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Offensive Analysis thread (Preseason Week 1)

Originally posted by 49ersNorcal:
Goodbye Jason Hill, Zak Keasey, and Michael Clayton. Spurlock had a good game and I didn't see much of anything from Jason Hill out there tonight. But hey that just might be me. Nate Davis is really good at handing the ball off to the running backs. Oh and keep feeding Vernon the ball. The man is hungry and can become a playmaker for us in the coming weeks, months, and years.


jason hill actually got open and made a catch in the first gametime he had. dude only played a few mins in the 4th, and he played well last year so i think dumping him after one preseason game would be highly questionable.
Originally posted by Method:
Overall grade for the offense: F.

Anytime you have a chance to go for a two minute drill before half and you pull a Nolan you should have your blood leeched out of your p***y body.

Its preseason and we were up and shutting them out. I am sure it was more of a move to protect the players than anything. No reason to have Alex force the issue screw up and bruise his ego early. Why force the issue? For what? A preseason game? Save the good stuff for the regular season and dont reveal your hand till you have to.
Originally posted by 49ERwhiner:
Originally posted by MadMartz:
The offensive unit looked pretty good as a whole. The pass blocking still looks to be an issue along with our short yardage running game. But in general I was happy with what I saw. Sheets looks very explosive and Coffee looks like a Gore clone. Keasy was less than impressive (as usual) and ineffective from what I saw. Its hard to judge the QB competition since Hill was only 2 for 2 but Alex didn't play bad. I wouldn't say he impressed me but he didn't disappoint either. All in all we looked pretty good considering Gore or Bruce didn't even suit up.

On a side note, is Dlove injured? I didn't see him at all.

They held him out the last week because of a concussion.

Thanx, I figured as much. He usually blows it up in the preseason.
Originally posted by nflguy49:
It's just the first preseason game so I don't put much into it both good and bad. That being said:

Hill: He threw two passes for 41 yards and led the 49ers to 3 points on the opening drive before leaving the game. His only mistake was holding the ball too long on one play where he was sacked (Smith did the same thing on his first drive).


Smith: He went 5 of 7 (or something like that) but didn't lead the team on a scoring drive until the 49ers defense intercepted a Denver pass and brought it back to the Denver 5 yardline. His 3rd down pass to Morgan on Baileys side (which was short of the first down marker) should have been picked off. He threw behind Morgan so he (morgan) had to come back to the ball and jump in front of Bailey to make the catch. Morgan looked like the db on the play. He missed badly on an easy short pass to a rb and badly over threw a wr down the right sideline on 3rd down. Overall he wasn't horrible but Smith needs to outplay Hill to win the starting job back. Tonight Smith did nothing to make the coaches think twice about naming Hill the starter. Lucky for Smith there is plenty more football to play before a decision is made.

great overall post..... although in 49er Talk we posters are perceived bias or what ever.....at the end of the day the coaching staff will see these plays over and over in the film room in the next couple of days........and this is what is important.

Hopefully Alex will start next week....but he will have to play lights out against the Raiders will Hill struggling for him to be considered for the starter's role.....

Hell he will have to just play well in that game to hold on to the #2....because if Alex really struggles again and Huard plays like he did earlier....I"m sure there is going to be some rumblings in the FO.

I did like how Alex reset his feet on that one play to make a VERY nice throw.....I don't remember him doing that back in 06/07.
Originally posted by MadMartz:
Originally posted by Method:
Overall grade for the offense: F.

Anytime you have a chance to go for a two minute drill before half and you pull a Nolan you should have your blood leeched out of your p***y body.

Its preseason and we were up and shutting them out. I am sure it was more of a move to protect the players than anything. No reason to have Alex force the issue screw up and bruise his ego early. Why force the issue? For what? A preseason game? Save the good stuff for the regular season and dont reveal your hand till you have to.

That doesn't really refute anything I said. Can someone else give me any good reasons that makes justifiable sense? Because this post did none of that.

