Offensive post-game analysis (Week 1)

Originally posted by dmax:
Look jimmy raye had some bad play calling yes...But everything starts up front..How can gore get going if carlos dansby is camping in the backfield the entire game. We need to shore up that oline right now[/indent]

They satcked up the box because they knew we were going to run.

And they blitzed when they knew we were going to pass.

Really, it was just me or wasn't everyone here able to GUESS exactly when we were going to run and when we were going to pass?

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
FACT: Shaun Hill did not throw a single interception in this game, nor did he make a crappy throw that came even close to an INT, things looked horrible, but as usual they came together, and Shaun is the only starting QB in the NFC West this week that hasn't thrown an interception.

actually he did make some crappy throws that should of been untercepted the pass down the seam to Bruce(?) comes to mind.

Originally posted by diehard68:

Originally posted by trellblaze1:

Originally posted by Brazilian49er:

Originally posted by trellblaze1:

Originally posted by kstolai:

Originally posted by Brazilian49er:
Raye is a joke. He is not an OC. He is a joke.






Pure and simple.

I think it's funny that people believe that any OC would have success with no blocking. Especially one who's plays are completely dependent on timing.

Ray may not indeed be a good OC, but that's not what was evident today. Anytime the opposing DLine is paying rent in your backfield your offense is going to look bad...

Did you notice how the pass protection improved on our TD drive? That's because we spread the field! The playcalling was responsible for a great part of the o-line struggle.

I think the Cards D had lost a little steam nearing the end of that drive.

Don't get me wrong...i don't care for the playcalling either but it's not the biggest of my worries.

Baas might as well have been grass today. Rachal wasn't far behind except for a few good plays...

I'm not concerned with the play calling on the big drive when they scored... they drove, kept their defense on the field, kept making first downs and scored. That's the kind of drive we gotta see. I'm more concerned about the playcalling on the last two possessions when it was absoultely critical to keep possession and maintain a drive.

THREE RUNS UP THE MIDDLE??!! FROM THE 3??!! How uninspired is that? I hate it when you work so hard to get a lead and then become ridiculously conservative when yo try to keep it. And then with 3 mins left we needed to keep the ball in our possession... one first down is all we needed. and what, THREE RUNS UP THE MIDDLE AGAIN!!?? We damn near gave them a chance to take the game away from us.

We need to learn to get aggressive when we have a lead and go for the juggular. Don't give teams a chance to get back into it.

I see where you're coming from concerning the last drive but I my head keeps going back to the talent level. How creative can you get with these guys? With the exception of a couple of proven vets and a few youngsters with potential, these guys are NOT THAT GOOD. Three runs up the middle seems bad...until you get a sack inside your own 20 trying to pass....or throw an interception. Based on the 1st three quarters, these things were very likely to happen.

I dont know what everyone is so up in arms about. We actually looked like an NFL offense for 1 series this game.

Originally posted by joey82:
I don't know why I am bothering....


Look we haven't had a top 15 offense in half a decade. We weren't a top offense last year nor have we done anything this off season to reasonably believe that we would be a top offense again.

This is what we are going to do. Run the ball, not turn the ball over, avoid giving up the big play and win the game with our defense and special teams. If you don't like that I suggest following another team this season.

This isn't an offense that is going to score 35 points, and you are foolish if you expect that. If our offense doesn't turn the ball over and gives us 17-24 points a game we are going to be in good shape to win a lot of games this year.

We beat a team that went to the superbowl last year in their own house.

So relax and enjoy the win fellas. Stop being unreasonable expecting us to light up the scoreboard every week like the saints because it isn't happening.

People need to read this post and then read it three more times.

So just wondering can we now squash all the "Hill hasn't beaten anyone yet" talk??

It's the first game of the season with all the starters playing together the whole game. You guys need to chill and let the team mesh and come together as a group. At least we're not getting blown out anymore.

I assume it would be safe to say that our o-linemen got owned during the nutcracker drill during camp. Those 5 sloths should have to run the hill all day Tuesday. While I am at my fantasy Jimmy Raye should run the hill with them but everytime hecomes back down he should get decleated by Willis so he will remember what he put Gore through. A guy can dream can't he.

Originally posted by btak49:
Baas may not be the answer at LG. He was getting his butt whooped!

It may be that he's alittle rusty?

any way u look at it its not rayes fault, the line did play garbage. but also hills arm was not threatning at all so they just went out and tried to shut down gore. and they did. hill will hurt us later in the season due to his arm period.

