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Biggest Shock? Defensive Line Play

Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by B650:
Man, how are we going to beat the Colts in Indy? Colts are aggressive. They play to destroy you. That's what we need to do in order to pull out an upset. You can't relax against these guys. He beat Miami despite Miami having the ball 3/4 of the game, so I don't think being conservative and running the ball with Gore and Coffee all day guarantees a victory. We need to run, but we need to pass and exploit their secondary. Keep them on their toes.

Anyway, that game is too far ahead to be worrying about now. Let's take care of the Rams first.

Living here in San Diego, watching the Chargers too, I can tell you with conviction that you beat Indy by being VERY aggressive. That is, you bring a big-time pass rush and beat the hell out of Manning. But, to back up, it's starts at the LOS where the DB's get VERY fysical with the WR's and completely rape them and throw them off the timing routes that their offense is predicated upon. With that, and within his 4-5 seconds, you HAVE to get there and harrass Manning and frustrate him. The ONLY teams who have had success against the Colts are 3-4 defenses b/c they are bigger, stronger, aggressive and more fysical.

We aren't the Dolphins and we won't be to own the TOP for over 45 minutes. Period.

So this is the ONLY way to beat 'em IMHO.

One thing I don't understand is why don't teams force a QB to his left more often or to his off hand. You would be surprised how much their accuracy decreases when they have to flip their hips and make the throw or don't get a chance to flip their hips.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by B650:
Man, how are we going to beat the Colts in Indy? Colts are aggressive. They play to destroy you. That's what we need to do in order to pull out an upset. You can't relax against these guys. He beat Miami despite Miami having the ball 3/4 of the game, so I don't think being conservative and running the ball with Gore and Coffee all day guarantees a victory. We need to run, but we need to pass and exploit their secondary. Keep them on their toes.

Anyway, that game is too far ahead to be worrying about now. Let's take care of the Rams first.

Living here in San Diego, watching the Chargers too, I can tell you with conviction that you beat Indy by being VERY aggressive. That is, you bring a big-time pass rush and beat the hell out of Manning. But, to back up, it's starts at the LOS where the DB's get VERY fysical with the WR's and completely rape them and throw them off the timing routes that their offense is predicated upon. With that, and within his 4-5 seconds, you HAVE to get there and harrass Manning and frustrate him. The ONLY teams who have had success against the Colts are 3-4 defenses b/c they are bigger, stronger, aggressive and more fysical.

We aren't the Dolphins and we won't be to own the TOP for over 45 minutes. Period.

So this is the ONLY way to beat 'em IMHO.

One thing I don't understand is why don't teams force a QB to his left more often or to his off hand. You would be surprised how much their accuracy decreases when they have to flip their hips and make the throw or don't get a chance to flip their hips.

You're always right on it. That is a great point and I don't know why we don't overload with Lawson & Willis or Spikes on that side and blitz rush the QB right into Smith/Haralson's side.
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Originally posted by billbird2111:
I would say that I've been most surprised this year by the play of our defensive line. Now, I already knew that we had a pretty good player in Justin Smith. His impressive play so far this season has not been a surprise.

But Ray McDonald? Aubrayo Franklin? Isaac Sopoaga? Kentwan Balmer?

I mean -- people -- I'm not all that far removed from seeing posts where poor Isaac's name was tortured into such meanings as "Suckoaga." Remember that? Now the dude is just a BEAST on the line. Did you see him completely destroying double-team efforts against Minny? And Franklin? How much room did the supposed "best running back in the NFL" get up the middle last weekend? How about none?

Time and time again I saw AP traverse the line -- looking for an opening -- only to be met by the likes of Bam Bam, laying down the Lawson, etc. He got loose ONCE. Just ONCE people. That's pretty darn impressive.

I haven't seen a 49er defensive line play this well since the glory days of Bill Walsh. Not George Seifert mind you -- but the venerable one -- Walsh. That was a long time ago kids. Think Michael Carter.

So -- what's the deal here? Are the kids finally beginning to come into their own? Is it the presence of Tomsula as the DL Coach? Motivation by Singletary? A combination of all three?

