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Offensive Analysis thread (Preseason Week 1)

Originally posted by boomer49er:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by boomer49er:

That play was great. Morgan likely had the option to go a couple different ways on the that route depending on what the DB (Bailey) did.

Doubtful because if I recall correctly, Smith threw the ball before Morgan even made his break. It looked like a timed route in which Morgan was to comeback on the inside, which is what he did, but Smith threw the ball right towards Bailey and Morgan made a great play. If Morgan had options, then Smith shouldn't have fired the ball before he made a break because Morgan could have chosen to break outside and that would have resulted in a pick (maybe even a pick-6). I'm pretty sure it was a planned route though.

Just because it's an option route doesn't mean that you can hold teh ball until he makes the break, because it's already too late at that point. An option route doesn't mean that the WR has an option to run whatever route he wants, he has to read the defense and run the route that is required agaisnt that defense, and Smith had the same read to make. Also, if the trun as to the outside, then Morgan must have broke the laws of physics and teleported himself to the other side of bailey, because he was there just after turning around, he turned tot he inside. The play was great.

You are right,that was a great play by Smith and Morgan.Too bad some of these jackasses are so biased against Smith that their pride will not allow them to acknowledge it.Keep on speaking the truth Boomer,even if these biased fools are too blind to see.I keep seeing all this criticism of Smith,but last night Hill was also holding the ball too long and staring down receivers,but these guys that root for a single player over the team are never gonna admit it.If Hill had made the same play it would have been a brilliant masterpiece and something that Smith could never do.Sometimes I wonder if these guys can even see the truth,or if they are so blinded by hate for Smith that they would rather him fail than to have him be successful and help the team,which is the best possible scenario for the team.
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Originally posted by teeohh:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Lol I can't get enough of the over reaction. I agree Alex wasn't amazing. But Ill bet anything that if Shaun did what Alex did none of you guys would be this reactionary. It would have been "same ok Alex only leads us to a FG and holds the ball too long gets sacked. I know I saw VD wide open dood."

This is never ending. I can't wait until the coaches just decide on someone so we can stop having this stupid debate.

And of course Huard looked "better." Derrrr he has 13 years of experience. WTF did you expect?

lol even then it won't stop. When one of them messes up there will be some people that say man we should have chosen the other guy instead.

Seriously man it's like a broken record. No matter what Smith does it's just "he sucks." I almost don't want him to be our QB because every fkin week it will be the same drivel. They'll analyze his every throw and what his left leg was doing and how a WR had to adjust etc etc. I'd rather let Shaun start so we can have civilized discussions again. Let another team deal with Alex-gate.

At least if Shaun sucks everyone will still find the positives and move on. Alex? People are still hung up on his college coaches quote from nearly 5 years ago.

IIRC, Shaun put together quite a few sustained drives last season. He put one together last night.

Here's what I want out of Alex. Put together 2 consecutive sustained scoring drives of your own. 7 minutes or longer, 10 plus plays, 2-3 first downs from a pass play, 1 or 2 3rd down conversions via a pass play. Cap them off with TD passes if you can, but FGs or rushing TDs will do. Look in synch, play with a rhythm. Have your whole offense looking crisp and moving with a purpose. Is that too much to ask?

If he does that, it puts him on par with Shaun, but in the bigger picture, he actually leapfrogs Shaun because it proves he can run an offense to go with his higher physical upside and better big-play capability.

So Alex, deal? Just two sustained scoring drives. Can you do it? You have 4 preseason quarters left.
Coffee looked solid and should get better.

Sheets is not a starting RB in this league but he could be a great change of pace back something we have needed. I was impressed with him last night.
My thoughts...

-Coffee did pretty good for his first game as a rookie. Huuuge upgrade over Foster from last season.

-Sheets should be a good change of pace back.

-I pray to God that Hill is the starter. Let's face it Smith just isn't gonna cut it.

-Huard might just be a better backup than Smith.

-Roman just plain SUCKS.

-Bly is gonna be SOLID!

-Goldson and R.Smith look very nice.

-Haralson and Manny better step the hell up.

-A. Franklin is garbage. We desperately need a NT upgrade next year.

-Ulbrich should retire.

-Special Teams weren't that "special".

-Run Defense was just average.

-That kid Spurlock looked kinda nice.

-Pass protection was better than the 4 sacks indicate IMO.

