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I know 99% of the Zone hate Lynch but this is worth reading RE:oFfense (UPDATED)

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PREPARATION: Singletary blamed himself and his coaching staff for not preparing the team. While Shaun Hill and Alex Smith did additional research on the Falcons coming out of the bye, the coaches should have done the same thing. Then, maybe, they would have seen that Atlanta has the capacity to blitz and play man coverage with lots of blitzes.

With the 49ers strong run emphasis, teams are apt to change their defensive approach. The Vikings were predominantly a cover 2 team but against the 49ers they went with eight men in the box and played more man coverage.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?blogid=45&entry_id=49423#ixzz0TlIN8GOP

Raye may actually be worse than Hostler
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
Originally posted by Schulzy:
this explains why Vernon and Shaun were not in sync all day. VD should have been turning around to look for the ball. He is the hot receiver when the Falcons brought a blitz.

It depends on where the blitz comes from, that determines the hot reciever hence Vernon not turning around bc he wasn't the hot reciever and Hill read it wrong.

Even if Davis did turn around all those throws would have been at his feet.

Yup. These are just more excuses, err Hillusions.

oh you two stop your immature lying.... if Vernon cut in like Shaun *thought* he would have, then he would have hit him in stride on the numbers....

*thought meaning, I don't know who was at fault on those plays but Shaun must've thought the two were in sync to wear Vernon would turn around.....this happened more than once.

so although there might have been miscommunication.....the statement that those passes would have hit is feet are false and you two are just desperate to blatantly lie about what happened.

but if it makes you feel better continue with the Shaun disses.....but the reality of the situation is, he will still be our starter. And you two will have to continue to cry about it online, where as 9er fans and more importantly the 49ers Players rally around their QB.
Talk is cheap and hindsight is always 20/20. Football can be a simple game if you work to make it simple...problem is, too many people work to make it a complicated mess.

Every defensive adjustment gives up something somewhere....a good OC/QB can diagnose that and find the weakness and make the change needed. Hill proved he is not capable of that....it's not just a talent deficit, it's something else as well.

The Falcons weren't blitzing much....they did a lot of their damage rushing four and keeping their linebackers at home to deny Hill his usual bread and butter short intermediate routes. They basically dared him to beat him deep, and he couldn't do it.

When they did blitz or vacate an area of the field, Hill was too slow in his reactions and misfired on passes. Never have I seen a QB botch this many easy passes as Hill. It was an error in reads and an error in execution.
Originally posted by Loco49er:
More from Today:

PREPARATION: Singletary blamed himself and his coaching staff for not preparing the team. While Shaun Hill and Alex Smith did additional research on the Falcons coming out of the bye, the coaches should have done the same thing. Then, maybe, they would have seen that Atlanta has the capacity to blitz and play man coverage with lots of blitzes.

With the 49ers strong run emphasis, teams are apt to change their defensive approach. The Vikings were predominantly a cover 2 team but against the 49ers they went with eight men in the box and played more man coverage.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?blogid=45&entry_id=49423#ixzz0TlIN8GOP

Raye may actually be worse than Hostler

Your barely beginning to understand this?
Originally posted by NJNiner:





why waste words when the emoticons can speak for you..
Originally posted by NJNiner:




Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
Yeah sounds about right. We were outschemed if that's a word. Couple that with the speed of their defense we came up flat.

agree
This sounds like lack of preparation by the coaches.

But if Shaun Hill and Alex knew exactly what the Falcons were going to do (and were pretty much right), why didn't they communicate this to Raye? They either didn't say anything or Raye/Singletary were too stubborn to adapt to the Falcons.

It was clear that Hill was throwing hot routes but none of the receivers were on the same page.

Raye better wake up.....The Falcons (and pretty much the vikings, Rams, etc) created the blueprint to shut down this offense.

It's pretty simple really. Hill can't throw downfield and the WRs can beat anybody one-on-one. Hopefully Crabtree can a make difference sooner than later.

NFL defense are too fast and athletic to only try these bubble screens for Crabtree.

[ Edited by DesiDez on Oct 12, 2009 at 16:40:29 ]
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Originally posted by Loco49er:
More from Today:

PREPARATION: Singletary blamed himself and his coaching staff for not preparing the team. While Shaun Hill and Alex Smith did additional research on the Falcons coming out of the bye, the coaches should have done the same thing. Then, maybe, they would have seen that Atlanta has the capacity to blitz and play man coverage with lots of blitzes.

