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Willis in coverage

I havent been able to watch all three games in thier entirety so im hoping someone whos seen every defensive snap can help me out. It seems that Patrick was a beast in pass coverage during the AZ game. However he seems to have gotten worse and worse with the Minnesota game being ...well not his best performance in coverage. He gave up some late passes on that last Favre drive and that Sidney Rice TD was on him. The only thing keeping him from being the truly dominant defensive force in this league seems to be his pass defense. Hes our best linebacker even in coverage (other than Manny) so to think of removing him on third downs is inconcievable.

But how far off the mark am i? I was hopin someone with more game access could hook it up.

[ Edited by ruthless49er on Oct 3, 2009 at 15:24:52 ]
Originally posted by ruthless49er:
I havent been able to watch all three games in thier entirety so im hoping someone whos seen every defensive snap can help me out. It seems that Patrick was a beast in pass coverage during the AZ game. However he seems to have gotten worse and worse with the Minnesota game being ...well not his best performance in coverage. He gave up some late passes on that last Favre drive and that Sidney Rice TD was on him. The only thing keeping him from being the truly dominant defensive force in this league seems to be his pass coverage. Hes our best linebacker even in coverage (other than Manny) so to think of removing him on third downs is inconcievable.

But how far off the mark am i? I was hopin someone with mroe game access could hook it up.


I don't know where to start with this....
First off, drugs are bad, lay off them. Next, take a 5 minute timeout and think about your life. Finally, erase this post and never speak of Willis again. I'm gonna go drink some more, watch cartoons and pretend this never happened.
This is coming from a vet? This says alot, vets can be just as ignorant as noobs.

Do you actually think NFL teams play man to man? In fact, if you ask players and coaches, it's very rare teams play man to man coverage. It's almost always some type of zone coverage with players responsible for being in the right areas.

Do you actually think linebackers can cover WR's???

[ Edited by kronik on Oct 3, 2009 at 15:36:42 ]
Originally posted by ImMikeHunt:
Originally posted by ruthless49er:
I havent been able to watch all three games in thier entirety so im hoping someone whos seen every defensive snap can help me out. It seems that Patrick was a beast in pass coverage during the AZ game. However he seems to have gotten worse and worse with the Minnesota game being ...well not his best performance in coverage. He gave up some late passes on that last Favre drive and that Sidney Rice TD was on him. The only thing keeping him from being the truly dominant defensive force in this league seems to be his pass coverage. Hes our best linebacker even in coverage (other than Manny) so to think of removing him on third downs is inconcievable.

But how far off the mark am i? I was hopin someone with mroe game access could hook it up.


I don't know where to start with this....
First off, drugs are bad, lay off them. Next, take a 5 minute timeout and think about your life. Finally, erase this post and never speak of Willis again. I'm gonna go drink some more, watch cartoons and pretend this never happened.

LOL to speak evil of Willis is to sin. I know the rule. If you think his pass defense is as good as his run defense id love to hear ur reasons.
Originally posted by kronik:
This is coming from a vet? This says alot, vets can be just as ignorant as noobs.

Do you actually think NFL teams play man to man? In fact, if you ask players and coaches, it's very rare teams play man to man coverage. It's almost always some type of zone coverage with players responsible for being in the right areas.

wow. so i say Willis isnt that dominant pass coverage and im ignorant. That TD to Rice Clements had the outside covered. Willis didnt get back far enough quick enough and Rice was able to make that catch. Harvin was able to get by Willis to make that first down catch on third down, Vikes final drive. thats just two of the biggest plays im talking about. Want to say im wrong sure hit me with facts. Say im ignorant and youve got a fight on ur hands.

Just playing. I miss the good old days when people would just discuss football on the zone.
I think Willis provides good coverage for an inside backer.

There are plays where he gets matched up one on one with a shifty back or a slot receiver though, and those are not good matchups for any inside backer.

Willis does do a nice job of dropping into to zone coverage though.

I guess how you feel about his coverage depends on what you are expecting to see from and inside linebacker. He's definately not going to turn his hips and run with a back or reciever like a corner would. You just have to know that.
the OP is right in that willis is not awesome in man to man coverage. last week against the vikes he got abused by chester taylor in space on one play which went for a big gain.

he is pretty good most of the time though. pwill excells in getting from sideline to sideline and taking care of everything else.
What other middle linebackers are better than Willis in coverage? The dudes not a cornerback! Sheesh.
Willis made the mistake of looking at favre

A couple of plays, willis kept following favre (as it looked like favre may scramble) and the player willis was covering would sneak off
Originally posted by 49erFan:
I think Willis provides good coverage for an inside backer.

There are plays where he gets matched up one on one with a shifty back or a slot receiver though, and those are not good match ups for any inside backer.

Willis does do a nice job of dropping into to zone coverage though.

I guess how you feel about his coverage depends on what you are expecting to see from and inside linebacker. He's definitely not going to turn his hips and run with a back or receiver like a corner would. You just have to know that.

I guess i hold much higher standards of play from Willis than others do. Hes got the speed and the athleticism to take over his middle zone. If receivers are coming over in the fourth quarter on the last drive of the game i expect Willis in his awesomeness to make a play. The TD to Rice there was no safety help for Nate. It seemed to me that it was Willis' responsibility to get deep enough to make Favre look elsewhere.

