There are 136 users in the forums

Remember
Not a member? Register Now!

CRABTREE SIGNED

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by kidash:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by kidash:
so.... no MadDog sighting yet, huh???

- 98

No he showed up in typical Maddog fashion. Claiming that he was still right

According to Andrew Brandt's article on the National Football Post, I am right. Both sides made concessions, and both sides won battles on the slot. Brandt knows his stuff. He is a former salary cap administrator for an NFL team, and his breakdown was excellent.

Here is the pasted information at the conclusion. Many others have attached the link throughout this thread:

The Wait: The offer on the table for Parker and Crabtree of a couple days ago was:

Five years, $20M, $16M guaranteed.

The final deal is:

Six years, $32M ($28M over the first five), $17M guaranteed.

Analysis: Many have speculated that Crabtree took the same deal he was being offered for weeks, if not months, by the team. Parker and Crabtree may have made $8M over the next five years with their trip to San Francisco yesterday.

Hopefully the above data points out the strengths and weaknesses of this deal from both sides. It was a win for the team on some things and a win for the player on others, a deal that neither side feels great about. That usually means it is a good deal for both sides.

This was quite a saga, with a final face-to-face meeting spurred by a chance meeting between 49ers president and owner Jed York and MC Hammer at a social function. Only in the NFL


I'm sorry I have not been able to respond to some that have been claiming "victory" the last couple days, and have attempted to attack my position that both sides would win.

I guess, once again, these individuals who hope for nothing more for me to be wrong..... are wrong, and I....am right. What a shocker!!!

Cheers.

P.S. Eric Heitmann is still a good football player!!!!

Ya gotta love MadDogs revisionist history.

MD: 2+2 is 6!!! You're a fool. I know all.

Marvin: Um, no....its 4.

MD: Fool!! I was right!!! 2+2 is 4. Thats what I have been saying all along!!!!


seriously, I don't even think it's worth it to argue with the Mad one... He's never wrong, don't cho' know...

- 98

Ya, I'm done arguing with him...I just think he's funny now.

oh, and for the record, MD quoted a writer "who said Crabtree and agent won" yet another prominent 49ers beat writer Ann Killion posted this on SI.com: 49ers the clear winner as Crabtree ends bizarre contract holdout...

By the looks of things, if the numbers a correct, it does seem like the 49er brass won this negotiation...

- 98
Originally posted by kidash:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by kidash:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by kidash:
so.... no MadDog sighting yet, huh???

- 98

No he showed up in typical Maddog fashion. Claiming that he was still right

According to Andrew Brandt's article on the National Football Post, I am right. Both sides made concessions, and both sides won battles on the slot. Brandt knows his stuff. He is a former salary cap administrator for an NFL team, and his breakdown was excellent.

Here is the pasted information at the conclusion. Many others have attached the link throughout this thread:

The Wait: The offer on the table for Parker and Crabtree of a couple days ago was:

Five years, $20M, $16M guaranteed.

The final deal is:

Six years, $32M ($28M over the first five), $17M guaranteed.

Analysis: Many have speculated that Crabtree took the same deal he was being offered for weeks, if not months, by the team. Parker and Crabtree may have made $8M over the next five years with their trip to San Francisco yesterday.

Hopefully the above data points out the strengths and weaknesses of this deal from both sides. It was a win for the team on some things and a win for the player on others, a deal that neither side feels great about. That usually means it is a good deal for both sides.

This was quite a saga, with a final face-to-face meeting spurred by a chance meeting between 49ers president and owner Jed York and MC Hammer at a social function. Only in the NFL


I'm sorry I have not been able to respond to some that have been claiming "victory" the last couple days, and have attempted to attack my position that both sides would win.

I guess, once again, these individuals who hope for nothing more for me to be wrong..... are wrong, and I....am right. What a shocker!!!

Cheers.

P.S. Eric Heitmann is still a good football player!!!!

Ya gotta love MadDogs revisionist history.

MD: 2+2 is 6!!! You're a fool. I know all.

