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Running Game

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
Originally posted by Joecool:
We are REALLY missing the speed bounce-it-out back. I know Arizona was in our backfield often but there were also quite a few times where Gore is running into the back of his own line looking for a crease and not going anywhere for a second or two before a defensive player even got a hand on him. On these plays, I think, if Gore had more outside speed, he could have bounced these outside. Arizona was blitzing backers in the middle and clogging the middle entirely. Teams are not afraid of Gore bouncing it outside and gaining much yardage.

I don't know, Sheets is not going to get much playing time if any at all but there is one guy who I think can help us out in this area: Spurlock. I think Spurlock has the quickness and speed to be a temporary change of pace back. He seems to be our utitility knife player on offense.

Does anyone know why we didn't use a lead blocker / Moran Norris more often??


It wouldn't have mattered...the Tards were stacking the box and bringing a blitzter on almost every play (or at least it seemed that way). They made the decision to take Gore out of the game and were forcing Hill to make plays (which makes sense, btw)...he made just enough to pull off the win.

It seems like to me if Hill could makes plays with his arm they wouldn't stacked the box like they did. I know a lot was play calling, but watching Hill throw into double coverage, which it seemed like his ball was so soft it allowed the safety enough time to get over and help made it a lot easier to stack the box.

Totally agree...he's not a serious/consistent threat at QB which is why they dared him to beat them and sold out against the run/pass. In his defense though, Hill did make just enough plays (mostly in the 4th quarter when it counted) to move the chains and win the game. The downside is, he doesn't have the talent to hurt defenses on a consistent basis, so most teams will likely employ the same strategy.
Originally posted by 49ersnum1:
Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by 49ersnum1:
Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by 49ersnum1:
yeah. bottom line is they know what we were going to do, they blitzed their linebackers and blew up the oline. No holes for Frank Gore, I just think we need to mix it up more like we were doing when we were moving the ball. that 70% run s**t aiint going to work. Lest commit to more like 55-45 run pass

Sunday's game featured 43% of all plays as running.

So, you've already got what you've asked for.

yeah, but when we were moving the ball, they were all pass plays. When we ran we went backwards for the most part so we had to start throwing. If you look at the first half and how the second half started, It was clear we were going to run the ball, that made it easy for Billy Davis to dial up the LB Blitz. we went 3 and out on 5 of our 6 second half drives, mainly because of the run, that TD drive we threw the ball like 12 of the 15 plays

I'm not sure what you're asking for. You've complained, invalidly so, about the percentage of running plays ran on Sunday. Now, you're saying they should have passed from the start and used the running game as a secondary feature.

The running game, while futile, set up the pass. Would you have rather the team open it up from the beginning and completely abandon the run? You might as well re-hire Martz and trade for JT O'Sullivan.

Your posts smell an awful lot like a Monday Morning Quarterback splitting hairs over how the team should have won.


not at all what im saying, your missing the point BADLY. Im saying Arizona knew we were going to run, so the run was no effective the whole game. What im saying is that the run opened up the pass, especially at the end. We came out with the run run pass approach and it didnt work, so like a stated on my first post we need to come out more of a closer to 55-45 approach and keep the defense on their toes. The best offense is when the defense doesnt know whats coming. We made it easy for Arizona defensively, and Oline didnt bring their A game, and Gore didnt have a Gore like game.

And that's what happened. I think I need you to summarize your point in one sentence, because it seems like you're simply dictating reality. We came out about even in run plays to pass plays, setting up the pass with the run and won.

As noted below, the run and pass was virtually split throughout each quarter.

First Quarter: 5 Running Plays, 7 Passing Plays
Second Quarter: 7 Running Plays, 12 Passing Plays
Third Quarter: 5 Running Plays, 4 Passing Plays
Fourth Quarter: 8 Running Plays, 13 Running Plays

[ Edited by redrathman on Sep 15, 2009 at 13:33:17 ]
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by 49ersnum1:
yeah. bottom line is they know what we were going to do, they blitzed their linebackers and blew up the oline. No holes for Frank Gore, I just think we need to mix it up more like we were doing when we were moving the ball. that 70% run s**t aiint going to work. Lest commit to more like 55-45 run pass

Sunday's game featured 43% of all plays as running.

