49 on Oct 15, 2009 at 14:48:48 ]

Flip a coin, it is as good a way as any to speculate about the unknown.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Flip a coin, it is as good a way as any to speculate about the unknown.

Pretty much. There's no reason we he can't succeed or even be elite. There's no reason why he can't fall on his ass either.

One thing is for sure, we didn't draft a QB to be a third stringer...we already had one of those, a good one at that. So, we are going to find out about Nate, one way or another, at some point.

[ Edited by Blitz on Oct 15, 2009 at 15:17:36 ]

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49ers1fan1982:

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by mayo63:
Nate will never be a starting Qb in the NFL. Can you say developmental player.

Actually, Nate might have trouble saying those words.

I hope he ends up being great, but I'm not hopeful. I mean, if he ends up being our starter, what will we do to accommodate him? Pare down the playbook and strip it of all compound words so he can comprehend it?

Dude is also small. Some great players can overcome that, but I have seen nothing yet to suggest that he can.

And the laces . . . so strange.

Small?? 6'1" and 226lbs isnt that small !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

for a qb it is

Tom Brady is 6 foot 4 in
Peyton Manning 6 foot 5 in
Carson Palmer 6 foot 5 in
Eli Manning 6 foot 4 in
Ben Roethlisraper 6 foot 5 in

Joe Montana 6 foot 2
Steve Young 6 foot 2
Drew Brees 6 foot
Aaron Rodgers 6 foot 2


See...I can do that too.

BTW....I put this together for another thread about a month ago...

Nate Davis

see all those guys are all taller except for Drew Brees, so thanks for helping me make my point

....by 1/2 an inch.

Wow. I see your point.

last i checked the difference between 6 foot 1 and 6 foot 2 is 1 inch

and dont tell me 1 inch dont make a difference because my wife says other wise

Actually, Nate measured in at 6'1 3/4" -- I wouldn't believe for a second that 1/4 of an inch makes someone a potential starting-caliber player or not.


Current Successful (meaning had a winning season at least once) QBs drafted in the 5th or later:

Tom Brady - 6th
Derek Anderson - 6th
Jeff Garcia - Undrafted
Jake Delhomme - Undrafted
Kurt Warner - Undrafted
Tony Romo - Undrafted
Matt Hasselbeck - 6th
Marc Bulger - 6th
Matt Cassell - 7th

Even though Garcia is not on a team now, he could easily start for one I'm sure. If he were, that'd make 9/32 (just over 28%) teams having a late day two QB. So it's not too uncommon, though admittedly semi-rare.

Based on that data, there's a slightly better than 1 out of 4 chance that Nate would be successful if he got a chance to start. Notice I said if he got a chance to start.

If you want the odds that he gets to start AND is successful.. well.. they decrease exponentially. I kind of hope we see this season sometime if Alex can live up to his potential, because otherwise, the odds are quite stacked against us in putting all hope in Davis -- even though I love the kid's potential and think we landed a first-day talent and an absolute steal, still.

You guys are saying that stuff as if it proves he will be successful. Yes, it's possible to be a short, late-round pick and be successful, but don't act like those aren't knocks on the guy.

Anyway, like dobo said, I'd love to see him be great, but it's highly unlikely. He's undersized and has a learning disability. Those smaller guys you listed don't have learning disabilities...or hold the ball all weird.

Originally posted by pantstickle:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49ers1fan1982:

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by mayo63:
Nate will never be a starting Qb in the NFL. Can you say developmental player.

Actually, Nate might have trouble saying those words.

I hope he ends up being great, but I'm not hopeful. I mean, if he ends up being our starter, what will we do to accommodate him? Pare down the playbook and strip it of all compound words so he can comprehend it?

Dude is also small. Some great players can overcome that, but I have seen nothing yet to suggest that he can.

And the laces . . . so strange.

Small?? 6'1" and 226lbs isnt that small !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

for a qb it is

Tom Brady is 6 foot 4 in
Peyton Manning 6 foot 5 in
Carson Palmer 6 foot 5 in
Eli Manning 6 foot 4 in
Ben Roethlisraper 6 foot 5 in

Joe Montana 6 foot 2
Steve Young 6 foot 2
Drew Brees 6 foot
Aaron Rodgers 6 foot 2


See...I can do that too.

BTW....I put this together for another thread about a month ago...

Nate Davis

see all those guys are all taller except for Drew Brees, so thanks for helping me make my point

....by 1/2 an inch.

Wow. I see your point.

last i checked the difference between 6 foot 1 and 6 foot 2 is 1 inch

and dont tell me 1 inch dont make a difference because my wife says other wise

Actually, Nate measured in at 6'1 3/4" -- I wouldn't believe for a second that 1/4 of an inch makes someone a potential starting-caliber player or not.


Current Successful (meaning had a winning season at least once) QBs drafted in the 5th or later:

Tom Brady - 6th
Derek Anderson - 6th
Jeff Garcia - Undrafted
Jake Delhomme - Undrafted
Kurt Warner - Undrafted
Tony Romo - Undrafted
Matt Hasselbeck - 6th
Marc Bulger - 6th
Matt Cassell - 7th

Even though Garcia is not on a team now, he could easily start for one I'm sure. If he were, that'd make 9/32 (just over 28%) teams having a late day two QB. So it's not too uncommon, though admittedly semi-rare.

Based on that data, there's a slightly better than 1 out of 4 chance that Nate would be successful IF he got a chance to start. Notice I said if he got a chance to start.

If you want the odds that he gets to start AND is successful.. well.. they decrease exponentially. I kind of hope we see this season sometime if Alex can live up to his potential, because otherwise, the odds are quite stacked against us in putting all hope in Davis -- even though I love the kid's potential and think we landed a first-day talent and an absolute steal, still.

You guys are saying that stuff as if it proves he will be successful. Yes, it's possible to be a short, late-round pick and be successful, but don't act like those aren't knocks on the guy.

Anyway, like dobo said, I'd love to see him be great, but it's highly unlikely. He's undersized and has a learning disability. Those smaller guys you listed don't have learning disabilities...or hold the ball all weird.

I'm confused. Did you quote the wrong post? All points there point to the substantially high unlikeliness that he does become "great."