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Offensive Analysis thread (Preseason Week 1)

Originally posted by trellblaze1:
Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
Originally posted by captnkos:
I thought all of Frank Gore's potential backups looked pretty sorry. None of them looked better than DeShaun Foster or Michael Robinson to me.

Pass protection did not look great against vanilla defense. Wallace looked like he got steamrolled.

Lawson did not show anything new. He looked like the same guy we've seen, for good or for bad.

If there is still any question about who our starting QB is, I would be shocked. Hill looked solid.

Dre Bly is a starter . . .

VD had a couple of great grabs . . . love it when the ball is in his hands in space.

McKillop looked ok, but got burned over the middle by a T.E.

Overall I thought the team looked pretty similar to last year. I hope with improved play calling/coaching/game management the close games fall our way rather than the way they went last year.


I agree about, Coffee, he did not blow me away but he did look solid and I think Kory Sheets can give us a spark in the running game.

I thought our defense was very vanilla but Nolan brought a lot of pressure with the Broncos D and some of their defensive starters were still in the game late in the 3rd quarter.

Our first string O-Line did a very nice job in pass protection, our 2nd unit, not so much. Marvel Smith played well but Joe Toledo and Cody Wallace got abused and Barry Sims, well he's Barry Sims.


I didn't think Smith was cleared to practice yet...let alone play. Seriously I don't recall seeing him on the field at all...

He was out there.
Originally posted by trellblaze1:
Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
Originally posted by captnkos:
I thought all of Frank Gore's potential backups looked pretty sorry. None of them looked better than DeShaun Foster or Michael Robinson to me.

Pass protection did not look great against vanilla defense. Wallace looked like he got steamrolled.

Lawson did not show anything new. He looked like the same guy we've seen, for good or for bad.

If there is still any question about who our starting QB is, I would be shocked. Hill looked solid.

Dre Bly is a starter . . .

VD had a couple of great grabs . . . love it when the ball is in his hands in space.

McKillop looked ok, but got burned over the middle by a T.E.

Overall I thought the team looked pretty similar to last year. I hope with improved play calling/coaching/game management the close games fall our way rather than the way they went last year.


I agree about, Coffee, he did not blow me away but he did look solid and I think Kory Sheets can give us a spark in the running game.

I thought our defense was very vanilla but Nolan brought a lot of pressure with the Broncos D and some of their defensive starters were still in the game late in the 3rd quarter.

Our first string O-Line did a very nice job in pass protection, our 2nd unit, not so much. Marvel Smith played well but Joe Toledo and Cody Wallace got abused and Barry Sims, well he's Barry Sims.


I didn't think Smith was cleared to practice yet...let alone play. Seriously I don't recall seeing him on the field at all...


He has been practicing and played Friday night.
My long, intensive and top notch analysis of Preseason Game #1 can be summed up with one word.

Meh

We won -- which is always a good sign.
I thought Hill was worse about holding onto the ball.
There was some good and there was some bad. For the first preseason game, it wasn't so bad, but they've got to find a pass rush.
I thought both quarterbacks looked very average. They both held the ball too long at times, giving up sacks and taking hits. That was my biggest concern with both of them. Smith's accuracy looked pretty bad at times. I think the quarterback play went slightly in Hill's favor.

I wasn't impressed by the defense. The running backs and receivers didn't impress. It was nice to see Vernon make a couple of plays and NOT drop the ball.

Overall, the team looked okay. There's a lot of work to do before regular season begins though.

I was pleased with McKillop's play at linebacker. Nice to know we have another young guy in the middle who has potential to take over if we have an injury at the position.

I am also pleased to know Snyder is doing well at RT. We've needed a sound player at this spot for years.
[ Edited by mississippi_sam on Aug 16, 2009 at 3:52 PM ]
true about snyder playing well.
can you just imagine if he is able to keep it up?
do u know how much more freedom that gives us with our 2 1st rounders next year?
how long do we have m.smith signed for anyway? 1 year?
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Marvel Smith looked like a bowling pin to me.
Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
QB's:

Shuan Hill: Looked good in limited PT, made two nice throws to Vernon Davis and picked up some yaradge with his feet. He is a gamer.

Alex Smith: Still holds on to the ball to long and struggles when there is a defender in his face but he played okay, made two nice throws and showed he has regained his arm strength and if anything his arm looks stronger than ever. By the 3rd pre-season game though he has to start making plays when he is being chased and under pressure.

