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Offensive Analysis thread (Preseason Week 1)

Originally posted by MadMartz:
Originally posted by Method:
Originally posted by MadMartz:
Originally posted by Method:
Overall grade for the offense: F.

Anytime you have a chance to go for a two minute drill before half and you pull a Nolan you should have your blood leeched out of your p***y body.

Its preseason and we were up and shutting them out. I am sure it was more of a move to protect the players than anything. No reason to have Alex force the issue screw up and bruise his ego early. Why force the issue? For what? A preseason game? Save the good stuff for the regular season and dont reveal your hand till you have to.

That doesn't really refute anything I said. Can someone else give me any good reasons that makes justifiable sense? Because this post did none of that.

1) We were shutting them out.
2) Protect the players.
3) Force the issue
3a) Bruise his ego
4) Save the good stuff for the Regular Season

1) Who cares? It's preseason against the Denver Broncos with Kyle Orton making his best JTO impression.
2) These guys are NFL players, they are used to the contact, and one extra drive won't do s**t to them IMO.
3) Forcing the issue is trying to do a Hail Mary three downs straight and then faking a punt on your own 10. What we did was called being Straight up PUS**IES.
3a) I think going through these past couple of years + getting booed in Training Camp has already shown Alex that he can handle people talking s**t about him.
4) Ugh. There's no such thing as enough practice. There's gotta be some second-rate plays we can run with easy routes which we'd never really use to get more practice for our players.

Running the clock out with 1:41 was worthless and was the number 1 reason I totally disliked our performance offensively tonight. If we're going to continue being the team on the field who will never take any chances, then we will be the team to continually lose.

I think you are overreacting here. Again its preseason, it doesnt count. Not only that but we won the game. We also were in scoring position to end the game. I`m sorry but I just dont get your gripe. We had 1:37 and we were on the 11 yard line. What do you expect?

That was the last series for (most of) the first stringers so I think Mike Sing wanted to stick with rushing the ball as if it were the 4th quarter - late in the game - and run out the clock, protect the lead and the win. Coffee and the O-line were effective. 4 straight rushes - 26 yards. Exactly what Sing expects to see in order to close out games.
Originally posted by MadMartz:
How about the undrafted rookie out of Illinois who is a converted LB to FB. I am Impressed with Miller and I am rooting for him. He has that funny accent too, one of those guys you just like automatically because the way he talks.
If he keeps this up ------ it will also be because of what he does. LOL

I think Miller even surprized himself ------ what a great experience.
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Originally posted by chico49erfan:
Originally posted by teeohh:



my boy!

his eyes are not on the ball... ughhh

hahaha VD looked so good tonight i am pump to see him in full


yes his eyes arent on the ball...because he is looking down field because he already has posession of the ball.. im just glad to see his eyes arent closed unlike some pictures ive seen of him on here
I didn't read this whole thread and don't intend to, so I don't know if anyone mentioned this or not, but.. I think we saw entirely too much of Damon Huard and absolutely nothing from Nate Davis. Huard is an old fart, he knows what it's like to play in the NFL. Nate Davis needs some practice and he probably won't get that during the season, so they should be looking at what he can do in preseason. Instead, I got to watch an 86-year-old Damon Huard the whole 3rd quarter and half of the 4th. They didn't even call a single pass play for Nate Davis. How are they going to evaluate the youngster like that?

I feel Shaun Hill was more decisive than Alex Smith on the few plays he was allowed to throw the ball. The two sacks he suffered were both Zak Keasey's fault. He got ran the f*ck over the first time, winding up on his back. The second time, he attempted to pick up a blitzing linebacker and failed miserably. The guy ran right around him and when Keasey finally made contact with him, he pushed him right into Hill. Keasey is a damn joke and I seriously cannot understand why the hell he's still on this team. There's no room for this loser. Moran Norris is our FB, and after tonight I'd be so much happier with Brit Miller as his backup. Keasey needs to go immediately!