1) We were shutting them out.
2) Protect the players.
3) Force the issue
3a) Bruise his ego
4) Save the good stuff for the Regular Season

1) Who cares? It's preseason against the Denver Broncos with Kyle Orton making his best JTO impression.
2) These guys are NFL players, they are used to the contact, and one extra drive won't do s**t to them IMO.
3) Forcing the issue is trying to do a Hail Mary three downs straight and then faking a punt on your own 10. What we did was called being Straight up PUS**IES.
3a) I think going through these past couple of years + getting booed in Training Camp has already shown Alex that he can handle people talking s**t about him.
4) Ugh. There's no such thing as enough practice. There's gotta be some second-rate plays we can run with easy routes which we'd never really use to get more practice for our players.

Running the clock out with 1:41 was worthless and was the number 1 reason I totally disliked our performance offensively tonight. If we're going to continue being the team on the field who will never take any chances, then we will be the team to continually lose.
[ Edited by Method on Aug 15, 2009 at 12:45 AM ]
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Wow talk about over reaction. I really wonder how some of you function in day to day life. LOL.

Everyone performed as expected. Hill looked smoother (because he HASNT been on IR for 1.5-2 years and HASNT had 2 shoulder surgeries). Smith struggled early then came on later. Did you seriously expect Smith to come out and play lights out?? LOL anyone who expected Smith to come out and play really well was kidding them selves. He did well enough. Now, both he AND Shaun got their first game jitters out of the way, its time for the competition to heat up. Its time for Smith to take ownership and thats what I'll be looking for. To me, this game was to see where everyone was at.

Shaun: did well, showed he can get it done and has a natural feel for the drive.

Smith: still starts a little slow, then picks it up. Consistency is key. Hill has more consistency. I think it will come for Alex with more reps.


Overall, the offense looked ok. I really wish we saw some deep passes (especially from Smith) and one 2 min type drill. Instead we become conservative. This game had a strange Nolan-like feel to it.

Anyway, VD looks great, WRs look good, and O-line is not great but better than last year or any other year.

All in all....work in progress...just as expected.


"B" for everyone.

Brother....... how does that jock strap taste anyway?

Smith has to really prove it, big time. People forget the only reason he is on the roster is because he was hurt. If not hurt he would have been jettisoned. where is the magic, the PRESENCE, the wins? He is here only because McCloughan's rep is on the line.

What does Smith have to, NOT do, to impress upon you he is marginal at best?
Third preseason game, truth be told. We will all know, at least for the opening of the season.

It is all about the 49er team, not about over paid "nice guy" players who can't cut it and get continuous opportunities solely because of the amount of money invested in them.

Give me a Sheets, Coffee, et all instead of a nice guy who finishes.. last.

If I'm wrong and Smith becomes the new SAVIOR of our Niners then life is good and I'm a dunce, but.. I see a kind of Drunkenmiller somewhere here..

16-17 win, turn out the lights, the parties over.. till next week!

NINERS 2009!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Sheets is going to be a star!! Him and gore will both rush for over 1000 yards next season mark my words![/center]

Doubt it. Coffee and Gore will get a 1,000 before Sheets and Gore will. Coffee will be the breather back/ 2nd headed monster in our run game. Sheets looked excellent out there though. He definatley adds an element to an already good run game.
Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
Smith got a bad spot on the pass on third down on his first drive, I think is might have been Morgan who caught it.

Hill did drive the ball down the field, but he also took a sack that stalled the drive, and the ball was held for a very long time on that play.

I don't know why they didn't allow Smith to run the two minute drill at the end of the half, but even without it he did find Morgan for a first down on third and long to keep the ball in our hands to run out the clock. I really can't understand the reasoning for not taking the oppertunity to run a 2:00 drill in a true game situation though.

Maybe they were running the "impose our will - run out the clock" drill. A pillar of Mike Sing's philosophy, yes?