Damon Huard: Just a solid, solid vetran QB who we are lucky to have as our 3rd string QB IMO as he can be a backup on some teams.

Nate Davis: Handed the ball off, clearly the coaches do not feel he is ready to throw the football in the games. Whats up with the big long sleeves?


Running Backs/Fullbacks:

Glenn Coffee: Got a lot of carries and picked up some decent yardage but to be honest with you I was not to impressed. He just doesen't look very explposive, runs a little upright and doesen't have a lot of power to his runs. Now I think he can be a solid backup but I don't know, at least from this first game he doesen't look like he has #1 RB ability but it's early yet.

Thomas Clayton: Countinued to be a solid pre-season player before going down with what looked like a major knee injury. I really feel bad for him.

Kory Sheets: Now this kid showed me something, he is small and won't break many tackles but he is quick, sudden and explosive with his runs. I think this kid has a future, reminds me a little of Ahmad Bradshaw from the Giants.

Zack Keasey: He stinks

Brit Miller: He will at least make the PS and has an outside chance to make the team.

Note- We really need Moran Norris to get his act together and get in there at FB

Wide Receivers:

Josh Morgan: Looked pretty good

Arnaz Battle: Were in trouble if Battle is our 2nd, 3rd or even 4th WR this year, I really was hoping he would not make the team but with all the stuff and injuries that have been happening he just may make the team. He gets no seperation what so ever.

Michael Spurlock: Made two nice plays, he has a spark to him and I think he is a keeper.

Jason Hill: He is alive!

Dominique Ziegler: Is he alive?

Note: This WR core ain't going to cut it, I know we got Bruce who will play but these guys just couldn't get open, how many times did Shuan and Alex have great protection and no one could get open. Im sorry but we are going to need Michael Crabtree to make plays and his presence and hopefully Brandon Jones will be back and healthy by week 3 or 4.

Tight Ends:

Vernon Davis: We kept reading how great Vernon Davis has looked in TC and how much better and more natural he looks catching the football well he certainly showed it on TV last night. I really look for VD to have his breakout year this season and become a pro bowl tight end.

Bear Pascoe: Dropped a ball and made a nice catch on the 2pt conversion. He has a ways to go.


O-Line: The first unit played pretty well, the pass protection was good and the run blocking was okay. The 2nd Unit wasn't very good, Joe Toledo was a disaster.

Summary: Again I hate to sound like a broken record but we drafted Michael Crabtree because we are going to need that extra field goal or touchdown to be a 9-7 or 10-6 team and with this offense I think we will always be that field goal or touchdown short. I think we have a solid offense but we really need a guy like Crabtree (and Brandon Jones) in there. I know Gore, Walker and Baas didn't play but I just don't think these WR's are going to cut it. I like Morgan but im not totally sold on him as a #1, Bruce is solid but we need a better guy in there at #3 and maybe even #2 to move Bruce in the slot. At this point I like what I see from Spurlock but Jason Hill and Ziegeler im not sure and I do not want Battle making the team


Defense:

Manusky kept it pretty vanilla and did bring much pressure but we did get 3 turnovers. Just some quick thoughts on a few guys;

Ahmad Brooks: Had two nice hurries and was all around the field.

Curtis Taylor: This kid runs like a deer, man does he close in a hurry. He looks like Sean Taylor out there with his size, long arms and speed. Im not saying he is as good as Sean Taylor but this kid has some potential if his instincts and awarness can ever improve.

Reggie Smith: Really had a nice game, a kid I am high on and rooting for and I hope he keeps this up.

Marques Harris: Had a nice game.

Kentwan Balmer: Got some push and looked pretty active.

Scott McKillop: All around the football, a tackling machine. Poor man's Zach Thomas in the making,

Our 2nd-3rd string CB's: I've been saying for weeks that im worried that the WR's are making plays in practice because our depth at cornerback is so bad. These kid Jahi-Daniels, Lambert and Carlos Thomas were not drafted and were not even priority FA's and man did they look awful last night. Daniels needs to be cut ASAP

Marcus Hudson: My boy, had a solid game as usual at cornerback, and special teams. Still think his best pos is safety...

Manny Lawson: Didn't show much pass rush but was going up against a stud LT in Ryan Clady.


Overall I think it was a good showing the most important thing was no ..... I don't want to say it. This team is headed in the right direction and it's nice to see guys like Reggie Smith, Ahmad Brooks and Adam Snyder stepping up. Vernon Davis looks like a monster and I feel good about our QB's, Shuan Hill looks like he did late last season and I can already see some imporvement in Alex Smith and I think he will only get better. We have to get Crabtree signed though, im hoping he signs early next week and he will make his debut in his hometown AT Dallas in the 3rd pre-season game.