With the 49ers strong run emphasis, teams are apt to change their defensive approach. The Vikings were predominantly a cover 2 team but against the 49ers they went with eight men in the box and played more man coverage.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?blogid=45&entry_id=49423#ixzz0TlIN8GOP

Raye may actually be worse than Hostler

Oh man, I knew Alex should have been on the field. Err...Wrong thread
On a side note it's cool to see Smith and Shaun help each other out like that.
Originally posted by DesiDez:
This sounds like lack of preparation by the coaches.

But if Shaun Hill and Alex knew exactly what the Falcons were going to do (and were pretty much right), why didn't they communicate this to Raye? They either didn't say anything or Raye/Singletary were too stubborn to adapt to the Falcons.

It was clear that Hill was throwing hot routes but none of the receivers were on the same page.

Raye better wake up.....The Falcons (and pretty much the vikings, Rams, etc) created the blueprint to shut down this offense.

It's pretty simple really. Hill can't throw downfield and the WRs can beat anybody one-on-one. Hopefully Crabtree can a make difference sooner than later.

NFL defense are too fast and athletic to only try these bubble screens for Crabtree.

Well it's not just throwing "down-field". You don't need to hit a 40 yard bomb to force a D out of this configuration - middle of the field, medium routes are fine.

Here's the problem:

Rachal and Baas can't block long enough to give time for an INTERMEDIATE route.
When they line up with 2 LB's we need to put in 3 WR sets, or a 2 RB set to add more pass catchers for mismatches.

The defense knows we're running, especially with 2 TE's and a FB in and they just load up. If we only have 1 WR going out in a pattern he can still be doubled easily and shut down.

I think our offense has a 'tell' that the defense can read instantly and know where the run is going. There was a shot from the Falcons defensive backfield yesterday and you can almost ready the LB's lips telling the defense where the play is going.

Also, I don't think Hill ever calls an audible to change things at the line. Maybe if he did and saw a run blitz he can call an appropriate play instead of just letting our backs run behind guard for the usual 1 yd loss.
Wake up call. Now fix yourselfs and move forward. If it pops up agian then there is a big problem with our coaching staff.
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Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by DesiDez:
This sounds like lack of preparation by the coaches.

But if Shaun Hill and Alex knew exactly what the Falcons were going to do (and were pretty much right), why didn't they communicate this to Raye? They either didn't say anything or Raye/Singletary were too stubborn to adapt to the Falcons.

It was clear that Hill was throwing hot routes but none of the receivers were on the same page.

Raye better wake up.....The Falcons (and pretty much the vikings, Rams, etc) created the blueprint to shut down this offense.

It's pretty simple really. Hill can't throw downfield and the WRs can beat anybody one-on-one. Hopefully Crabtree can a make difference sooner than later.

NFL defense are too fast and athletic to only try these bubble screens for Crabtree.

Well it's not just throwing "down-field". You don't need to hit a 40 yard bomb to force a D out of this configuration - middle of the field, medium routes are fine.

Here's the problem:

Rachal and Baas can't block long enough to give time for an INTERMEDIATE route.

Or maybe Hill sucks. Rodgers has less time than Hill, yet throws for twice as many yards. You aren't always going to get perfect blocking. This is when you improvise. Scramble, step up, throw to your hot read, check down, etc. Do something besides throw wobbly ducks out of bounds or at WRs' feet and then yank your chin strap off because they couldn't levitate 10 feet off the ground and make the catch or make a one-handed shoestring catch. I mean, if your QB needs absolute perfect pass protection every single time in order to be successful, what separates him from Rex Grossman?

[ Edited by B650 on Oct 13, 2009 at 01:43:54 ]
Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
raye was too busy sleeping to notice.

Probably was. Send this guy out to pasture. His plays make no sense at a particular times of need, like a 3 yard pass on 3rd and 15. Start a drive down by 35 with a 2 yard run up the middle. Come on! With Singletary being limited to motivation, we need a scheming younger coach in tune with todays football, that adjusts to opponents game plan. Singletary wants Raye, because no other team will grab him in the offseason. Raye needs to retire. Didnt like that hire from the time I heard about it. Martz was a little out of hand, but Singltary made him more efficient. We did move the ball, and march the field. The defense can rear back, and play aggressive with a lead.

Raye is Singltary's guy, and this keeps me from totally believeing in what Singletary is tring to do out there. If Singletary doesnt see the light, it will be his ass as well. Defense cant win it all. Yes you do need offense too. When we are down by 21, the game IS over.
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