Originally posted by solidg2000:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
FACT: Shaun Hill did not throw a single interception in this game, nor did he make a crappy throw that came even close to an INT, things looked horrible, but as usual they came together, and Shaun is the only starting QB in the NFC West this week that hasn't thrown an interception.

did you watch the game???
there was 3 passes that hit the defenders hands and they dropped it
...

Yeah, Shaun wasn't exactly "great" today but he did enough and got lucky with Arizona droppin a couple of should be picks...regardless, he missed quite a few open targets and made some not so wise throws but at the end of the day, he did what we needed him to do, win the damn game.

Originally posted by jones49:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by maximill15:

Originally posted by Brazilian49er:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Brazilian49er:

Originally posted by trellblaze1:

Originally posted by kstolai:

Originally posted by Brazilian49er:
Raye is a joke. He is not an OC. He is a joke.






Pure and simple.

I think it's funny that people believe that any OC would have success with no blocking. Especially one who's plays are completely dependent on timing.

Ray may not indeed be a good OC, but that's not what was evident today. Anytime the opposing DLine is paying rent in your backfield your offense is going to look bad...

Did you notice how the pass protection improved on our TD drive? That's because we spread the field! The playcalling was responsible for a great part of the o-line struggle.

The oline was responsible for the bad oline play. Raye only calls the plays, he cannot get out there and execute it for them.

There a lot more involved than just execution. When you line up in the I, the guys are gonna stack the box and it will be harder to block.

yeah it is all raye fault if he fails to make adjustments! If the D is getting constant pressure( which they did), then your start calling plays to get hill on the move or get frank running outside, which Raye failed to do! Yeha we won, yeha I'm happy, but this wont fly!!!

Its painfully obvious....Raye might know football, but he doesn't know play calling. Take that to the bank.

Yep. Sometimes you have to know when to fold em'. Our running game wasn't working and the dedication to the running game almost cost us. Raye and Sing need to learn that.

I don't think they were overdedicated to the run. They were just attempting to establish the run and get some kind of rythm. The only time I thought that we were overly dedicated to the run was at the end of the game when we were pushed back on our 2 yard-line and we ran the three run plays up the middle. But other than that I think you are all overreacting about the playcalling.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
I'm So F'n Happy we pulled this out....but we were playing not to lose the whole game....until we needed to play to win...and that is a tough position to put your QB in after asking him to hand off over and over and over...and occasional pass.. All I know is that if Raye calls more than one run run run, 3 and out plays... Candlestick will boo him out the stadium next week......we cannot be this predictable.... we were like this early in Alex's carrier...it doesn't help anyone.

cosigned. we have a lot of stuff to work on, but theyre a good team and this was a big win. our right side of the ol was awful, i saw like 5 or 6 plays where snyder wasnt blocking anyone. rachal wasnt much better. bruce and vernon were clutch, and morgan was open a lot but shaun wasnt reading the d and seeing him a few times. i was ready to give up on shaun a few times there but he pulled it out when he got a chance to get in a rythm.

Originally posted by Thorhawk:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
FACT: Shaun Hill did not throw a single interception in this game, nor did he make a crappy throw that came even close to an INT, things looked horrible, but as usual they came together, and Shaun is the only starting QB in the NFC West this week that hasn't thrown an interception.

actually he did make some crappy throws that should of been untercepted the pass down the seam to Bruce(?) comes to mind.

LOL i was going to say...we nearly got picked twice.


Bottom line though: we won. Hill came through when it mattered and our defense was solid.


Sounds kind of familiar huh?

[ Edited by LambdaChi49 on Sep 13, 2009 at 17:41:43 ]

Originally posted by P-52ENFORCER:

Originally posted by Nuns:

Lol Hill sucks the whole game, comes thru on one series and now he's a word beater?

Hill did not suck the whole game. He is a winner, and improved his record as a starting qb. He threw a nice long ball and did it all with almost no running game.

He just beat the reigning NFC champions in their own backyard.


..........and so-called niniers fans are still hating on him. Go figure!

Hill didn't beat anyone. Our defense won the game. We went 3 and out four times in a row. Hill missed tons of passes. Even on his "great" drive at least 2 of his conversions where on 3rd down. So he can complete a short pass, big f**kin deal! Any quality (not elite) qb can do that. Hill is nothing special and either is Alex. There is no reason to believe Davis couldn't of done exactly what Hill did. To be a quality QB you gotta be good 4 quarters, enough with this 1 good quarter bulls**t.

All you Hill supporters, do you really think we can win a championship with him.....lol....surely you jest