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Why does Shaun Hill ALWAYS suck in the 3rd quarter?

Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Method:
Originally posted by T83RR:
I think that Hill's 4th-quarter numbers are so good because it's often meaningless garbage time prevent junk. He is definitely better in the 4th quarter than the 3rd, but not to the degree shown by the stats.

agreed

Has anyone noticed how great Hill is on 3rd downs?

Uhmmmm.,,, in the second half of Cards game, I believe the 9ers had 6 offensive drive possessions. They went "3 and out" on 5 of 6 drives except for that one T/D drive.

Now what were you saying about how" great" Hill is on 3rd downs?
Originally posted by BigMar:


Uhmmmm.,,, in the second half of Cards game, I believe the 9ers had 6 offensive drive possessions. They went "3 and out" on 5 of 6 drives except for that one T/D drive.

Now what were you saying about how" great" Hill is on 3rd downs?

First off, one half of football is nowhere NEAR enough to make a judgment about a player as a whole.

Second, here are the 6 drives:

1: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run, no first down.
2: 3 and out - 3rd down was an incompletion.
3: 3 and out - 3rd down was a sack.
4: Touchdown drive. Hill passed for 4 first downs/touchdowns on 3rd down.
5: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run
6: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run.




So, on 3rd down passes in the second half, Hill converted 4 of 6 of them, with one of the only 2 non-conversions being a sack.


And you're claiming this is evidence he is bad on 3rd down?
Originally posted by T83RR:
Originally posted by BigMar:


Uhmmmm.,,, in the second half of Cards game, I believe the 9ers had 6 offensive drive possessions. They went "3 and out" on 5 of 6 drives except for that one T/D drive.

Now what were you saying about how" great" Hill is on 3rd downs?

First off, one half of football is nowhere NEAR enough to make a judgment about a player as a whole.

Second, here are the 6 drives:

1: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run, no first down.
2: 3 and out - 3rd down was an incompletion.
3: 3 and out - 3rd down was a sack.
4: Touchdown drive. Hill passed for 4 first downs/touchdowns on 3rd down.
5: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run
6: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run.




So, on 3rd down passes in the second half, Hill converted 4 of 6 of them, with one of the only 2 non-conversions being a sack.


And you're claiming this is evidence he is bad on 3rd down?

pwned
Originally posted by djfullshred:
Originally posted by T83RR:
Originally posted by BigMar:


Uhmmmm.,,, in the second half of Cards game, I believe the 9ers had 6 offensive drive possessions. They went "3 and out" on 5 of 6 drives except for that one T/D drive.

Now what were you saying about how" great" Hill is on 3rd downs?

First off, one half of football is nowhere NEAR enough to make a judgment about a player as a whole.

Second, here are the 6 drives:

1: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run, no first down.
2: 3 and out - 3rd down was an incompletion.
3: 3 and out - 3rd down was a sack.
4: Touchdown drive. Hill passed for 4 first downs/touchdowns on 3rd down.
5: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run
6: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run.




So, on 3rd down passes in the second half, Hill converted 4 of 6 of them, with one of the only 2 non-conversions being a sack.


And you're claiming this is evidence he is bad on 3rd down?

pwned

LOL
Originally posted by T83RR:
Originally posted by BigMar:


Uhmmmm.,,, in the second half of Cards game, I believe the 9ers had 6 offensive drive possessions. They went "3 and out" on 5 of 6 drives except for that one T/D drive.

Now what were you saying about how" great" Hill is on 3rd downs?

First off, one half of football is nowhere NEAR enough to make a judgment about a player as a whole.

Second, here are the 6 drives:

1: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run, no first down.
2: 3 and out - 3rd down was an incompletion.
3: 3 and out - 3rd down was a sack.
4: Touchdown drive. Hill passed for 4 first downs/touchdowns on 3rd down.
5: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run
6: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run.




So, on 3rd down passes in the second half, Hill converted 4 of 6 of them, with one of the only 2 non-conversions being a sack.


And you're claiming this is evidence he is bad on 3rd down?