I know our pass rush isn't all that great -- YET -- but so far I'd have to rate the D-Line play as ABSOLUTELY STELLAR.

Question is? How did this happen?


Who the hell is "Bam Bam?" I didn't Barney and Betty Rubble's kid was on our team.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by CoachSingletary:
Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
No more coach suit. He knew the X's and O's but had no sense of game management nor did he have any leadership qualities. The guys straight up despised his ways.

Sing is more of a players coach who can lead. He is fiery, intense, and made those guys work their buts off in practice. It is showing up on the field. Its not a coincidence that our guys are manhandling people after the most brutal camp in the league. Camp Sing really whipped em into shape!

To be fair to Coach Suit, I just don't think he is cut out to be a Head Coach. I think he's been a fairly good DC wherever he's gone.

Sing though, as of now, is getting players to buy into the fact that they are just as good if not better than their opponent.

Now if we could just do that on the offensive side, we'd be a better team.

I will second that....Nolan has been doing a good job with the Broncos. Remember the Broncos were one of the worst Defenses in the league last year and cost Shanahan his job!!

I'll 3rd that, Bronco's have the #1 defense this year. sure its only been three games, but Nolan definitely turned around that defense. Helps when you have Bailey, Dummervil and Dawkins there too. And will our defense ever get pass ranking #13??

If the 49ers played CLE, CIN, and OAK then they'd have the #1 ranked D at this time.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by Norwalks_Best:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
What we need is to spend that Carolina pick on Eric Berry to take over our SS position...

Eric Berry is a FS bro. Move Goldston to SS he can't cover squat but sure can hit!

How can he not cover squat?

He has an INT, and I think he was the one who broke up the pass that fell right into Spencer's hands.

Teams aren't completing a whole lot of passes deep on us, or in the middle of the field.

We need to spend that top 5 Carolina pick on the best offensive tackle on the board.

totally agree


Should've happened this year(Michael Oher),big mistake not only with the line but with the MC situation as well.
Originally posted by Super5:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by Norwalks_Best:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
What we need is to spend that Carolina pick on Eric Berry to take over our SS position...

Eric Berry is a FS bro. Move Goldston to SS he can't cover squat but sure can hit!

How can he not cover squat?

He has an INT, and I think he was the one who broke up the pass that fell right into Spencer's hands.

Teams aren't completing a whole lot of passes deep on us, or in the middle of the field.

We need to spend that top 5 Carolina pick on the best offensive tackle on the board.

totally agree


Should've happened this year(Michael Oher),big mistake not only with the line but with the MC situation as well.

We took the consensus best player available that is a position of need, you'd have probably had a cow right along with everyone else if we had passed on Crabtree.
Originally posted by Squirrel:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
I would say that I've been most surprised this year by the play of our defensive line. Now, I already knew that we had a pretty good player in Justin Smith. His impressive play so far this season has not been a surprise.

But Ray McDonald? Aubrayo Franklin? Isaac Sopoaga? Kentwan Balmer?

I mean -- people -- I'm not all that far removed from seeing posts where poor Isaac's name was tortured into such meanings as "Suckoaga." Remember that? Now the dude is just a BEAST on the line. Did you see him completely destroying double-team efforts against Minny? And Franklin? How much room did the supposed "best running back in the NFL" get up the middle last weekend? How about none?

Time and time again I saw AP traverse the line -- looking for an opening -- only to be met by the likes of Bam Bam, laying down the Lawson, etc. He got loose ONCE. Just ONCE people. That's pretty darn impressive.

I haven't seen a 49er defensive line play this well since the glory days of Bill Walsh. Not George Seifert mind you -- but the venerable one -- Walsh. That was a long time ago kids. Think Michael Carter.

So -- what's the deal here? Are the kids finally beginning to come into their own? Is it the presence of Tomsula as the DL Coach? Motivation by Singletary? A combination of all three?

I know our pass rush isn't all that great -- YET -- but so far I'd have to rate the D-Line play as ABSOLUTELY STELLAR.