-M. Hudson's a player.
Originally posted by BigBug415:
My thoughts...

-Coffee did pretty good for his first game as a rookie. Huuuge upgrade over Foster from last season.

-Sheets should be a good change of pace back.

-I pray to God that Hill is the starter. Let's face it Smith just isn't gonna cut it.

-Huard might just be a better backup than Smith.

-Roman just plain SUCKS.

-Bly is gonna be SOLID!

-Goldson and R.Smith look very nice.

-Haralson and Manny better step the hell up.

-A. Franklin is garbage. We desperately need a NT upgrade next year.

-Ulbrich should retire.

-Special Teams weren't that "special".

-Run Defense was just average.

-That kid Spurlock looked kinda nice.

-Pass protection was better than the 4 sacks indicate IMO.

-M. Hudson's a player.

Neither one of the QB's looked spectacular,but both were solid.Dunno what you saw out there,but Smith made the best throw of the night to Morgan for what should have been a first down but for a bad spot.I think the coaches should have asked for a measurement,maybe even a review on that play.One preseason game isn't enough to base this decision on,Singletary even said so himself.Both QB's held on to the ball too long,Hill stared down his receiver on both completions to VD.Smith did on a couple of plays as well.QB competition still looks neck and neck,which by default favors Hill.
Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Originally posted by teeohh:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Lol I can't get enough of the over reaction. I agree Alex wasn't amazing. But Ill bet anything that if Shaun did what Alex did none of you guys would be this reactionary. It would have been "same ok Alex only leads us to a FG and holds the ball too long gets sacked. I know I saw VD wide open dood."

This is never ending. I can't wait until the coaches just decide on someone so we can stop having this stupid debate.

And of course Huard looked "better." Derrrr he has 13 years of experience. WTF did you expect?

lol even then it won't stop. When one of them messes up there will be some people that say man we should have chosen the other guy instead.

Seriously man it's like a broken record. No matter what Smith does it's just "he sucks." I almost don't want him to be our QB because every fkin week it will be the same drivel. They'll analyze his every throw and what his left leg was doing and how a WR had to adjust etc etc. I'd rather let Shaun start so we can have civilized discussions again. Let another team deal with Alex-gate.

At least if Shaun sucks everyone will still find the positives and move on. Alex? People are still hung up on his college coaches quote from nearly 5 years ago.

IIRC, Shaun put together quite a few sustained drives last season. He put one together last night.

Here's what I want out of Alex. Put together 2 consecutive sustained scoring drives of your own. 7 minutes or longer, 10 plus plays, 2-3 first downs from a pass play, 1 or 2 3rd down conversions via a pass play. Cap them off with TD passes if you can, but FGs or rushing TDs will do. Look in synch, play with a rhythm. Have your whole offense looking crisp and moving with a purpose. Is that too much to ask?

If he does that, it puts him on par with Shaun, but in the bigger picture, he actually leapfrogs Shaun because it proves he can run an offense to go with his higher physical upside and better big-play capability.

So Alex, deal? Just two sustained scoring drives. Can you do it? You have 4 preseason quarters left.

I would totally agree. It's not like he hasn't done it before. He just needs to do it now and often.

Better get it done.
People say this about Smith because he still needs to show that he can consistantly have success and be smooth. Shaun HAS shown this already which is why he is allowed a mulligan.
Originally posted by Joecool:
People say this about Smith because he still needs to show that he can consistantly have success and be smooth. Shaun HAS shown this already which is why he is allowed a mulligan.


yea but if you want to start handing out mulligans then look at other good qbs whove had stalled drives this preseason. i just watched phillip rivers have 2 or 3 before coming out. so wouldnt you say it was good just to see alex completing passes and only have 2 or 3 mistakes, the only major one on the screen pass?
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Joecool:
People say this about Smith because he still needs to show that he can consistantly have success and be smooth. Shaun HAS shown this already which is why he is allowed a mulligan.


yea but if you want to start handing out mulligans then look at other good qbs whove had stalled drives this preseason. i just watched phillip rivers have 2 or 3 before coming out. so wouldnt you say it was good just to see alex completing passes and only have 2 or 3 mistakes, the only major one on the screen pass?


You're right. Not all QBs make all the right throws and they make mistakes. Hell Tom Brady threw an ugly pick game 1 as well.

