Originally posted by Kolohe:
Can't really blame Martz for their awful record when he was there. When Martz was with the Lions, Kitna had back to back 4,000 yard seasons, with offensive rankings from 19 and 22nd. Ranking 16th in points in 2007, they haven't been that good since 1999, we haven't been half as good since 2003. So I wouldn't say he didn't do a thing over there, check there defense, that could give you some answers to their losses.
Thank you. I've stated these facts 1,000X for all the Martz-haters who say he's nothing without Vermeil. Martz has statistically improved qbs and entire offenses EVERYWHERE he's been (including the niners). I believe he improved the Lions offense from dead last to 19th in the two years he was there and Kitna has publically credited him with his drastic improvement during those 4,000 yd seasons.
AXE quote: What about sacks and turnovers? He didn't do much to improve on those. In fact, quite the opposite. That's where games were lost. Sure, Martz will give you more yardage and make the offense generally more interesting, but when you lead the NFL by a large margin in sacks and turnovers, you can keep that other crap.
You can have all the yardage and big plays you want but if you continually give the ball away and fail to score in the red zone, you're going to lose, and there's no viable counter for that arguement, I'm sorry. That's why he's been fired just about everywhere he's been.
Oh, and one other thing, did Kitna publically credit Martz for getting his head bashed in? Because he should have.
As other fans have eluded to, sacks and turnovers are not and have never been a part of Martz's game plan. As far as Kitna saying one thing or the other, he had the option to praise Martz, bash him (as you think he should've) or say nothing either way but chose to praise him so who are you to say otherwise. You weren't playing in his system, Kitna was.
Isaac Bruce also continues his glowing endorsement of Martz recently calling him the most brilliant offensive mind in the league. Respected SB winning analysts like JJ didn't think he should've been fired -- can all these pros be wrong? Do you expect me to believe that the know-nothing MS and WZ homers know better than these guys? Sorry, common sense tells me no.
How many more offenses and qbs does Martz have to improve and how many more players have to praise him before you even remotely CONSIDER that MS firing him was a mistake?
[ Edited by Sabrason on Jul 24, 2009 at 10:52 PM ]