Marvin: Um, no....its 4.

MD: Fool!! I was right!!! 2+2 is 4. Thats what I have been saying all along!!!!


seriously, I don't even think it's worth it to argue with the Mad one... He's never wrong, don't cho' know...

- 98

Ya, I'm done arguing with him...I just think he's funny now.

oh, and for the record, MD quoted a writer "who said Crabtree and agent won" yet another prominent 49ers beat writer Ann Killion posted this on SI.com: 49ers the clear winner as Crabtree ends bizarre contract holdout...

By the looks of things, if the numbers a correct, it does seem like the 49er brass won this negotiation...

- 98

No need to convince 99% of us, or the beat writers for that matter, that the 49ers won. MD is on a very lonely island at the moment, and no one is joining him.
Originally posted by kidash:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by kidash:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by kidash:
so.... no MadDog sighting yet, huh???

- 98

No he showed up in typical Maddog fashion. Claiming that he was still right

According to Andrew Brandt's article on the National Football Post, I am right. Both sides made concessions, and both sides won battles on the slot. Brandt knows his stuff. He is a former salary cap administrator for an NFL team, and his breakdown was excellent.

Here is the pasted information at the conclusion. Many others have attached the link throughout this thread:

The Wait: The offer on the table for Parker and Crabtree of a couple days ago was:

Five years, $20M, $16M guaranteed.

The final deal is:

Six years, $32M ($28M over the first five), $17M guaranteed.

Analysis: Many have speculated that Crabtree took the same deal he was being offered for weeks, if not months, by the team. Parker and Crabtree may have made $8M over the next five years with their trip to San Francisco yesterday.

Hopefully the above data points out the strengths and weaknesses of this deal from both sides. It was a win for the team on some things and a win for the player on others, a deal that neither side feels great about. That usually means it is a good deal for both sides.

This was quite a saga, with a final face-to-face meeting spurred by a chance meeting between 49ers president and owner Jed York and MC Hammer at a social function. Only in the NFL


I'm sorry I have not been able to respond to some that have been claiming "victory" the last couple days, and have attempted to attack my position that both sides would win.

I guess, once again, these individuals who hope for nothing more for me to be wrong..... are wrong, and I....am right. What a shocker!!!

Cheers.

P.S. Eric Heitmann is still a good football player!!!!

Ya gotta love MadDogs revisionist history.

MD: 2+2 is 6!!! You're a fool. I know all.

Marvin: Um, no....its 4.

MD: Fool!! I was right!!! 2+2 is 4. Thats what I have been saying all along!!!!


seriously, I don't even think it's worth it to argue with the Mad one... He's never wrong, don't cho' know...

- 98

Ya, I'm done arguing with him...I just think he's funny now.

oh, and for the record, MD quoted a writer "who said Crabtree and agent won" yet another prominent 49ers beat writer Ann Killion posted this on SI.com: 49ers the clear winner as Crabtree ends bizarre contract holdout...

By the looks of things, if the numbers a correct, it does seem like the 49er brass won this negotiation...

- 98

Let's define the two people you listed. Killion is a newspaper writer. Brandt is a guy who managed the cap for years for NFL teams. I'll take the capologist's thoughts over the newspaper writer. I know, what a crazy concept..
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by kidash:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by kidash:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by kidash:
so.... no MadDog sighting yet, huh???

- 98

No he showed up in typical Maddog fashion. Claiming that he was still right

According to Andrew Brandt's article on the National Football Post, I am right. Both sides made concessions, and both sides won battles on the slot. Brandt knows his stuff. He is a former salary cap administrator for an NFL team, and his breakdown was excellent.

Here is the pasted information at the conclusion. Many others have attached the link throughout this thread:

The Wait: The offer on the table for Parker and Crabtree of a couple days ago was:

Five years, $20M, $16M guaranteed.

The final deal is:

Six years, $32M ($28M over the first five), $17M guaranteed.