Ray Lewis in his prime was almost like a corner in his zone. I was hoping someone with more football knowledge could break it down for me. But for the most part it seems there are nothing but homers out here who cant process honest football questions.
It's still very early in his career. I'm sure he learns from this minimal mistakes, and gets better every year. He's a very coachable person, he will be better
Originally posted by ads_2006:
Willis made the mistake of looking at favre

A couple of plays, willis kept following favre (as it looked like favre may scramble) and the player willis was covering would sneak off

Im thinking thats what it is. Hes still really learning the nuances of pass defense. I think hell get there. Hes got all the tools to be dominant in the middle its whats keeping him from being in the Polamalu/ Reed/ Lewis perennial defensive MVP pool.
Originally posted by ruthless49er:
Originally posted by 49erFan:
I think Willis provides good coverage for an inside backer.

There are plays where he gets matched up one on one with a shifty back or a slot receiver though, and those are not good match ups for any inside backer.

Willis does do a nice job of dropping into to zone coverage though.

I guess how you feel about his coverage depends on what you are expecting to see from and inside linebacker. He's definitely not going to turn his hips and run with a back or receiver like a corner would. You just have to know that.

I guess i hold much higher standards of play from Willis than others do. Hes got the speed and the athleticism to take over his middle zone. If receivers are coming over in the fourth quarter on the last drive of the game i expect Willis in his awesomeness to make a play. The TD to Rice there was no safety help for Nate. It seemed to me that it was Willis' responsibility to get deep enough to make Favre look elsewhere.

Ray Lewis in his prime was almost like a corner in his zone. I was hoping someone with more football knowledge could break it down for me. But for the most part it seems there are nothing but homers out here who cant process honest football questions.

The TD to sidney rice was the entire defenses fault. Willis looked to be the closest man on the play but you cannot rely on an inside linebacker cover a receiver in the endzone especially one as athletic as Sidney Rice.

[ Edited by RichmondPete on Oct 3, 2009 at 16:43:07 ]
Originally posted by RichmondPete:
Originally posted by ruthless49er:
Originally posted by 49erFan:
I think Willis provides good coverage for an inside backer.

There are plays where he gets matched up one on one with a shifty back or a slot receiver though, and those are not good match ups for any inside backer.

Willis does do a nice job of dropping into to zone coverage though.

I guess how you feel about his coverage depends on what you are expecting to see from and inside linebacker. He's definitely not going to turn his hips and run with a back or receiver like a corner would. You just have to know that.

I guess i hold much higher standards of play from Willis than others do. Hes got the speed and the athleticism to take over his middle zone. If receivers are coming over in the fourth quarter on the last drive of the game i expect Willis in his awesomeness to make a play. The TD to Rice there was no safety help for Nate. It seemed to me that it was Willis' responsibility to get deep enough to make Favre look elsewhere.

Ray Lewis in his prime was almost like a corner in his zone. I was hoping someone with more football knowledge could break it down for me. But for the most part it seems there are nothing but homers out here who cant process honest football questions.

The TD to sidney rice was the entire defenses fault. Willis looked to be the closest man on the play but you cannot rely on an inside linebacker cover a receiver in the endzone period.

hmm it seemed to me that Willis got fooled on that play and took a step back a lil too late. I know looking at it that the ball was thrown over Willis' head. Just like Davis TD was on the middle LB who didnt drop back far enough it looked to me that Rice made a good move to the post and Willis wasnt far back enough.

On the ILB not covering WRs well part I guess it would fit if it was someone like say Beason or Tatupo or someone like that. but this is Patrick Willis we're talking about. the guy definetly has the speed and quickness to drop back in coverage. hes not your typical ILB not with that speed.

[ Edited by ruthless49er on Oct 3, 2009 at 16:46:59 ]
Originally posted by ruthless49er:
Originally posted by RichmondPete:
Originally posted by ruthless49er:
Originally posted by 49erFan:
I think Willis provides good coverage for an inside backer.

There are plays where he gets matched up one on one with a shifty back or a slot receiver though, and those are not good match ups for any inside backer.

Willis does do a nice job of dropping into to zone coverage though.

I guess how you feel about his coverage depends on what you are expecting to see from and inside linebacker. He's definitely not going to turn his hips and run with a back or receiver like a corner would. You just have to know that.

I guess i hold much higher standards of play from Willis than others do. Hes got the speed and the athleticism to take over his middle zone. If receivers are coming over in the fourth quarter on the last drive of the game i expect Willis in his awesomeness to make a play. The TD to Rice there was no safety help for Nate. It seemed to me that it was Willis' responsibility to get deep enough to make Favre look elsewhere.

Ray Lewis in his prime was almost like a corner in his zone. I was hoping someone with more football knowledge could break it down for me. But for the most part it seems there are nothing but homers out here who cant process honest football questions.

The TD to sidney rice was the entire defenses fault. Willis looked to be the closest man on the play but you cannot rely on an inside linebacker cover a receiver in the endzone period.

hmm it seemed to me that Willis got fooled on that play and took a step back a lil too late. I know looking at it that the ball was thrown over Willis' head. Just like Davis TD was on the middle LB who didnt drop back far enough it looked to me that Rice made a good move to the post and Willis wasnt far back enough.

On Linebackers Covering WR. Willis is the most athletic linebacker in the league, that does not mean he has anywhere near the coverage skills of a saftey or corner. If he did, he wouldnt be an ILB.

He did take a step back to late, I mean the guy cant make every play on the field. The point is that Willis was responsible for the middle, that play did not take long to develope and the worst thing an inside linebacker can do in that situation is commit to a receiver before he enters his zone. I dont think any linebacker would have made that play.

[ Edited by RichmondPete on Oct 3, 2009 at 16:53:51 ]