Ohhh man.........!
Said he hopes for better this season. Are you not a disciple of run the ball, a cloud of dust, low scoring games?!?!?
Wit you bro.
Originally posted by KasparHauser:
Hill won tonight 100%. I cannot believe that people think there was no separation. Hill had 1 chance, was 2/2 for 41 yards, and got 3 points. Smith had 4 chances, and only scored when he was given the ball at the 11 yard line.

Kory Sheet looked awesome. He looked better than Coffee in my opinion. Kory averaged 5.1 yards with the 3rd string line blocking for him. By game 3 you all will see. Shaun Hill and Kory Sheets.

Kory sheets also ran against a 3rd string Defense tonight while Coffee ran against the 1st stringers .

By Game 3 You will see, Shaun Hill and Gore/Coffee
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by KasparHauser:
Originally posted by Super5:
Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:
Originally posted by KasparHauser:
Hill won tonight 100%. I cannot believe that people think there was no separation. Hill had 1 chance, was 2/2 for 41 yards, and got 3 points. Smith had 4 chances, and only scored when he was given the ball at the 11 yard line.


Agreed. He moved the chains. Got VD involved as a weapon.

Round 1 goes to Shaun.



Alex moved the chains.Got Josh Morgan involved as a weapon.Threw a TD pass to Bret Miller

Round 1 goes to Alex.

Sweet Jesus. Rount 1 goes to Hill. Hill had one chance and scored. Alex Smith had four chances and only scored when he was given the ball on the 11th yard line. And actually, he should have thrown it Davis who was wide open in the end zone.

Why do people continue to say 11th yard line, it was inside the 5.

Quote:
San Francisco 49ers at 05:21
1-3-DEN 3 (5:21) 11-A.Smith pass short left to 47-B.Miller for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Caught at DEN 1.
3-A.Romero extra point is No Good, Wide Right, Center-86-B.Jennings, Holder-4-A.Lee.
DEN 0 SF 9 Plays: 1 Possession: 0:05

Because they don't have their facts together Kolohe...plain and simple.
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Obviously I'm going to rewatch the game because I definitely don't see things the way the rest of the board does.

To me Coffee looked like another M.Rob (2 yards and a cloud of dust). I dont think he is better than sheets, thats for sure.

Alex looked horrible. I was at the game. I saw him miss recievers and place the ball in places that didn't allow the reciever to make plays. He was booed at least twice at Candlestick.

Thats all I can think of now.

because a 4.7 ypc average is so terrible

Both Coffee and Sheets did execeptional.
Originally posted by Bali-Niner:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Wow talk about over reaction. I really wonder how some of you function in day to day life. LOL.

Everyone performed as expected. Hill looked smoother (because he HASNT been on IR for 1.5-2 years and HASNT had 2 shoulder surgeries). Smith struggled early then came on later. Did you seriously expect Smith to come out and play lights out?? LOL anyone who expected Smith to come out and play really well was kidding them selves. He did well enough. Now, both he AND Shaun got their first game jitters out of the way, its time for the competition to heat up. Its time for Smith to take ownership and thats what I'll be looking for. To me, this game was to see where everyone was at.

Shaun: did well, showed he can get it done and has a natural feel for the drive.

Smith: still starts a little slow, then picks it up. Consistency is key. Hill has more consistency. I think it will come for Alex with more reps.


Overall, the offense looked ok. I really wish we saw some deep passes (especially from Smith) and one 2 min type drill. Instead we become conservative. This game had a strange Nolan-like feel to it.

Anyway, VD looks great, WRs look good, and O-line is not great but better than last year or any other year.

All in all....work in progress...just as expected.


"B" for everyone.

Brother....... how does that jock strap taste anyway?

Smith has to really prove it, big time. People forget the only reason he is on the roster is because he was hurt. If not hurt he would have been jettisoned. where is the magic, the PRESENCE, the wins? He is here only because McCloughan's rep is on the line.