So, you've already got what you've asked for.

That percentage though skewed by the amoutn of passing in the 4th when we had to. Before that it wasn't good enough. I'd like to see more of the quick hitting passes like NE runs with Welker. The pats run that 5-7 times a game and it never loses yards. We could at least try it once. SIng said he wants to be able run when you have to, which would be the 4th quarter. We did the opposite. More passing early is the best recipe for running late. I don't think having a speedier back would mae any difference with the plays that were called.

We ran five more running plays than passing in the fourth quarter (13 to 8).

I'm going to completely ignore the New England Patriots / Wes Welker comparison because as you know, we don't have Tom Brady, Wes Welker or an offensive line of that caliber.
Did Robinson even do anything against Arizona? We have no speed to run sweeps or to run a stretch. You know where I'm going with this...
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Did Robinson even do anything against Arizona? We have no speed to run sweeps or to run a stretch. You know where I'm going with this...

f**k Kory Sheets
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Did Robinson even do anything against Arizona? We have no speed to run sweeps or to run a stretch. You know where I'm going with this...

Three special teams tackles and limited time at fullback and in the slot. Just because he didn't make the highlights doesn't mean he didn't do anything.
I AM happy that we didn't go away from the run up the middle also. Going away from what you want your image to be and what you have been practicing over and over again would have been a major hit on the confidence and attitude of the players have on our running game.
Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by dj43:
This first game is not a good test for several reasons:

Everyone knew the 49ers were going to pound it inside. That was the entire message all off-season.

Baas and Snyder missed much of training camp and practice time, and it showed. Baas has yet what the 49ers hoped to get with him. Though he gets a pass for a while yet due to injury, his same shortcomings in agility and footwork were evident on Sunday.

Seattle took away all the running lanes most of the time. There was frequently an OLB coming off the edge that would have denied a break to the outside.

Let's wait to see what adjustments are made against the Seahawks before we go postal on the running game, roster and play calling. Good adjustments were made in the second half and they won. Let's hope that continues.

I'm confused. You mention Seattle in the above post. Are you from the future?

In all seriousness, all a fan needs to do is listen to Mike Singletary speak at his Monday presser . He isn't Dennis Erickson, who mumbled and bumbled his way through questions, all the while dodging answers. He also isn't Mike Nolan, who couldn't admit to defeat on all fronts. Singletary is a man of character and integrity, and he's going to tell it as it is.
I'm always thinking ahead.
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
Originally posted by Joecool:
We are REALLY missing the speed bounce-it-out back. I know Arizona was in our backfield often but there were also quite a few times where Gore is running into the back of his own line looking for a crease and not going anywhere for a second or two before a defensive player even got a hand on him. On these plays, I think, if Gore had more outside speed, he could have bounced these outside. Arizona was blitzing backers in the middle and clogging the middle entirely. Teams are not afraid of Gore bouncing it outside and gaining much yardage.

I don't know, Sheets is not going to get much playing time if any at all but there is one guy who I think can help us out in this area: Spurlock. I think Spurlock has the quickness and speed to be a temporary change of pace back. He seems to be our utitility knife player on offense.

Does anyone know why we didn't use a lead blocker / Moran Norris more often??


It wouldn't have mattered...the Tards were stacking the box and bringing a blitzter on almost every play (or at least it seemed that way). They made the decision to take Gore out of the game and were forcing Hill to make plays (which makes sense, btw)...he made just enough to pull off the win.

It seems like to me if Hill could makes plays with his arm they wouldn't stacked the box like they did. I know a lot was play calling, but watching Hill throw into double coverage, which it seemed like his ball was so soft it allowed the safety enough time to get over and help made it a lot easier to stack the box.