Did they have the faith in Hill to call a pass play on 3rd down...hummm

And by the why.... you certainly can't be claiming it is evidence he is GREAT on 3rd down.
[ Edited by BigMar on Sep 16, 2009 at 1:36 PM ]
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by djfullshred:
Originally posted by T83RR:
Originally posted by BigMar:


Uhmmmm.,,, in the second half of Cards game, I believe the 9ers had 6 offensive drive possessions. They went "3 and out" on 5 of 6 drives except for that one T/D drive.

Now what were you saying about how" great" Hill is on 3rd downs?

First off, one half of football is nowhere NEAR enough to make a judgment about a player as a whole.

Second, here are the 6 drives:

1: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run, no first down.
2: 3 and out - 3rd down was an incompletion.
3: 3 and out - 3rd down was a sack.
4: Touchdown drive. Hill passed for 4 first downs/touchdowns on 3rd down.
5: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run
6: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run.




So, on 3rd down passes in the second half, Hill converted 4 of 6 of them, with one of the only 2 non-conversions being a sack.


And you're claiming this is evidence he is bad on 3rd down?

pwned

LOL

Someone missed oldniners play by play breakdown.
Originally posted by Method:
Originally posted by T83RR:
I think that Hill's 4th-quarter numbers are so good because it's often meaningless garbage time prevent junk. He is definitely better in the 4th quarter than the 3rd, but not to the degree shown by the stats.

agreed

you two are funny....just give it up already, geez.

if it is prevent junk, that would mean we were getting blown out or what ever in the 4th qtrs....or just it wasn't a close game....

since Shaun has been the QB, most if not all of our games have been close in the 4th qtr....

his 3 loses...

Cowboys (I'll give yall this game...even though Dallas was still blitzing us in the 4th qtr)

Miami (close game with us losing because of pass protection when we were in the red zone to win it)

Arizona (close game when we were about to score but there was misscommunication with Martz)
Originally posted by djfullshred:
Originally posted by T83RR:
Originally posted by BigMar:


Uhmmmm.,,, in the second half of Cards game, I believe the 9ers had 6 offensive drive possessions. They went "3 and out" on 5 of 6 drives except for that one T/D drive.

Now what were you saying about how" great" Hill is on 3rd downs?

First off, one half of football is nowhere NEAR enough to make a judgment about a player as a whole.

Second, here are the 6 drives:

1: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run, no first down.
2: 3 and out - 3rd down was an incompletion.
3: 3 and out - 3rd down was a sack.
4: Touchdown drive. Hill passed for 4 first downs/touchdowns on 3rd down.
5: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run
6: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run.




So, on 3rd down passes in the second half, Hill converted 4 of 6 of them, with one of the only 2 non-conversions being a sack.


And you're claiming this is evidence he is bad on 3rd down?

pwned

Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by djfullshred:
Originally posted by T83RR:
Originally posted by BigMar:


Uhmmmm.,,, in the second half of Cards game, I believe the 9ers had 6 offensive drive possessions. They went "3 and out" on 5 of 6 drives except for that one T/D drive.

Now what were you saying about how" great" Hill is on 3rd downs?

First off, one half of football is nowhere NEAR enough to make a judgment about a player as a whole.

Second, here are the 6 drives:

1: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run, no first down.
2: 3 and out - 3rd down was an incompletion.
3: 3 and out - 3rd down was a sack.
4: Touchdown drive. Hill passed for 4 first downs/touchdowns on 3rd down.
5: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run
6: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run.




So, on 3rd down passes in the second half, Hill converted 4 of 6 of them, with one of the only 2 non-conversions being a sack.


And you're claiming this is evidence he is bad on 3rd down?

pwned


Oh my.... is valrod33 proving time & time again, he is simply obsessed with me
Originally posted by BigMar:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by djfullshred:
Originally posted by T83RR:
Originally posted by BigMar:


Uhmmmm.,,, in the second half of Cards game, I believe the 9ers had 6 offensive drive possessions. They went "3 and out" on 5 of 6 drives except for that one T/D drive.

Now what were you saying about how" great" Hill is on 3rd downs?

First off, one half of football is nowhere NEAR enough to make a judgment about a player as a whole.

Second, here are the 6 drives:

1: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run, no first down.
2: 3 and out - 3rd down was an incompletion.
3: 3 and out - 3rd down was a sack.
4: Touchdown drive. Hill passed for 4 first downs/touchdowns on 3rd down.
5: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run
6: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run.