What does Smith have to, NOT do, to impress upon you he is marginal at best?
Third preseason game, truth be told. We will all know, at least for the opening of the season.

It is all about the 49er team, not about over paid "nice guy" players who can't cut it and get continuous opportunities solely because of the amount of money invested in them.

Give me a Sheets, Coffee, et all instead of a nice guy who finishes.. last.

If I'm wrong and Smith becomes the new SAVIOR of our Niners then life is good and I'm a dunce, but.. I see a kind of Drunkenmiller somewhere here..

16-17 win, turn out the lights, the parties over.. till next week!

NINERS 2009!!!!!!!!!

Jock strap? Uh no. I think HILL should start. I've maintained that since the end of last season.

Im merely stating the facts: Smith played OKAY. How is that me "jock riding?"

typical zone hyperbole.
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Originally posted by Bali-Niner:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Wow talk about over reaction. I really wonder how some of you function in day to day life. LOL.

Everyone performed as expected. Hill looked smoother (because he HASNT been on IR for 1.5-2 years and HASNT had 2 shoulder surgeries). Smith struggled early then came on later. Did you seriously expect Smith to come out and play lights out?? LOL anyone who expected Smith to come out and play really well was kidding them selves. He did well enough. Now, both he AND Shaun got their first game jitters out of the way, its time for the competition to heat up. Its time for Smith to take ownership and thats what I'll be looking for. To me, this game was to see where everyone was at.

Shaun: did well, showed he can get it done and has a natural feel for the drive.

Smith: still starts a little slow, then picks it up. Consistency is key. Hill has more consistency. I think it will come for Alex with more reps.


Overall, the offense looked ok. I really wish we saw some deep passes (especially from Smith) and one 2 min type drill. Instead we become conservative. This game had a strange Nolan-like feel to it.

Anyway, VD looks great, WRs look good, and O-line is not great but better than last year or any other year.

All in all....work in progress...just as expected.


"B" for everyone.

Brother....... how does that jock strap taste anyway?

Smith has to really prove it, big time. People forget the only reason he is on the roster is because he was hurt. If not hurt he would have been jettisoned. where is the magic, the PRESENCE, the wins? He is here only because McCloughan's rep is on the line.

What does Smith have to, NOT do, to impress upon you he is marginal at best?
Third preseason game, truth be told. We will all know, at least for the opening of the season.

It is all about the 49er team, not about over paid "nice guy" players who can't cut it and get continuous opportunities solely because of the amount of money invested in them.

Give me a Sheets, Coffee, et all instead of a nice guy who finishes.. last.

If I'm wrong and Smith becomes the new SAVIOR of our Niners then life is good and I'm a dunce, but.. I see a kind of Drunkenmiller somewhere here..

16-17 win, turn out the lights, the parties over.. till next week!

NINERS 2009!!!!!!!!!

Jock strap? Uh no. I think HILL should start. I've maintained that since the end of last season.

Im merely stating the facts: Smith played OKAY. How is that me "jock riding?"

typical zone hyperbole.

Yeah some of these guys post before they think.Some do not understand the idea of let the best man win,so you have to be in one camp or another,you cannot support both of your teams QB's.Hill played decent,but stared down his receivers on almost every play.Smith played decent,did a little better job of going through his reads,but was himself not lighting the world on fire.I was hoping to get to see Hill for a couple of series,maybe next game.Alex does need the snaps though,he has not played real football since game 3 of the 07 season,maybe that is why they gave him so many snaps,trying to shake the rust off.I am pissed about the no two minute thing,you just cannot pass up on an opportunity to practice that against another teams D.Man our rookiee backs looked good,I hope it wasn't all on Denvers D.
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Originally posted by Bali-Niner:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Wow talk about over reaction. I really wonder how some of you function in day to day life. LOL.