Analysis: Many have speculated that Crabtree took the same deal he was being offered for weeks, if not months, by the team. Parker and Crabtree may have made $8M over the next five years with their trip to San Francisco yesterday.

Hopefully the above data points out the strengths and weaknesses of this deal from both sides. It was a win for the team on some things and a win for the player on others, a deal that neither side feels great about. That usually means it is a good deal for both sides.

This was quite a saga, with a final face-to-face meeting spurred by a chance meeting between 49ers president and owner Jed York and MC Hammer at a social function. Only in the NFL


I'm sorry I have not been able to respond to some that have been claiming "victory" the last couple days, and have attempted to attack my position that both sides would win.

I guess, once again, these individuals who hope for nothing more for me to be wrong..... are wrong, and I....am right. What a shocker!!!

Cheers.

P.S. Eric Heitmann is still a good football player!!!!

Ya gotta love MadDogs revisionist history.

MD: 2+2 is 6!!! You're a fool. I know all.

Marvin: Um, no....its 4.

MD: Fool!! I was right!!! 2+2 is 4. Thats what I have been saying all along!!!!


seriously, I don't even think it's worth it to argue with the Mad one... He's never wrong, don't cho' know...

- 98

Ya, I'm done arguing with him...I just think he's funny now.

oh, and for the record, MD quoted a writer "who said Crabtree and agent won" yet another prominent 49ers beat writer Ann Killion posted this on SI.com: 49ers the clear winner as Crabtree ends bizarre contract holdout...

By the looks of things, if the numbers a correct, it does seem like the 49er brass won this negotiation...

- 98

No need to convince 99% of us, or the beat writers for that matter, that the 49ers won. MD is on a very lonely island at the moment, and no one is joining him.

No one, including a cap expert, Brandt.

I knew this would happen. In fact, I PM'd someone about five minutes after posting my article from Brandt, saying that people would deny his article, or attack his credibility. People with no knowledge of the cap, salaries, would challenge an expert in the cap.

Just agree with the capologist, cut your losses and move on. The sun will still rise.
maddog, u win, ur just oh so amazing
  • mayo49
  • Veteran
  • Posts: 21,068
Mad, don't worry about it, it's no biggie, man.

[ Edited by mayo63 on Oct 8, 2009 at 12:09:22 ]
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by kidash:
so.... no MadDog sighting yet, huh???

- 98

No he showed up in typical Maddog fashion. Claiming that he was still right

According to Andrew Brandt's article on the National Football Post, I am right. Both sides made concessions, and both sides won battles on the slot. Brandt knows his stuff. He is a former salary cap administrator for an NFL team, and his breakdown was excellent.

Here is the pasted information at the conclusion. Many others have attached the link throughout this thread:

The Wait: The offer on the table for Parker and Crabtree of a couple days ago was:

Five years, $20M, $16M guaranteed.

The final deal is:

Six years, $32M ($28M over the first five), $17M guaranteed.

Analysis: Many have speculated that Crabtree took the same deal he was being offered for weeks, if not months, by the team. Parker and Crabtree may have made $8M over the next five years with their trip to San Francisco yesterday.

Hopefully the above data points out the strengths and weaknesses of this deal from both sides. It was a win for the team on some things and a win for the player on others, a deal that neither side feels great about. That usually means it is a good deal for both sides.

This was quite a saga, with a final face-to-face meeting spurred by a chance meeting between 49ers president and owner Jed York and MC Hammer at a social function. Only in the NFL


I'm sorry I have not been able to respond to some that have been claiming "victory" the last couple days, and have attempted to attack my position that both sides would win.

I guess, once again, these individuals who hope for nothing more for me to be wrong..... are wrong, and I....am right. What a shocker!!!

Cheers.

P.S. Eric Heitmann is still a good football player!!!!

Ya gotta love MadDogs revisionist history.

MD: 2+2 is 6!!! You're a fool. I know all.

Marvin: Um, no....its 4.

MD: Fool!! I was right!!! 2+2 is 4. Thats what I have been saying all along!!!!


