Originally posted by fan49:Originally posted by TexasNiner:Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Many thanks to Oldman9er for an inclusion of facts, not that many people around here will let them get in the way of a good argument.
Well, like any facts, they can be used on both side. For every player he listed, you can find many, many more, who had bad second year stats and contintue to show that they were not NFL QBs.
The rare exceptions that struggled early and righted the ship, have no more bearing on Alex's ability to do that than the ones who fail have to his ability to fail.
But the bottom line, is that he has been the worst starting QB during his tenure in the NFL. Although we have been far from great, it's hard to say we were the WORST team in the NFL at the time, so QBs in worse situations put up better numbers.
Certainly that could change, but what has happened is what has happened. There are no two ways around it. Whatever reasons, excuses, etc.. there are, we weren't the only team in the NFL to have issues and Alex wasn't the only QB with health or line problems.
Without including or excluding any information for any reason that favors one side or the other, the net result are some pretty damning numbers.
We can only hope he's in the small percentage of QBs who turn it around after that. It certainly isn't the norm.
first of all alex hasn't had a tenure yet. second, link if it's a fact or your just a plain hater!
If you saw the OP, you know that stats. I don't need a link. If you want to verify his QB rating since 2006 for yourself, have fun. Statistically, he has the worst rating of any starter who played in at least 20 games.
And to the person that asked "Why would you count the 07 games?". Because they count. They are real stats in real games. And all the other QBs whose stats you are comparing him against had their own issues. Be they physical, team issues, coaching problems, whatever. No games or stats are thrown out for anyone. If he really couldn't play, then he shouldn't have been on the field. If he wasn't smart enough to not play when he couldn't, that is as bad a mistake as if he misread coverage and threw a pick. One way or another, he played in those games and the stats count.
If you only count the good stats, what good is that? Why don't we just decide who the best QB is by only counting the stats i their 5 best games ever? We'll just say all the others don't count because their teammates let them down, or they were banged up, or whatever.
If you put yourself on the field and take the snaps, you have to be responsible for the results.
Does it mean he can't be better? No. But it does mean that physically, mentally and otherwise, the sum of what he has done so far has been sub par. That is all we have to go on at this point.
Everything else, speculation as to whether he will improve or not or if his best days are behind him is just a guess at this point. The only hard data we have are the games he played in.
