Originally posted by djfullshred:Originally posted by Jersey9er:Originally posted by D_Niner:Originally posted by Jersey9er:
I mean yeah Cool does ride hill's nuts pretty hard, but thats who he backs. cant fault a brotha for that.
With hill i just say this, why does shaun suck until the 4th quarter. But another statment then a question. Hill needs to score TD's in the first 3 quarters, because trust me when i say teams will notice that he may play strong in the 4th quarter and when teams get wind of this there goes our season.
I wanna see hill manage and SCORE, in the game. I aint gonna diss him yet, because he did win the first game for us. But most teams wont wait around like the Cards did.
Because Cool liking or not, hill was the king of 3 and outs on Sunday. and wait till we play a team that capitalizes on turnovers, and 3 and outs, and they'll eat us up. So i hope he improves after all this talk about seattle, cause in a way, hill's the same as he said about them, can make some good plays, but he is who we thought he was.
Go niners, and i cant wait till sunday.
Wow, now that's just ignorant. Here's the run-down...
13 O possessions.
8 3-&-outs (Doesn't look good in the stat book; but lets look at the facts)
1st 3-&-Out: Its 3rd and 15 Hill completes for 13. (not a first down)
2nd 3-&-Out: Its 3rd and 13 Hill completes for 12. (not a first down)
3rd 3-&-Out: Its 3rd and 20 AZ crushes the pocket and forces a fumble.(held onto the ball too long)
4th 3-&-Out: Its 3rd and 6 Incompletion. Now that's on Hill! (you got it)
5th 3-&-Out: Its 3rd and 9 and a run is called. (maybe not his fault but read below)
6th 3-&-Out: Its 3rd and 9 and Hill gets sacked. (held on the ball too long)
Were running out the clock at this time...
7th 3-&-Out: Its 3rd and 7 and a run is called. (maybe not his fault)
8th 3-&-Out: Its 3rd and 2 and a run is called. (maybe not his fault)
Now if you count the INC, Fumble, and Sack against Hill then 3 of the 8 were his fault. I don't blame the guy for completing passes on 3rd and long or for the OC calling run plays...
Looking at the 13 posessions we had on O, I don't know how anyone can call Hill "the king of 3 and outs" when only 3 are his fault...
Brotha D, wuz goin on, it's been a while. Nice try, but i do wanna thank you for actually proving my point. Now i would have made comments by each down, so make sure u read the parenthesis.
Now on the plays of 3 and whatever, his job is to get a first down. That wasnt achieved so that does fall on the qb. It was a passing play called not run. On the running plays, you cant knock them because i also ask you, we didnt have one drive that was all run. The run is supposed to be the focus, but the passes completed to keep opposing defenses off their game.
When he does get a chance to throw, he has to make the most of the opportunity. if it gets to third down, or 4th where we have to kick then honestly at least one of those downs was a passing play that got nothing or not much.
Bomb to bruce was good, but for the rest of the game, i dont know what you were watching, but he threw behind, over, and too short to receivers. Almosst all his passes where within 15 yards. Do you realize that a reason VD didnt have over 50 yards, and a ton of catches, is probably because defenses know that Davis will be hills no.1 target. and if you shut him down then u create desperation.
ON that drive that he scored, he was efficient for what he does best, short, quick accurate throws within 15 yards, and he drove us to a TD. But why cant he do it in quarter 1, 2, and 3.
I aint knocking hill cause he got a win, but at the same time i say lets be realistic, on what actually went down. not what you do or dont want to see.
OK, let's be realistic. Hill needs to be sharper for sure. No doubt about it. But king of 3 & outs? That is not realistic either bro.
My realistic opinion is the guy played above average football. Not crappy football. Not great football. But pretty decent in a game where there is no disagreement the O-line got completely manhandled. Now I am not making excuse because of the O-line...because there really are no excuses needed for a QB coming off a win with an 89 QB rating. I am not a stats tell the whole story kind of guy, but for sure they tell part of the story.
I think most people just get annoyed by the double-standards when it comes to evaluating the stats.
Things like 3 and outs -- where people blabbed ignorantly about Alex saying he was at fault regardless of the play-call are using the same stats to defend Hill. I see this, but I often don't say anything because I'd rather not get involved in this neverending debate.
All I'm saying is for THIS particular statement or label, as the "Three and out" king.. please stop. If you actually go back and look at the stats, you'll see that Alex and Hill are virtually equal, with Hill having an arguably much better team, however.