You are attempting to smear me, so I ask you to show me, and the board, where I have been a revisionist. And, I will continue to ask you until you come up with something, or retract your statement.

You have an unfair, and untrue cheap shot. I will take your retraction with dignity.

You have dug yourself a hole. Good luck.

[ Edited by MadDog49er on Oct 8, 2009 at 12:07:34 ]
Originally posted by phatbutskinny:
maddog, u win, ur just oh so amazing

Thank you.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by phatbutskinny:
maddog, u win, ur just oh so amazing

Thank you.

You are welcome good sir, now gtfo
Originally posted by mayo63:
Mad, don't worry about, it's no biggie, man.

People are attempting to discredit me, but do not have one statement of proof. All I ask is for people who attack to share their proof.

So, for people who do want to take a cheap shot with lies, I am going to ask them to present the truth, for the board to see. Otherwise, they should retract their statements.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by kidash:
so.... no MadDog sighting yet, huh???

- 98

No he showed up in typical Maddog fashion. Claiming that he was still right

According to Andrew Brandt's article on the National Football Post, I am right. Both sides made concessions, and both sides won battles on the slot. Brandt knows his stuff. He is a former salary cap administrator for an NFL team, and his breakdown was excellent.

Here is the pasted information at the conclusion. Many others have attached the link throughout this thread:

The Wait: The offer on the table for Parker and Crabtree of a couple days ago was:

Five years, $20M, $16M guaranteed.

The final deal is:

Six years, $32M ($28M over the first five), $17M guaranteed.

Analysis: Many have speculated that Crabtree took the same deal he was being offered for weeks, if not months, by the team. Parker and Crabtree may have made $8M over the next five years with their trip to San Francisco yesterday.

Hopefully the above data points out the strengths and weaknesses of this deal from both sides. It was a win for the team on some things and a win for the player on others, a deal that neither side feels great about. That usually means it is a good deal for both sides.

This was quite a saga, with a final face-to-face meeting spurred by a chance meeting between 49ers president and owner Jed York and MC Hammer at a social function. Only in the NFL


I'm sorry I have not been able to respond to some that have been claiming "victory" the last couple days, and have attempted to attack my position that both sides would win.

I guess, once again, these individuals who hope for nothing more for me to be wrong..... are wrong, and I....am right. What a shocker!!!

Cheers.

P.S. Eric Heitmann is still a good football player!!!!

Ya gotta love MadDogs revisionist history.

MD: 2+2 is 6!!! You're a fool. I know all.

Marvin: Um, no....its 4.

MD: Fool!! I was right!!! 2+2 is 4. Thats what I have been saying all along!!!!


You are attempting to smear me, so I ask you to show me, and the board, where I have been a revisionist. And, I will continue to ask you until you come up with something, or retract your statement.

You have dug yourself a hole. Good luck.

ummmm, read this whole thread, esp. with your post claiming you were right.

Dude, how hard is it you say you were wrong? I mean, say it with me: I AM WRONG.

The fact that you keep insisting that you're right and it's been literally proven by most of the sport writers in America that the 49ers actually came on top is really , ummmmmm.... silly.

Cheers!

- 98
Originally posted by kidash:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by kidash:
so.... no MadDog sighting yet, huh???

- 98

No he showed up in typical Maddog fashion. Claiming that he was still right

According to Andrew Brandt's article on the National Football Post, I am right. Both sides made concessions, and both sides won battles on the slot. Brandt knows his stuff. He is a former salary cap administrator for an NFL team, and his breakdown was excellent.

Here is the pasted information at the conclusion. Many others have attached the link throughout this thread:

The Wait: The offer on the table for Parker and Crabtree of a couple days ago was:

Five years, $20M, $16M guaranteed.

The final deal is:

Six years, $32M ($28M over the first five), $17M guaranteed.

Analysis: Many have speculated that Crabtree took the same deal he was being offered for weeks, if not months, by the team. Parker and Crabtree may have made $8M over the next five years with their trip to San Francisco yesterday.