Question is? How did this happen?


Who the hell is "Bam Bam?" I didn't Barney and Betty Rubble's kid was on our team.

"Bam Bam" is the nickname Ochocinco gave Willis before we played the Bengals during Patrick's rookie year.
Nice post and very true. It is surprising. Just when I have written off Franklin he is playing damn good. Behind J.Smith, our best D-lineman. I hope the D-line continues to play solid.
Ray Mac. Soap has been good. Franklin has been real good. Balmer? Haven't seen him in there much. Mac has been the biggest to me.
Originally posted by Giant9er:
Originally posted by FL9er:
Originally posted by Norwalks_Best:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
What we need is to spend that Carolina pick on Eric Berry to take over our SS position...

Eric Berry is a FS bro. Move Goldston to SS he can't cover squat but sure can hit!

Unless he's the BPA, I never take a safety that high over a franchise QB, DL, OLB (3-4), OT or WR. Let Seattle make that mistake.

Isn't that about where we got Ronnie Lott ? 1st round ?

Mmm. He was drafted as a cornerback, or possibly more accurately as a guy who could play all four positions.
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Giant9er:
Originally posted by FL9er:
Originally posted by Norwalks_Best:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
What we need is to spend that Carolina pick on Eric Berry to take over our SS position...

Eric Berry is a FS bro. Move Goldston to SS he can't cover squat but sure can hit!

Unless he's the BPA, I never take a safety that high over a franchise QB, DL, OLB (3-4), OT or WR. Let Seattle make that mistake.

Isn't that about where we got Ronnie Lott ? 1st round ?

Mmm. He was drafted as a cornerback, or possibly more accurately as a guy who could play all four positions.

Berry has played all the DB positions @ UT and excelled enough to be defensive player of the year while playing three different positions in the same year. I agree you never take a safety with a really high pick, unless the guy is Berry, you just have to realize what a singular type talent this guy is. I think he is another Lott type in the making. I would put him at FS and move Goldson over to SS.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Super5:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by Norwalks_Best:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
What we need is to spend that Carolina pick on Eric Berry to take over our SS position...

Eric Berry is a FS bro. Move Goldston to SS he can't cover squat but sure can hit!

How can he not cover squat?

He has an INT, and I think he was the one who broke up the pass that fell right into Spencer's hands.

Teams aren't completing a whole lot of passes deep on us, or in the middle of the field.

We need to spend that top 5 Carolina pick on the best offensive tackle on the board.

totally agree


Should've happened this year(Michael Oher),big mistake not only with the line but with the MC situation as well.

We took the consensus best player available that is a position of need, you'd have probably had a cow right along with everyone else if we had passed on Crabtree.

Honestly,as good as Crabtree is supposed to be I was disappointed the 49ers didn't pick Oher.
Originally posted by Super5:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Super5:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by Norwalks_Best:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
What we need is to spend that Carolina pick on Eric Berry to take over our SS position...

Eric Berry is a FS bro. Move Goldston to SS he can't cover squat but sure can hit!

How can he not cover squat?

He has an INT, and I think he was the one who broke up the pass that fell right into Spencer's hands.

Teams aren't completing a whole lot of passes deep on us, or in the middle of the field.

We need to spend that top 5 Carolina pick on the best offensive tackle on the board.

totally agree


Should've happened this year(Michael Oher),big mistake not only with the line but with the MC situation as well.

We took the consensus best player available that is a position of need, you'd have probably had a cow right along with everyone else if we had passed on Crabtree.

Honestly,as good as Crabtree is supposed to be I was disappointed the 49ers didn't pick Oher.

I live in MD and hear the local radio guys talking about how well Oher is playing also how much of a team guy he is and how much Ray Lewis loves him. Can't fault the 9ers for taking him though, when GB passed on him at #9 i was screaming Crabtree!
I've watched all the games live but I haven't re-watched them. How is Balmer doing?
I think they're using a better rotation than they've used in the past years. Now our line is able to go 100% all out and not be worried about being tired later in the drive because of our suitable backups and our rotation between them.