Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by nj49erfan:
With all do respect to a vet on this board this may be one of the worst posts I have ever read. Just so we are clear here you are mad because:
1. (Forget the fact that this is illegal by NFL rules for a moment) The 49ers were unable to contact all 15 or so people who may have still been available at the number 10 spot in which they would have picked if they were still there and ask the player if they would be willing to sign if we drafted them?
2. You would want us to pass up on a talent like Crabtree or someone of the caliber because they said they wouldn't sign with us?
First, the Texans had the first pick and are allowed to negotiate with any player they want. Until the team with the first pick selects someone the next team drafting is not allowed to discuss any contract details with any draftee. This year was the first year the NFL allowed the team with the second pick to negotiate a contract with a darftee if the team with the first pick overall has already come to terms with the number one pick.
Second, the Texans did not ask who would sign. They asked how much guaranteed money it would take to sign each player. But again this is a luxuary only granted to the first team as if everyone could do it you could imagine a team like the redskins would tell Matt Stafford or Sanchez to hold out because they would offer a lot more money. Thus ruining the draft system all together.
Third, what draftee is going to tell any organization before the draft they will not sign?
Lastly, even if you could do this you take the best talent and assume they will realize 16 million guaranteed is better then no million guaranteed. To pass up on talent because you think they may not sign is stupid and negligent.
Now please proceed with calling me a newb lol.
You get an opportunity to buy a Porche at a discount, but you can't drive it in the lower 48 and if you sell it, you have to sell it for less than what you paid.
You're nuts if you don't think teams don't have inklings if a player is going to be difficult to sign or not - AND - if that doesn't go into factoring of picks. Sorry, but those that praised this comment don't know what they're talking about.
It's not just about money - and how much it would take. It's who their agent is. It's if they come off as a hard-worker, how much they love the game, do they seem like a me-first kind of guy, who are they surrounded by and giving them advice. You KNOW who that is before you talk about numbers.
THAT"S due diligence.
Where's Harry Edwards - what did he think?
Ok a cople of things here because this argument is just becoming crazy. Sorry but this is going to be lengthy.
1. Lets tackle the argument that you have to know the agent. Yes Eugene parker is known for having hold outs. What Eugene Parker is also known for is settling the holdout before the last preseason game (I think one went pass that but was settled before the season started). So the niners, now that they have done there due dilligence on Eugene Parker, should pass up on 5 or 6 years of Crabtree potential because they do not want him to hold out for 3 to 4 pre-season games? It is amazing how now that he is holding out everyone on this board knew he was going to hold out. So yes if you know in advance you can't drive your Porche and you buy it you are a retard. But this brings me to point 2.
2. Now that we see that NO agent, including the now famous Eugene Parker, has a history of holding a client out all year how would anyone, including the 49ers, know this would happen with Crabtree? So here is what I have heard so far:
1. The 49ers should have asked Crabtree's agent as part of thier due diligence before the draft what it would take to sign him.
Answer: This is illegal according to the CBA. In fact if the niners tell him they would be willing to offer 20 million guarenteed before the draft and the team that drafts him finds out that is tampering and we would lose another draft pick.
2. Diva like behavior.
Answer: It's the oly thing Eric Managini has ever said that people listened to. First of all, most WR's are diva's are charachters. So if you are not going to draft a WR based on this you are probably never going to draft one. Second Vernon Davis was a Diva we drafted him adn he signed. Again, there is no track record of diva like players holding out for a year so how would the 49ers see this comming?
3. Teams have inklings that someone will be hard to sign.
Answer: Really? Being the GM of the niners you must know for sure that all 32 teams knew he would be tough to sign. Also how did teams know he would hold out considering according to him he is only holding out for DHB money because he thinks he is better? So other GM's are soooooo smart they actually knew not to pick him because DHB was going to get a huge contract at 7 from the raiders and Crabtree would want more. Oh wait that can't be right because if he was drafted higher then 7 due to slotting he would get more money then DHB.
As you can see none of these arguments hold water. The simplest answer to a problem is almost always the correct one. An orginizations picks who they feel is the best talent during the draft. 99.9% of the time the player and his agent cave because they know the slotting system is what it is and its time to show up to work and start playing for your next contract. The 49ers did textbook drafting this year and the only thing that sucks is they ran into the .1% idiot who thinks some how some way if he keeps holding out he will get more money. But as I explained above you would have to be Miss Cleo to have seen this coming.
So your anaology of the car seems to be a over simplification of the facts to a large degree. But thank you for sparking this conversation. Living in NJ its not often I get to talk in depth on 49er football.