Alex Smith looked decent, but still showed some indecisiveness. That's obviously an area he's always had trouble in and something he's going to need to work on if he wants to be successful. It was the first preseason game and I expected everyone to be rusty, but Alex delivered a little more than I expected. I still don't think he would be a better option than Shaun Hill and he really didn't do anything to change my mind tonight, but he didn't look bad.

Vernon Davis looked very good tonight. They went to him early and he made a couple nice grabs. Shaun Hill said he was open on the second sack that Keasey gave up, which means Hill likely would have gone to Vernon had he not been sacked.

Josh Morgan's grab in front of Champ Bailey was dope. I think he'll have a pretty good year, but I don't think he'll explode until next season. I could be wrong though. He looks damn good.
[ Edited by 49erRider on Aug 15, 2009 at 2:30 AM ]
Glen Coffee: 14 carries for 67 yard

4.8 yds per carry
Even though Shaun Hill only threw 2 passes he still looked better than Alex! You can tell that Shaun has a better feel for the game. Alex still has a lot to prove!
Brit Miller did a great job tonight. Hopefully this means the end of the embarrassment that is Zak Keasey. That guy is a damn joke. Both sacks on Shaun Hill were Keasey's fault. As I said in another thread, on the first sack he got laid out like blueprints and on the second sack he didn't even get a hand on the defender until the end when he shoved him right into Shaun Hill.

Keep Brit Miller around, give Zak Keasey the boot. Enough of this nonsense.
Both Keasey and Miller won't make the team.

Possible Miller makes the practice squad, but that's about it.
Originally posted by nflguy49:
It's just the first preseason game so I don't put much into it both good and bad. That being said:

Hill: He threw two passes for 41 yards and led the 49ers to 3 points on the opening drive before leaving the game. His only mistake was holding the ball too long on one play where he was sacked (Smith did the same thing on his first drive).


Smith: He went 5 of 7 (or something like that) but didn't lead the team on a scoring drive until the 49ers defense intercepted a Denver pass and brought it back to the Denver 5 yardline. His 3rd down pass to Morgan on Baileys side (which was short of the first down marker) should have been picked off. He threw behind Morgan so he (morgan) had to come back to the ball and jump in front of Bailey to make the catch. Morgan looked like the db on the play. He missed badly on an easy short pass to a rb and badly over threw a wr down the right sideline on 3rd down. Overall he wasn't horrible but Smith needs to outplay Hill to win the starting job back. Tonight Smith did nothing to make the coaches think twice about naming Hill the starter. Lucky for Smith there is plenty more football to play before a decision is made.

Glen Coffee looked GOOD! He was fast and ran with power. It's still early but he made an impressive debut as a 49er.

That play was great. Morgan likely had the option to go a couple different ways on the that route depending on what the DB (Bailey) did. If he stays in his backpeddle you run by him, if he turns to run with you, you break it off and come back. Smith saw Bailey turn his back and he fired it in there, Morgan saw the same thing and cut off his route and turned around with the ball already on its way. Champ is the best, and he turned back fast too, but he wasn't going to get to that ball. It was a great throw by Smith and it was a great route by Morgan. That play shows Smith and Morgan have a nice connection going on, that Smith isn't afraid to throw the ball before a receiver gets open, and he isn't afraid to throw at a first ballot hall of famer.

Had it been a poor throw, Bailey would have been able to get to it, and Morgan wouldn't have had a chance. What we saw though, was Morgan and Smith take advantage of Champ Bailey.
Originally posted by dwy621:
Even though Shaun Hill only threw 2 passes he still looked better than Alex! You can tell that Shaun has a better feel for the game. Alex still has a lot to prove!

you could also say BECAUSE he threw only 2 passes he looked better
Originally posted by boomer49er:

That play was great. Morgan likely had the option to go a couple different ways on the that route depending on what the DB (Bailey) did.