Everyone performed as expected. Hill looked smoother (because he HASNT been on IR for 1.5-2 years and HASNT had 2 shoulder surgeries). Smith struggled early then came on later. Did you seriously expect Smith to come out and play lights out?? LOL anyone who expected Smith to come out and play really well was kidding them selves. He did well enough. Now, both he AND Shaun got their first game jitters out of the way, its time for the competition to heat up. Its time for Smith to take ownership and thats what I'll be looking for. To me, this game was to see where everyone was at.

Shaun: did well, showed he can get it done and has a natural feel for the drive.

Smith: still starts a little slow, then picks it up. Consistency is key. Hill has more consistency. I think it will come for Alex with more reps.


Overall, the offense looked ok. I really wish we saw some deep passes (especially from Smith) and one 2 min type drill. Instead we become conservative. This game had a strange Nolan-like feel to it.

Anyway, VD looks great, WRs look good, and O-line is not great but better than last year or any other year.

All in all....work in progress...just as expected.


"B" for everyone.

Brother....... how does that jock strap taste anyway?

Smith has to really prove it, big time. People forget the only reason he is on the roster is because he was hurt. If not hurt he would have been jettisoned. where is the magic, the PRESENCE, the wins? He is here only because McCloughan's rep is on the line.

What does Smith have to, NOT do, to impress upon you he is marginal at best?
Third preseason game, truth be told. We will all know, at least for the opening of the season.

It is all about the 49er team, not about over paid "nice guy" players who can't cut it and get continuous opportunities solely because of the amount of money invested in them.

Give me a Sheets, Coffee, et all instead of a nice guy who finishes.. last.

If I'm wrong and Smith becomes the new SAVIOR of our Niners then life is good and I'm a dunce, but.. I see a kind of Drunkenmiller somewhere here..

16-17 win, turn out the lights, the parties over.. till next week!

NINERS 2009!!!!!!!!!

Jock strap? Uh no. I think HILL should start. I've maintained that since the end of last season.

Im merely stating the facts: Smith played OKAY. How is that me "jock riding?"

typical zone hyperbole.

Ok then; sorry, I didn't mean to offend you!

Hyperbole is good. makes you dizzy..

All about the Niners, nothing else matters. Here anyway.
Originally posted by Method:
Originally posted by MadMartz:
Originally posted by Method:
Overall grade for the offense: F.

Anytime you have a chance to go for a two minute drill before half and you pull a Nolan you should have your blood leeched out of your p***y body.

Its preseason and we were up and shutting them out. I am sure it was more of a move to protect the players than anything. No reason to have Alex force the issue screw up and bruise his ego early. Why force the issue? For what? A preseason game? Save the good stuff for the regular season and dont reveal your hand till you have to.

That doesn't really refute anything I said. Can someone else give me any good reasons that makes justifiable sense? Because this post did none of that.

1) We were shutting them out.
2) Protect the players.
3) Force the issue
3a) Bruise his ego
4) Save the good stuff for the Regular Season

1) Who cares? It's preseason against the Denver Broncos with Kyle Orton making his best JTO impression.
2) These guys are NFL players, they are used to the contact, and one extra drive won't do s**t to them IMO.
3) Forcing the issue is trying to do a Hail Mary three downs straight and then faking a punt on your own 10. What we did was called being Straight up PUS**IES.
3a) I think going through these past couple of years + getting booed in Training Camp has already shown Alex that he can handle people talking s**t about him.
4) Ugh. There's no such thing as enough practice. There's gotta be some second-rate plays we can run with easy routes which we'd never really use to get more practice for our players.

Running the clock out with 1:41 was worthless and was the number 1 reason I totally disliked our performance offensively tonight. If we're going to continue being the team on the field who will never take any chances, then we will be the team to continually lose.

I think you are overreacting here. Again its preseason, it doesnt count. Not only that but we won the game. We also were in scoring position to end the game. I`m sorry but I just dont get your gripe. We had 1:37 and we were on the 11 yard line. What do you expect?