We mostly agree.

Hill looked good except on that 2nd sack when he held onto the ball way too long. Similarly, Smith also held the ball too long on his 1st sack, the difference being Smith had an outlet guy right in front of him to get the ball to and simply didn't see him, or, whatever.... He also took too long on other decisions, like the Smith of old.

The other Smith, Reggie, had a good game as did an apparently improved Hudson, who looked very good out there. Jahi-Daniels however, needs to go; an atrocious game. Ironically, Eric Davis sees potential in him and said as much just before he imploded!

No pass rush (Lawson was a big disappointment) and our backup defense couldn't stop the run to save their lives! And is it just me, or did Parys Haralson look like he was plodding out there? Seemed very heavy-footed and slow; certainly looked like he 's bigger.

First team OL did well and Vernon may become a receiving threat yet. Coffee was okay, but nothing to write home about yet. And Sheets had some moments, albeit it against their scrubs. would also have liked to see more fo our other wideouts. Hopefully we will in up coming games. Overall, a decent start to the preseason.
I have always thought Adam Snyder could have been better but was limited by stupid coaches and bad decisions. I think his performance is huge in that they might now feel able to go with some rawer guys like Bender and Boone and let guys like Sims and Toledo and possibly Wallace go. I think the upsides is very limited with those guys while Bender and Boone could have some real abilities. It seems the team is working thru the deadwood and we are seeing the cream separate. Guys like Hudson, Snyder,Reggie Smith, Jay Moore are improving while others are being bypassed. I think we are fortunate in that injuries have taken guys out that had limited futures. In spite of all the rough practices, the injuries have seemed pretty minor and I get the impression these guys are stronger then in previous years.
Same ol, same ol. Stinky QB's and NO pass rush = no playoffs The Niners had cap space and did not choose to use it to upgrade these areas. They will regret that decision soon eneough. Until this brain trust the Niners have actually leaves, things won't change. Singletary can motivate all he wants. Nothing changes this year.
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I'm terribly concerned about the pass rush. My goodness...*whistles*

Very excited about Davis - if he can keep from self destructing he will AT LEAST be a nuisance to the opponent. He doesn't necessarily have to be Super TE.

I wonder if Reggie Smith is good enough to challenge Goldson @ safety? Hmm...

Coffee will make a great backup, I think. Not a homerun hitter but we don't need him to do that. Sheets...eh...jury's still out but he could potentially be a big play guy.

I would've liked to see Nate Davis throw the ball at least once. In fact I remember being rather pissed that they didn't.

I wonder if Huard is good enough to earn the #2 spot....Hmm. I wonder if he's more consistient that both QB's ahead of him....Hmm...

I'm not ready to comment on Hill after 2 attempts. Smith....eh...
For the first preseason game I thought we where very conservative on both sides of the ball. Which as the season nears I hope to see us be more aggresive in our play calling.

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The a couple things stood out to me and that was Veron Davis look great to me and also Micheal Spurlock and Glen Coffee and the Britt guy. Offensive line needs Sing to light a fire underneath their butts. They didn't play bad but could have been a lot more physical with and F. QB where okay but I expect a lot more from both of them. WR Josh Morgan for someone to be the go to guy at the position he looks disintrested. His routes looked lazy and he was slow out of his cuts and breaks. Jones and Crabtree not being their is not helping him cause he thinks he is got the position on lock now. Battle is battle you know what to expect. Zak keasley is not a good fit for our style of offense know.

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Defensive line Everybody is talking bout outside linebackers yes they have to do a lot better. But how can the be effective if the Qb can just step up in the pocket. We have to get pressure up the middle in the QB face our three down linemen are the key to our success. They must get pressure up the middle and after watching the game over and over again I did not see it.

So the offense and defensive line is the key to our sucess this year point blank. If anybody can argue different let me know[/b]
VD baby.....and J. Morgan
Overall i thought the game was ok, for the first preseason. The game was a pretty vanella and those games are real hard to judge. What I liked was the overall performance of Coffee and the O-line, and especially Vernon. What I did not like was the pass rush and how easy it was for the broncos to move the ball. I know it was the first game, so I am holding judgment, but out of all the things I want to hear about in game 2 I want to hear about our D truly shutting the other teams O down. PEACE FROM THE FAN.