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Where NFC West passers rank on third down

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/6003/where-nfc-west-passers-rank-on-third-down

The 49ers' Shaun Hill remained among the NFL's four highest-rated passers on third down even though San Francisco failed to convert any of its 11 opportunities during its Week 3 defeat at Minnesota.

Hill completed 5-of-8 passes for 32 yards on third down in that game. The 49ers needed 11.1 yards on average to get first downs on those plays.

Seattle's Seneca Wallace moved into the top five among NFL third-down passers after completing third-down passes of 11, 13, 16, 20 and 39 yards against the Bears. Wallace completed only 5 of 10 attempts on third down in the game. Julius Jones helped him out by exploiting poor Bears tackling for a 39-yard touchdown on a third-and-19 screen play.

Kurt Warner's third-down numbers have been weak so far this season, but no NFL passer with at least five attempts has fared worse than the Rams' Kyle Boller (2.8 rating on nine attempts).
Shaun Hill fact of the day: free him!
That just goes to show you that we're not gaining enough yards on 1st and 2nd down. No matter how many yards you get on 3rd down, if it doesn't result in a 1st down, then it doesn't matter.
[ Edited by FourNine49 on Sep 29, 2009 at 11:23 AM ]
Originally posted by valrod33:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/6003/where-nfc-west-passers-rank-on-third-down

The 49ers' Shaun Hill remained among the NFL's four highest-rated passers on third down even though San Francisco failed to convert any of its 11 opportunities during its Week 3 defeat at Minnesota.

Hill completed 5-of-8 passes for 32 yards on third down in that game. The 49ers needed 11.1 yards on average to get first downs on those plays.

Seattle's Seneca Wallace moved into the top five among NFL third-down passers after completing third-down passes of 11, 13, 16, 20 and 39 yards against the Bears. Wallace completed only 5 of 10 attempts on third down in the game. Julius Jones helped him out by exploiting poor Bears tackling for a 39-yard touchdown on a third-and-19 screen play.

Kurt Warner's third-down numbers have been weak so far this season, but no NFL passer with at least five attempts has fared worse than the Rams' Kyle Boller (2.8 rating on nine attempts).

That right there tells it all...it's all on Singletary's goal of being a smash mouth football team coupled with the VERY vanilla and predictable Raye and you constantly put Hill and this offense in horrible positions! Period.

Again, Hill and this offense seem to be successful INSPITE of our coaches and their vanilla philosphy!
Let Hill pass the damn ball, especially with Gore out, we still need to run but damn man Shaun is proving he is a capable QB
I sure hope we get going this week against the Rams & dominate them.
Originally posted by valrod33:
Let Hill pass the damn ball, especially with Gore out, we still need to run but damn man Shaun is proving he is a capable QB

Exactly
It sounds like getting Singletary to unleash Hill will be an "UP HILL BATTLE".

valrod33 thanks those are interesting facts.
[ Edited by 49ERwhiner on Sep 29, 2009 at 11:33 AM ]
ill try to keep this updated cuz Sando does it every week

here is week 2

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/5771/eli-manning-drew-brees-and-shaun-hill
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by valrod33:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/6003/where-nfc-west-passers-rank-on-third-down

The 49ers' Shaun Hill remained among the NFL's four highest-rated passers on third down even though San Francisco failed to convert any of its 11 opportunities during its Week 3 defeat at Minnesota.

Hill completed 5-of-8 passes for 32 yards on third down in that game. The 49ers needed 11.1 yards on average to get first downs on those plays.

Seattle's Seneca Wallace moved into the top five among NFL third-down passers after completing third-down passes of 11, 13, 16, 20 and 39 yards against the Bears. Wallace completed only 5 of 10 attempts on third down in the game. Julius Jones helped him out by exploiting poor Bears tackling for a 39-yard touchdown on a third-and-19 screen play.

Kurt Warner's third-down numbers have been weak so far this season, but no NFL passer with at least five attempts has fared worse than the Rams' Kyle Boller (2.8 rating on nine attempts).

That right there tells it all...it's all on Singletary's goal of being a smash mouth football team coupled with the VERY vanilla and predictable Raye and you constantly put Hill and this offense in horrible positions! Period.

Again, Hill and this offense seem to be successful INSPITE of our coaches and their vanilla philosphy!

Completely agree. Run it up the gut for 2 yards. Run it up the gut for -3 yards. Hill was then left trying to pick up 3rd and long on a pass, which often fell a yard or two short. Punt. Rinse and repeat until we start to fall behind, then rely on Hill when we need the points. Except for Gore's two long runs against the Hawks, the run game has been mostly ineffective.
Of course, the defense is stacking nine in the box and challenging the Niners to use Hill to beat them. Instead of adjusting, and therefore, forcing the defense to adjust, which could lead to success in the run game, the Niners continue to just pound there collective heads against the brick wall at the line of scrimage. Once the Niners can get opposing defenses looking for the pass instead of the run, the running game will start to take off. But they need more variety in the playcalling for that to happen.
again we should be 3-0 if it wasnt for the worst playcalling ever.
Originally posted by 49Crabs:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by valrod33:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/6003/where-nfc-west-passers-rank-on-third-down

The 49ers' Shaun Hill remained among the NFL's four highest-rated passers on third down even though San Francisco failed to convert any of its 11 opportunities during its Week 3 defeat at Minnesota.

Hill completed 5-of-8 passes for 32 yards on third down in that game. The 49ers needed 11.1 yards on average to get first downs on those plays.

Seattle's Seneca Wallace moved into the top five among NFL third-down passers after completing third-down passes of 11, 13, 16, 20 and 39 yards against the Bears. Wallace completed only 5 of 10 attempts on third down in the game. Julius Jones helped him out by exploiting poor Bears tackling for a 39-yard touchdown on a third-and-19 screen play.

Kurt Warner's third-down numbers have been weak so far this season, but no NFL passer with at least five attempts has fared worse than the Rams' Kyle Boller (2.8 rating on nine attempts).

That right there tells it all...it's all on Singletary's goal of being a smash mouth football team coupled with the VERY vanilla and predictable Raye and you constantly put Hill and this offense in horrible positions! Period.

Again, Hill and this offense seem to be successful INSPITE of our coaches and their vanilla philosphy!

Completely agree. Run it up the gut for 2 yards. Run it up the gut for -3 yards. Hill was then left trying to pick up 3rd and long on a pass, which often fell a yard or two short. Punt. Rinse and repeat until we start to fall behind, then rely on Hill when we need the points. Except for Gore's two long runs against the Hawks, the run game has been mostly ineffective.
Of course, the defense is stacking nine in the box and challenging the Niners to use Hill to beat them. Instead of adjusting, and therefore, forcing the defense to adjust, which could lead to success in the run game, the Niners continue to just pound there collective heads against the brick wall at the line of scrimage. Once the Niners can get opposing defenses looking for the pass instead of the run, the running game will start to take off. But they need more variety in the playcalling for that to happen.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!!!!
Feel bad for Hill. Run on 1st, loss of 3. Run on 2nd gain of 1. Then, Hill has to save our butts on 3rd and 12.
Hill hasn't made many mistakes, why not put some faith in him?
You guys are looking at it from only your own perspectives. If we do not run, and only come out passing, like we did on the opening drive last Sunday, we go three and out still. That wasn't on the play calling, that was on the o line not blocking and Hill not hitting his targets. First play sack, second play overthrowing(!) a route, third play, another incomplete pass. Hill is an alright QB, but he is not as good as some of you think he is. He is a game manager, not a superstar.