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My apologies on Aubrayo Franklin, and Manny Lawson

No need to apologize at all. Franklin has been playing MUCH better in a one-gap and b/c of that is much more visable to the fans, penetrating and playing to his strengths. That said, we're still ranked 16th against the run over the NT position. He's still growing and developing but is making nice strides and with both Wilfork/Williams hurt, he is establishing himself as one of the better NT's in the game.

Lawson is still terrible at getting to the QB with only .5 sacks, 1 QB Hits and only 5 QB Pressures in 109 pass-rushing attempts (through 3 games). But where he is weak, he's excelled in the run game BIG TIME; 9 tackles, 2 assists & 5 stops behind the LOS in 63 running plays. He no longer is over-pursuing and allowing big runs off tackle and is doing a fantastic job in general of stacking up the blockers on the edge and either making the tackle or allowing enough time for his teammates to get there. He's also doing a nice job of collapsing the corner and allowing others to get pressure at times and switches with Haralson between the SAM and WILL positions nicely. He's only been in coverage 28 times but has given up a TD and has been "OK" overall.

So again, both Franklin/Lawson are playing to their strengths and excelling at them right now but you don't need to apologize b/c both players have quite a ways to go before they are complete players and can be considered in the upper class.

Right now, the REST of the team-defense is really disguising the weaknesses both players still possess.

So in the end, we still need a dominant NT (or developing NT) and a pass rushing OLB.
kiss the rings, bi**h.











jk lol
Originally posted by NCommand:
No need to apologize at all. Franklin has been playing MUCH better in a one-gap and b/c of that is much more visable to the fans, penetrating and playing to his strengths. That said, we're still ranked 16th against the run over the NT position. He's still growing and developing but is making nice strides and with both Wilfork/Williams hurt, he is establishing himself as one of the better NT's in the game.

Lawson is still terrible at getting to the QB with only .5 sacks, 1 QB Hits and only 5 QB Pressures in 109 pass-rushing attempts (through 3 games). But where he is weak, he's excelled in the run game BIG TIME; 9 tackles, 2 assists & 5 stops behind the LOS in 63 running plays. He no longer is over-pursuing and allowing big runs off tackle and is doing a fantastic job in general of stacking up the blockers on the edge and either making the tackle or allowing enough time for his teammates to get there. He's also doing a nice job of collapsing the corner and allowing others to get pressure at times and switches with Haralson between the SAM and WILL positions nicely. He's only been in coverage 28 times but has given up a TD and has been "OK" overall.

So again, both Franklin/Lawson are playing to their strengths and excelling at them right now but you don't need to apologize b/c both players have quite a ways to go before they are complete players and can be considered in the upper class.

Right now, the REST of the team-defense is really disguising the weaknesses both players still possess.

So in the end, we still need a dominant NT (or developing NT) and a pass rushing OLB.

Well put, and a nice way of pointing out that our defense can be SOO much better than it already is! No wonder why Singletary continues to say that the defense hasn't reached it's potential yet...but once they do, the thought alone is scary!

In reference to Manny Lawson:
I really hope that our expectations for a 1st rd pick remain high. One or a few games don't make or break a player.
Still a long way to go before we call it a "turnaround" success..
Ummm, yeah its the change in philosophy that has improved his game. He stunk at 2 gap assignments. This niners d is attacking on the line so it changes his role. He is still getting two gaps but by busting into one and pushing the offensive player into the other one. It's a much different style and it works well for his game.

As far as needs are concerned a RT in the first round is a must. The best RT is what we need. After that we need to draft an o-line coach and a run game. Then we should be fine.
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
i know they are doing so good i dont see the need to get a NT anymore but our FS play has been better but not great so im still hoping for berry


Hell yea berry will give us a ball hawk safety and than our defense will get more turnovers...... I want Eric berry on our team also.
Originally posted by NCommand:
No need to apologize at all. Franklin has been playing MUCH better in a one-gap and b/c of that is much more visable to the fans, penetrating and playing to his strengths. That said, we're still ranked 16th against the run over the NT position. He's still growing and developing but is making nice strides and with both Wilfork/Williams hurt, he is establishing himself as one of the better NT's in the game.

Lawson is still terrible at getting to the QB with only .5 sacks, 1 QB Hits and only 5 QB Pressures in 109 pass-rushing attempts (through 3 games). But where he is weak, he's excelled in the run game BIG TIME; 9 tackles, 2 assists & 5 stops behind the LOS in 63 running plays. He no longer is over-pursuing and allowing big runs off tackle and is doing a fantastic job in general of stacking up the blockers on the edge and either making the tackle or allowing enough time for his teammates to get there. He's also doing a nice job of collapsing the corner and allowing others to get pressure at times and switches with Haralson between the SAM and WILL positions nicely. He's only been in coverage 28 times but has given up a TD and has been "OK" overall.

So again, both Franklin/Lawson are playing to their strengths and excelling at them right now but you don't need to apologize b/c both players have quite a ways to go before they are complete players and can be considered in the upper class.

Right now, the REST of the team-defense is really disguising the weaknesses both players still possess.

So in the end, we still need a dominant NT (or developing NT) and a pass rushing OLB.
There are very few "complete players" in the league. The key is to put players in positions and schemes where their strengths can be utilized.

A part of the "genius" of Bill Walsh was that he was very good a putting players in situations where they could do well. Those great teams in the '80s had a lot of players that were similar to Lawson and Franklin. John Ayers was not a very strong guy but he was terrific at pulling and trapping. Randy Cross was much the same. Keena Turner had some "weaknesses" as well but they all have rings.