So, on 3rd down passes in the second half, Hill converted 4 of 6 of them, with one of the only 2 non-conversions being a sack.


And you're claiming this is evidence he is bad on 3rd down?

pwned


Oh my.... is valrod33 proving time & time again, he is simply obsessed with me

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Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by BigMar:
Oh my.... is valrod33 proving time & time again, he is simply obsessed with me

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Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by BigMar:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by djfullshred:
Originally posted by T83RR:
Originally posted by BigMar:


Uhmmmm.,,, in the second half of Cards game, I believe the 9ers had 6 offensive drive possessions. They went "3 and out" on 5 of 6 drives except for that one T/D drive.

Now what were you saying about how" great" Hill is on 3rd downs?

First off, one half of football is nowhere NEAR enough to make a judgment about a player as a whole.

Second, here are the 6 drives:

1: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run, no first down.
2: 3 and out - 3rd down was an incompletion.
3: 3 and out - 3rd down was a sack.
4: Touchdown drive. Hill passed for 4 first downs/touchdowns on 3rd down.
5: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run
6: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run.




So, on 3rd down passes in the second half, Hill converted 4 of 6 of them, with one of the only 2 non-conversions being a sack.


And you're claiming this is evidence he is bad on 3rd down?

pwned


Oh my.... is valrod33 proving time & time again, he is simply obsessed with me

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From the Mercury News..
Put Shaun Hill under the fire and things tend to come out well done.

He led a fourth-quarter comeback against Cardinals in the season
opener. In his final two games last season, he led fourth-quarter
comeback against the Rams (touchdown pass to Josh Morgan with 1:31
left) and another against the Redskins (moving team 52-yards through
the air in final 1:09 to set up winning FG).

Since the start of 2008, Hill ranks among the league's best in the
fourth quarter. (Thanks to Mike Chasanoff of the team's media
relations staff for passing along this chart)

Fourth-quarter QB Rating

Leaders since the start of last season .

1. Tony Romo, Dallas. 121.7
2. Philip Rivers, S.D. 114.6
3. Trent Edwards, Buff. 107.8
4. Shaun Hill, 49ers 102.1
5. Drew Brees, N.O. 97.9
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And also,he had a 137 QB rating on 3rd downs last Sunday !!! And of course we all know that he was the winningest QB in the entire NFC last year(in the time he started).
Hill will be just fine until Nate "the great" Davis is ready !
Originally posted by BigMar:
Originally posted by T83RR:
Originally posted by BigMar:


Uhmmmm.,,, in the second half of Cards game, I believe the 9ers had 6 offensive drive possessions. They went "3 and out" on 5 of 6 drives except for that one T/D drive.

Now what were you saying about how" great" Hill is on 3rd downs?

First off, one half of football is nowhere NEAR enough to make a judgment about a player as a whole.

Second, here are the 6 drives:

1: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run, no first down.
2: 3 and out - 3rd down was an incompletion.
3: 3 and out - 3rd down was a sack.
4: Touchdown drive. Hill passed for 4 first downs/touchdowns on 3rd down.
5: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run
6: 3 and out - 3rd down was a run.




So, on 3rd down passes in the second half, Hill converted 4 of 6 of them, with one of the only 2 non-conversions being a sack.


And you're claiming this is evidence he is bad on 3rd down?

Did they have the faith in Hill to call a pass play on 3rd down...hummm

And by the why.... you certainly can't be claiming it is evidence he is GREAT on 3rd down.

Since they did have him pass on third down a number of times, isn't it self evident that they have faith in him to do it? You do realize there is this guy named Frank Gore that the team also has faith in on 3rd & short?

And I think most of us here are in agreement Hill is not GREAT at 3rd downs. He is pretty good though thus far as a starter when given a few seconds to throw the ball. That is why we are defending him against the annoying fans that come on this forum saying he totally sucks.
Originally posted by djfullshred:
And I think most of us here are in agreement Hill is not GREAT at 3rd downs. He is pretty good though thus far as a starter when given a few seconds to throw the ball. That is why we are defending him against the annoying fans that come on this forum saying he totally sucks.

Yeah cause it's not annoying when certain fans do the same to Alex Smith. Not annoying at all.