Hopefully the above data points out the strengths and weaknesses of this deal from both sides. It was a win for the team on some things and a win for the player on others, a deal that neither side feels great about. That usually means it is a good deal for both sides.

This was quite a saga, with a final face-to-face meeting spurred by a chance meeting between 49ers president and owner Jed York and MC Hammer at a social function. Only in the NFL


I'm sorry I have not been able to respond to some that have been claiming "victory" the last couple days, and have attempted to attack my position that both sides would win.

I guess, once again, these individuals who hope for nothing more for me to be wrong..... are wrong, and I....am right. What a shocker!!!

Cheers.

P.S. Eric Heitmann is still a good football player!!!!

Ya gotta love MadDogs revisionist history.

MD: 2+2 is 6!!! You're a fool. I know all.

Marvin: Um, no....its 4.

MD: Fool!! I was right!!! 2+2 is 4. Thats what I have been saying all along!!!!


You are attempting to smear me, so I ask you to show me, and the board, where I have been a revisionist. And, I will continue to ask you until you come up with something, or retract your statement.

You have dug yourself a hole. Good luck.

ummmm, read this whole thread, esp. with your post claiming you were right.

Dude, how hard is it you say you were wrong? I mean, say it with me: I AM WRONG.

The fact that you keep insisting that you're right and it's been literally proven by most of the sport writers in America that the 49ers actually came on top is really , ummmmmm.... silly.

Cheers!

- 98

Post where I am wrong. Please.

P.S. Most sports writers know s*it about the cap. I'll take the word from an expert in business and the cap than some journalism major who probably never spent one day in an Accounting or Finance class.

[ Edited by MadDog49er on Oct 8, 2009 at 12:13:57 ]
this is gonna get locked before 90.....
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by kidash:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by kidash:
so.... no MadDog sighting yet, huh???

- 98

No he showed up in typical Maddog fashion. Claiming that he was still right

According to Andrew Brandt's article on the National Football Post, I am right. Both sides made concessions, and both sides won battles on the slot. Brandt knows his stuff. He is a former salary cap administrator for an NFL team, and his breakdown was excellent.

Here is the pasted information at the conclusion. Many others have attached the link throughout this thread:

The Wait: The offer on the table for Parker and Crabtree of a couple days ago was:

Five years, $20M, $16M guaranteed.

The final deal is:

Six years, $32M ($28M over the first five), $17M guaranteed.

Analysis: Many have speculated that Crabtree took the same deal he was being offered for weeks, if not months, by the team. Parker and Crabtree may have made $8M over the next five years with their trip to San Francisco yesterday.

Hopefully the above data points out the strengths and weaknesses of this deal from both sides. It was a win for the team on some things and a win for the player on others, a deal that neither side feels great about. That usually means it is a good deal for both sides.

This was quite a saga, with a final face-to-face meeting spurred by a chance meeting between 49ers president and owner Jed York and MC Hammer at a social function. Only in the NFL


I'm sorry I have not been able to respond to some that have been claiming "victory" the last couple days, and have attempted to attack my position that both sides would win.

I guess, once again, these individuals who hope for nothing more for me to be wrong..... are wrong, and I....am right. What a shocker!!!

Cheers.

P.S. Eric Heitmann is still a good football player!!!!

Ya gotta love MadDogs revisionist history.

MD: 2+2 is 6!!! You're a fool. I know all.

Marvin: Um, no....its 4.

MD: Fool!! I was right!!! 2+2 is 4. Thats what I have been saying all along!!!!


You are attempting to smear me, so I ask you to show me, and the board, where I have been a revisionist. And, I will continue to ask you until you come up with something, or retract your statement.

You have dug yourself a hole. Good luck.

ummmm, read this whole thread, esp. with your post claiming you were right.

Dude, how hard is it you say you were wrong? I mean, say it with me: I AM WRONG.

The fact that you keep insisting that you're right and it's been literally proven by most of the sport writers in America that the 49ers actually came on top is really , ummmmmm.... silly.