Right now, Singletary/Manusky are doing a very good job of imitating Walsh.
These two guys are playing very well in this defense & I hope it continues for them.
Originally posted by dj43:
There are very few "complete players" in the league. The key is to put players in positions and schemes where their strengths can be utilized.

A part of the "genius" of Bill Walsh was that he was very good a putting players in situations where they could do well. Those great teams in the '80s had a lot of players that were similar to Lawson and Franklin. John Ayers was not a very strong guy but he was terrific at pulling and trapping. Randy Cross was much the same. Keena Turner had some "weaknesses" as well but they all have rings.

Right now, Singletary/Manusky are doing a very good job of imitating Walsh.

Isn't THAT the truth! Good parallel to Walsh and how he played to his teams individual strengths and schemed that way. Joe Montana didn't have a strong arm, was fragile, Rice had sub-par speed, Craig was more quick then fast, etc. I think you bring up a good point about how it's refreshing to see our coaches utilizing schemes tailored to our player's strengths something counter to the Nolan regime.

But in the case of Franklin & Lawson, they still are required to get the job done in a 3-4. And Franklin, first and foremost, has to stop the inside runs and he's 16th there. Lawson's primary job is to get to the QB and he only has .5 sacks (of course it was against the Rams) and only 1 QB hit and 5 QB Pressures. Eventually, once we start playing teams outside the NFC West, we'll REALLY need them to elevate their games in their weaknesses b/c we won't always play great team defense. There will be times where we'll need Franklin to be immoveable in the middle and there will be times when we need Manny to get a key sack (think Brett Favre).

[ Edited by NCommand on Oct 5, 2009 at 14:17:34 ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by dj43:
There are very few "complete players" in the league. The key is to put players in positions and schemes where their strengths can be utilized.

A part of the "genius" of Bill Walsh was that he was very good a putting players in situations where they could do well. Those great teams in the '80s had a lot of players that were similar to Lawson and Franklin. John Ayers was not a very strong guy but he was terrific at pulling and trapping. Randy Cross was much the same. Keena Turner had some "weaknesses" as well but they all have rings.

Right now, Singletary/Manusky are doing a very good job of imitating Walsh.

Isn't THAT the truth! Good parallel to Walsh and how he played to his teams individual strengths and schemed that way. Joe Montana didn't have a strong arm, was fragile, Rice had sub-par speed, Craig was more quick then fast, etc. I think you bring up a good point about how it's refreshing to see our coaches utilizing schemes tailored to our player's strengths something counter to the Nolan regime.

But in the case of Franklin & Lawson, they still are required to get the job done in a 3-4. And Franklin, first and foremost, has to stop the inside runs and he's 16th there. Lawson's primary job is to get to the QB and he only has .5 sacks (of course it was against the Rams) and only 1 QB hit and 5 QB Pressures. Eventually, once we start playing teams outside the NFC West, we'll REALLY need them to elevate their games in their weaknesses b/c we won't always play great team defense. There will be times were we'll need Franklin to be immoveable in the middle and there will be times when we need Manny to get a key sack (think Brett Favre).

ouch, dont want to think about that anymore!! lol
Originally posted by verb1der:
Ouch, dont want to think about that anymore!! lol

Sorry, it hurt just to type it!
I must ask you guys....

what does Goldson, Mcdonald, Lawson, and Haralson have in common?

they're all draft picks that have settled into starting roles, that just feels so good knowing that talent has been developed.
Originally posted by verb1der:
I must ask you guys....

what does Goldson, Mcdonald, Lawson, and Haralson have in common?

they're all draft picks that have settled into starting roles, that just feels so good knowing that talent has been developed.

Patrick Willis as well
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by dj43:
There are very few "complete players" in the league. The key is to put players in positions and schemes where their strengths can be utilized.

A part of the "genius" of Bill Walsh was that he was very good a putting players in situations where they could do well. Those great teams in the '80s had a lot of players that were similar to Lawson and Franklin. John Ayers was not a very strong guy but he was terrific at pulling and trapping. Randy Cross was much the same. Keena Turner had some "weaknesses" as well but they all have rings.

Right now, Singletary/Manusky are doing a very good job of imitating Walsh.

Isn't THAT the truth! Good parallel to Walsh and how he played to his teams individual strengths and schemed that way. Joe Montana didn't have a strong arm, was fragile, Rice had sub-par speed, Craig was more quick then fast, etc. I think you bring up a good point about how it's refreshing to see our coaches utilizing schemes tailored to our player's strengths something counter to the Nolan regime.

But in the case of Franklin & Lawson, they still are required to get the job done in a 3-4. And Franklin, first and foremost, has to stop the inside runs and he's 16th there. Lawson's primary job is to get to the QB and he only has .5 sacks (of course it was against the Rams) and only 1 QB hit and 5 QB Pressures. Eventually, once we start playing teams outside the NFC West, we'll REALLY need them to elevate their games in their weaknesses b/c we won't always play great team defense. There will be times where we'll need Franklin to be immoveable in the middle and there will be times when we need Manny to get a key sack (think Brett Favre).

Where do you get your stats? Do you have a link?
Originally posted by phatbutskinny:
Originally posted by verb1der:
I must ask you guys....

what does Goldson, Mcdonald, Lawson, and Haralson have in common?

they're all draft picks that have settled into starting roles, that just feels so good knowing that talent has been developed.

Patrick Willis as well

Oh definitely, Willis was never a question, but there have been plenty of questions and arguments about those four, and its just good to know they've stepped it up!