Doubtful because if I recall correctly, Smith threw the ball before Morgan even made his break. It looked like a timed route in which Morgan was to comeback on the inside, which is what he did, but Smith threw the ball right towards Bailey and Morgan made a great play. If Morgan had options, then Smith shouldn't have fired the ball before he made a break because Morgan could have chosen to break outside and that would have resulted in a pick (maybe even a pick-6). I'm pretty sure it was a planned route though.
Originally posted by RonMexico:
Originally posted by dwy621:
Even though Shaun Hill only threw 2 passes he still looked better than Alex! You can tell that Shaun has a better feel for the game. Alex still has a lot to prove!

you could also say BECAUSE he threw only 2 passes he looked better

He looked better because he's more decisive and smooth.
Originally posted by KowboyKiller:
Glen Coffee: 14 carries for 67 yard

4.8 yds per carry

Kory Sheets 10 carries for 51 yards

5.1 yds per carry staying true to his 5.0 avg in college. If sheets doesnt make this team then the coaching staff is blind. The kid can make plays and break one at any moment. He just needs to learn to play pass protection and pick up blitzes. He is just what the doctor ordered, a home run threat. Last home run threat I can remember was Charlie Garner. He actually reminds me a lot of Garner.
Originally posted by MadMartz:
Originally posted by KowboyKiller:
Glen Coffee: 14 carries for 67 yard

4.8 yds per carry

Kory Sheets 10 carries for 51 yards

5.1 yds per carry staying true to his 5.0 avg in college. If sheets doesnt make this team then the coaching staff is blind. The kid can make plays and break one at any moment. He just needs to learn to play pass protection and pick up blitzes. He is just what the doctor ordered, a home run threat. Last home run threat I can remember was Charlie Garner. He actually reminds me a lot of Garner.

I'm excited about Sheets too! He almost hit paydirt that last play.
It's really not fair to really rate either one especially Hill. Four pass plays and only 2 completions to VD isn't exactly any body of work to go by. Sometimes I think his decisiveness is a flaw at times. It was hard to tell because of the camera but it looked like there was a better and deeper option than VD on that second pass. So personally I would give Hill no rating. I'm sure if Hill went 3 and out and looked terrible the first thing Hill supporters would say is that one series doesn't really reflect anything and doesn't mean he shouldn't be the starter.

I mean if Kyle Orton went out after his first series I'm sure the feeling would've been "while the INT was bad he did have a good job of driving the offense to be in good position to score" But since he played a couple more series and tossed a couple more picks the feeling is that it was a complete and utter disaster for him.

My point is that there is no way that one series will give you an impression of a guy one way or another.

We got a bit more of body of work with Alex so we can get some impression of him but again there weren't a lot of pass plays to go by. Having only watched everything once my initial impressions of Smith was that he did average to good.

The bad on him was he did hold onto the ball a bit too long and you can't whiff on that pass to Coffee since that had potential to be a big play if completed and that TD pass to Miller should've been a better pass and thrown sooner.

The good I thought was besides the misfires noted above he threw a pretty good ball. While the passes weren't picture perfect they were perfectly catchable and the WR didn't have to stretch out or really make an effort to catch the ball. To add to that there really weren't any dumb throws either which lead to there being no INTs.

Overall I would say we're pretty much right were we started in the competition. Hill having a slight edge over Smith so hopefully the Raiders game will give us a clear picture.

I was really disappointed in the number of reps the QBs and both should've gotten another series or two. Hill should've went two or three to make sure if he's the starter he gets enough reps to get into a groove and I think Smith should've been out there till the 4th quarter as he's missed basically two years of football so he needs some in game reps to knock rust off and get a rhythm.

Also running the ball and the clock out with under 2 minutes to till half was just completely lame. It was a perfect opportunity for the offense to get some work in and more importantly Smith since he's the guy you want to see in pressure situations and how he handles the load when it's put on his shoulders.