Totally agree...he's not a serious/consistent threat at QB which is why they dared him to beat them and sold out against the run/pass. In his defense though, Hill did make just enough plays (mostly in the 4th quarter when it counted) to move the chains and win the game. The downside is, he doesn't have the talent to hurt defenses on a consistent basis, so most teams will likely employ the same strategy.
I agree with your point about the threat of Hill. However, he did very well with the game on the line...this time. Maybe he is the kind of guy that plays just well enough to win. I am just old enough to remember the Joe Kapp days at Minne. He couldn't throw a spiral if it had a motor. His passes were the ugliest things ever seen in the league. He looked as clumsy as a drunk at 2:00 AM...and sometimes he was rumored to be that guy...but he won.

I join with the many who question Hill's upside but I will also wait to see what happens. If Seattle comes out the same way AZ did, then we may get a quick answer. In a way, I hope that is what happens as I really want to find out if he is one of those guys that just win.
I know the run blocking was miserable at Arizona but I do not think we totally suck when we wiped out the Raiders and ran pretty well on the cowboys. It was a bunch of situations like guys coming back and the Arizona gameplan. I think the one area we did screw up on was adapting quicker to the situation though skipping from one plan to another does seem erratic in all areas. If the defense can pressure Hassleback, I think they will win quite a few games handily. I think we forget that Arizona tore thru a lot of teams late last year and to beat them fysically was no small deal. I think the niners have some decent DL in Ray Macdonald and Balmer with RJF who seems almost a clone for MacDonald in skills. I do not know why they feel they need Evans though it is a long season. One thing I strongly feel is that the niners need to bring up quite a few reserves soon. Guys like Brit Miller, Sheets, Boone, Diyral Briggs and even Eric Green though we sure do not seem to lack for top DBs. I just feel Norris, Marques Douglas, Sims, Evans and a couple of others like Rossum do not offer much to the team while these new guys could add significant verve and dash to a growing team. True they may be a bit raw but better raw then not good and declining. I am thinking though of all the coaches since Walsh, Singletary has the most sensible soundest judgment I have seen. So when needed he will make good decisions. Hurray for crab elimination day. Better Jerry Jones get his cojones munched on by the Crabs. If you must live with crabs you need to defang them and beat them half to death so they learn to bite only opposing teams.
Ray should be fired, he needs to be held accountable he said 60% runnig and we are 32 in Rushing after week one. We were suppose to have top five running back ( Gore )don't care about how the OL played the OC should have corrected it at the half !
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With the new "spread" offense ok not really - but with the offense bening opened up a little more, it looks like there are a few more holes for running plays, but I am still frustrated why we do not try to run outside a little more often. Gore has the vision and decent speed to take runs to the outside, and that will allow the interior part of the line (and in my opinion the weakest part of the line) to not have to sustain their blocks. It seemed when we ran that pitch to Robinson there was a good amounf of running room. But just thinking out loud. Overall a win is a win. So that is good.
Gore is best running between the tackles, period.
It's all about player personnel. Think Baas and Rachal can pull and beat a MLB to the edge? I think not.

The team is built as a straight ahead blocking team and not as a pulling team that can go to the outside.
Originally posted by babby1974:
With the new "spread" offense ok not really - but with the offense bening opened up a little more, it looks like there are a few more holes for running plays, but I am still frustrated why we do not try to run outside a little more often. Gore has the vision and decent speed to take runs to the outside, and that will allow the interior part of the line (and in my opinion the weakest part of the line) to not have to sustain their blocks. It seemed when we ran that pitch to Robinson there was a good amounf of running room. But just thinking out loud. Overall a win is a win. So that is good.

ITS GOOD BUT NOT GRAET AT ALL.IT WILL ONLY BE GREAT WENE GORE STOPS GETTING INJURED.HE SPRAINED HIS ANKLE AGAIN I THINK.HE WAS LIMPING.