Crabtree Discussion Thread

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
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Here's my take on why I just think he doesn't want to play.

1) I think it's pretty evident that the uncapped year is no gold mine.
2) He's taking a serious serious risk by "practicing with dilfer" without any sort of contract. Say he reinjures his foot or gets in an accident off the field cause that's never happened before.
3) If he's willing to ignore the draft slotting system, why not sign, get your money, and then ignore the terms of your contract and hold out mid contract a la B Marshall.

I mean at least then you have some money and if you're that good you should have no probem demanding more cash. Hell you don't even need to have great numbers you just need to show great potential.

It just doesn't make good sense to me to think it's a money issue.

Originally posted by dirtysouthniner:
Maybe the 49ers want him, but not just that bad. Prospect normally come to interviews and try to put their best foot forward. But what if he came in after being drafted with his entourage and the niners got a bad vibe from him or the group. There was previous warning about his posse from other teams or coaches. There has also been little rumblings from reporters who weren't that impress with him. Then came OTA's where he was described as uninterested. Now when it came time to get the contract done, they hear that he wants to be paid an additional 8 million. All of this could be the reason the niners are in no hurry to get a deal done.

So their putting 20mill on the table but don't really want him on the field?

seems like sound reasoning to me.

Originally posted by pdxredandgold:

Originally posted by dirtysouthniner:
Maybe the 49ers want him, but not just that bad. Prospect normally come to interviews and try to put their best foot forward. But what if he came in after being drafted with his entourage and the niners got a bad vibe from him or the group. There was previous warning about his posse from other teams or coaches. There has also been little rumblings from reporters who weren't that impress with him. Then came OTA's where he was described as uninterested. Now when it came time to get the contract done, they hear that he wants to be paid an additional 8 million. All of this could be the reason the niners are in no hurry to get a deal done.

So their putting 20mill on the table but don't really want him on the field?

seems like sound reasoning to me.

I trying to answer the question " Why haven't the Niners offered him anymore money". We can use the slotting excused. But the truth is giving him a higher signing bonus really doesn't affect next years draft. With the chance of a lockout in 2011 no rookies will have any leverage with the "I'm going to sit out the season
"threat. They could give him easy incentives or a roster bonus if they wanted to get him into camp. This would have been away to save face for both sides. I think they know he's talented but are not going to mortgage the future on someone with questionable character or company.

[ Edited by dirtysouthniner on Sep 10, 2009 at 13:24:45 ]

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Originally posted by pdxredandgold:

Originally posted by dirtysouthniner:
Maybe the 49ers want him, but not just that bad. Prospect normally come to interviews and try to put their best foot forward. But what if he came in after being drafted with his entourage and the niners got a bad vibe from him or the group. There was previous warning about his posse from other teams or coaches. There has also been little rumblings from reporters who weren't that impress with him. Then came OTA's where he was described as uninterested. Now when it came time to get the contract done, they hear that he wants to be paid an additional 8 million. All of this could be the reason the niners are in no hurry to get a deal done.

So their putting 20mill on the table but don't really want him on the field? seems like sound reasoning to me.

yea im starting to think they want him on the field but they just dont know how to get it done. scotty is a young gm without anyone like a parcells to turn to or a guy like holmgren to get advice from. paraag is a numbers genius by most accounts but he isnt a football guy and probably thinks his offer is perfectly accepable. at this point i just want to see a deal get done and we probably need to meet them halfway.

Originally posted by KNRO1670:
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http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post?id=4736

This whole situation is bad for both sides. However I support the Niners on this one, I dont want Crabdouche on the niners anymore. I really hope he never plays for them.

Originally posted by KNRO1670:
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Agreed on all points.

I still think it remains to be seen how often we're gonna run though.

-9fA

Im also starting to think that the 49ers dont REALLY want him anymore. They are starting to realize that drafting him was a mistake.

Originally posted by susweel:
Im also starting to think that the 49ers dont REALLY want him anymore. They are starting to realize that drafting him was a mistake.

agreed. They're not gonna let some unproven rookie punk them. I think it's to the point where neither will put their pride aside to make a deal. You know the niners aren't gonna budge, as they shouldn't, and I seriously doubt Crabs ego will make a sudden U-turn.

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:

Originally posted by susweel:
Im also starting to think that the 49ers dont REALLY want him anymore. They are starting to realize that drafting him was a mistake.

agreed. They're not gonna let some unproven rookie punk them. I think it's to the point where neither will put their pride aside to make a deal. You know the niners aren't gonna budge, as they shouldn't, and I seriously doubt Crabs ego will make a sudden U-turn.

I think in the end he will make a come around. Even Deon has to know that it is not worth the risk of trying to hold out all season. If crabtree is picked later in the draft he will not be able to hold out again.

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:

Originally posted by susweel:
Im also starting to think that the 49ers dont REALLY want him anymore. They are starting to realize that drafting him was a mistake.

agreed. They're not gonna let some unproven rookie punk them. I think it's to the point where neither will put their pride aside to make a deal. You know the niners aren't gonna budge, as they shouldn't, and I seriously doubt Crabs ego will make a sudden U-turn.

I think the only real solution is him sitting out the year and getting traded to a team that wants and will pay him what he wants. I don't think we will ever see him in a niner uniform.

lets say he just signs at what the niners wanna pay him because its the money smart thing to do. Do you really think he's gonna give us 100% on the field or will he ALWAYS have a chip on his shoulder because of this little ongoing situation?

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
lets say he just signs at what the niners wanna pay him because its the money smart thing to do. Do you really think he's gonna give us 100% on the field or will he ALWAYS have a chip on his shoulder because of this little ongoing situation?

I think the dude is gonna be a problem. He just seems like he is only in it for the money. Once he gets paid some big guaranteed dollars he may just lose all desire to even play.

Originally posted by jame-gumb:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I think the argument of "the Niners' management will look weak and fragile, and will be taken advantage in future draft" is one of the weaker arguments on the side of management. History does not show this to be true.

The best argument is that Crabtree has no leverage.

If SF refuses to give in and trades him or loses his rights, though, they will show that they will 100 percent not pay anyone over slot. This WILL discourage future draft picks from holding out. I don't think anyone thinks that rookies will start walking all over SF's management if they cave and sign Crabtree.

That is another poor argument. Crabtree does have leverage, as the Niners cannot force him to put on a uniform. The time I see Shaun Hill walking behind Crabtree with a gun pointed to his head is the time when the statement you made is accurate.

The lesson learned will not be the Niners are tough guys, and won't crack. It is that they lost their first rounder in a contract dispute.

You are choosing to only see things through one side of the lens. Try looking from another angle.