Cheers!

- 98

Post where I am wrong. Please.

I think the biggest problem is Crabtree could have gotten this deal back in August. Most of the media is saying the niners came out on top. Perception is reality in the real world.

[ Edited by dirtysouthniner on Oct 8, 2009 at 12:16:30 ]
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by kidash:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by kidash:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by kidash:
so.... no MadDog sighting yet, huh???

- 98

No he showed up in typical Maddog fashion. Claiming that he was still right

According to Andrew Brandt's article on the National Football Post, I am right. Both sides made concessions, and both sides won battles on the slot. Brandt knows his stuff. He is a former salary cap administrator for an NFL team, and his breakdown was excellent.

Here is the pasted information at the conclusion. Many others have attached the link throughout this thread:

The Wait: The offer on the table for Parker and Crabtree of a couple days ago was:

Five years, $20M, $16M guaranteed.

The final deal is:

Six years, $32M ($28M over the first five), $17M guaranteed.

Analysis: Many have speculated that Crabtree took the same deal he was being offered for weeks, if not months, by the team. Parker and Crabtree may have made $8M over the next five years with their trip to San Francisco yesterday.

Hopefully the above data points out the strengths and weaknesses of this deal from both sides. It was a win for the team on some things and a win for the player on others, a deal that neither side feels great about. That usually means it is a good deal for both sides.

This was quite a saga, with a final face-to-face meeting spurred by a chance meeting between 49ers president and owner Jed York and MC Hammer at a social function. Only in the NFL


I'm sorry I have not been able to respond to some that have been claiming "victory" the last couple days, and have attempted to attack my position that both sides would win.

I guess, once again, these individuals who hope for nothing more for me to be wrong..... are wrong, and I....am right. What a shocker!!!

Cheers.

P.S. Eric Heitmann is still a good football player!!!!

Ya gotta love MadDogs revisionist history.

MD: 2+2 is 6!!! You're a fool. I know all.

Marvin: Um, no....its 4.

MD: Fool!! I was right!!! 2+2 is 4. Thats what I have been saying all along!!!!


seriously, I don't even think it's worth it to argue with the Mad one... He's never wrong, don't cho' know...

- 98

Ya, I'm done arguing with him...I just think he's funny now.

oh, and for the record, MD quoted a writer "who said Crabtree and agent won" yet another prominent 49ers beat writer Ann Killion posted this on SI.com: 49ers the clear winner as Crabtree ends bizarre contract holdout...

By the looks of things, if the numbers a correct, it does seem like the 49er brass won this negotiation...

- 98

No need to convince 99% of us, or the beat writers for that matter, that the 49ers won. MD is on a very lonely island at the moment, and no one is joining him.

No one, including a cap expert, Brandt.

I knew this would happen. In fact, I PM'd someone about five minutes after posting my article from Brandt, saying that people would deny his article, or attack his credibility. People with no knowledge of the cap, salaries, would challenge an expert in the cap.

Just agree with the capologist, cut your losses and move on. The sun will still rise.

No reason to spin what others have said. No one is denying Brandt's article or even attacking his credibility for that matter.

However, he fails to address how Crabtree's contract stacks up against Raji's in saying who eventually "won" the negotiation. As Sonoco previously stated, Raji's escalators are easily attained and bump his salary up to about somewhere near $29 million over 5 years, with more guaranteed money than Crabtree. When it averages out, even giving Crabtree the benefit of a 3/4 season this year, Raji is still going to end up making more than him barring some ridiculous career-ending injury.

The Niners held the slot, and negotiated the contract they wanted, as opposed to the DHB money that Parker was supposedly requesting. Did he gain from the $20 million/5 year deal that was supposedly on the table? Sure. But did the Niners still hold the slot compared the the deal the Raji got? Definitely. For you to completely dismiss these facts defies all logic. No one has to cut any losses, you're wrong and have been continually backpedaling and trying to spin things into your favor. Trust me, you would have lost a lot less respect from posters on here had you just admitted you were incorrect.