I think we just want to see Alex take ownership and really separate himself. I don't expect him to be Montana or Young...just play well enough to show you're good enough to start.

And the screen pass was a mistake. Even HE admits that. So let's move on.

On to the Raiders.
Originally posted by teeohh:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Lol I can't get enough of the over reaction. I agree Alex wasn't amazing. But Ill bet anything that if Shaun did what Alex did none of you guys would be this reactionary. It would have been "same ok Alex only leads us to a FG and holds the ball too long gets sacked. I know I saw VD wide open dood."

This is never ending. I can't wait until the coaches just decide on someone so we can stop having this stupid debate.

And of course Huard looked "better." Derrrr he has 13 years of experience. WTF did you expect?

lol even then it won't stop. When one of them messes up there will be some people that say man we should have chosen the other guy instead.

It's called a QB controversy, and the QB experts and know it all's are coming out of the woodwork.
Originally posted by BigBug415:
My thoughts...

-Coffee did pretty good for his first game as a rookie. Huuuge upgrade over Foster from last season.

-Sheets should be a good change of pace back.

-I pray to God that Hill is the starter. Let's face it Smith just isn't gonna cut it.

-Huard might just be a better backup than Smith.

-Roman just plain SUCKS.

-Bly is gonna be SOLID!

-Goldson and R.Smith look very nice.

-Haralson and Manny better step the hell up.

-A. Franklin is garbage. We desperately need a NT upgrade next year.

-Ulbrich should retire.

-Special Teams weren't that "special".

-Run Defense was just average.

-That kid Spurlock looked kinda nice.

-Pass protection was better than the 4 sacks indicate IMO.

-M. Hudson's a player.


Ulbrich should retire, Roman does suck and Marcus Hudson is a player but I think Franklin will be okay at NT in Manusky's 3-4 system where he will be shooting the gap's more. He played pretty dam well late last season and I think he and Soaps will make a solid NT tandem.
i agree that coffee didnt blow me away.
but i think that is the point. anybody here watch basketball?
he's kinda like that under-talented, over-acheiving-cuz-he-works-harder-than-heck, physical, annoying guy that comes off the bench and really makes you spend A TON of energy trying to defend. then the starter comes back in and takes advantage of how worn out you are from going against that scrub who just kept fighting.
i really like this role for coffee.
it should make gore much more effective.
okk...i dont about you guys but i think coffee looked good out there...its his first game in the NFL ...let the guy get the feel of it first....because if you watched the game ...he gets better n better as the game goes on ...he's a solid backup and just watch next week...he'll play even better against that one team....whats the team called? they play in oakland...damn i forget...must not be important
I saw a decent defense without Willis and with absolutely no pass rush. On offense I saw sacks that were simular to what I saw last season. I know that it is the first pre-season game but after watching a couple of our practices I had hoped to see a bit more truthfully but I have to remember we had players sitting out and it is pre-season.

I am really more curious now to see how we do this week against a tougher Raider's defense. We have the perfect pre-season schedule cause the games should get incrementally tougher each week.
[ Edited by 49ERwhiner on Aug 16, 2009 at 3:57 AM ]
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Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
Originally posted by captnkos:
I thought all of Frank Gore's potential backups looked pretty sorry. None of them looked better than DeShaun Foster or Michael Robinson to me.

Pass protection did not look great against vanilla defense. Wallace looked like he got steamrolled.

Lawson did not show anything new. He looked like the same guy we've seen, for good or for bad.

If there is still any question about who our starting QB is, I would be shocked. Hill looked solid.

Dre Bly is a starter . . .

VD had a couple of great grabs . . . love it when the ball is in his hands in space.

McKillop looked ok, but got burned over the middle by a T.E.

Overall I thought the team looked pretty similar to last year. I hope with improved play calling/coaching/game management the close games fall our way rather than the way they went last year.


I agree about, Coffee, he did not blow me away but he did look solid and I think Kory Sheets can give us a spark in the running game.

I thought our defense was very vanilla but Nolan brought a lot of pressure with the Broncos D and some of their defensive starters were still in the game late in the 3rd quarter.

Our first string O-Line did a very nice job in pass protection, our 2nd unit, not so much. Marvel Smith played well but Joe Toledo and Cody Wallace got abused and Barry Sims, well he's Barry Sims.


I didn't think Smith was cleared to practice yet...let alone play. Seriously I don't recall seeing him on the field at all...