Vernon Davis...

Originally posted by SF69ers:

Originally posted by krizay:

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Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Sims84:

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I loved VD... If we get a real QB. VD could be the next Brent Jones..

VD is better than Brent Jones...

You think so.. Brent Jones did it over the long haul..

Vernon davis in 5 years has 29 TDS Brent Jones in 11 season had 33

Brent Jones didn't have alex smith and shaun hill throwing to him either hahah

or Nolan and Singletary as head coach, or raye as offensive coordinator. I love Brent Jones but Vernon Davis overcame a lot of bad coaching and ownership than Jones did.

Brent Jones made bigger plays in bigger games but if you are talking about talent, Jones doesn't hold a candle to Vernon. He had GREAT QB's throwing to him, Vernon has had below average.

I do think Vernon, these past two seasons, played in a system that he is the main feature though. Jones was never the main guy but still

bingo

also would like to add... I love how "it's not about numbers" went from an excuse to it actually being about numbers.

I love how you said that speed doesn't matter for a tight end.

They were in cover 2 where the seam is ALWAYS open. Dude got turned after being partially blocked. He ran away from them. Like many other TE's can do. Nothing special there.

Can never give credit where credit is due when it comes to Vernon Davis...

I have given him credit when it was due. This isn't one of them cases.

Krizay- I think anytime a TE has a play over 50 yards it's pretty special. Given the fact that Davis had 5 plays over 45 yards and no other TE in the entire NFL had more than 2 is definately special.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by 49ersGiantspride:

Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by fakers23:

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by fakers23:
I loved VD... If we get a real QB. VD could be the next Brent Jones..

VD is better than Brent Jones...

You think so.. Brent Jones did it over the long haul..

Vernon davis in 5 years has 29 TDS Brent Jones in 11 season had 33

Brent Jones didn't have alex smith and shaun hill throwing to him either hahah

or Nolan and Singletary as head coach, or raye as offensive coordinator. I love Brent Jones but Vernon Davis overcame a lot of bad coaching and ownership than Jones did.

Brent Jones made bigger plays in bigger games but if you are talking about talent, Jones doesn't hold a candle to Vernon. He had GREAT QB's throwing to him, Vernon has had below average.

I do think Vernon, these past two seasons, played in a system that he is the main feature though. Jones was never the main guy but still

bingo

also would like to add... I love how "it's not about numbers" went from an excuse to it actually being about numbers.

I love how you said that speed doesn't matter for a tight end.

They were in cover 2 where the seam is ALWAYS open. Dude got turned after being partially blocked. He ran away from them. Like many other TE's can do. Nothing special there.

Heh. You always try to save face. The safety fully recovered his balance and full out sprinted before he gave up.

Your other examples have the tight end either running between fully blocked players or running away from linebackers. That's not speed.

Vernon Davis had more explosive plays than any other tight end in the league. It's because he's fast. He had 16.3 YPC, 16 of 20+, and 5 of 40+, all rank #1 among tight ends.

In case you were wondering, compared to wide receivers with at least 40 receptions those stats in order rank 10th, 12th (tied with Calvin Johnson), and 6th (tied with Andre Johnson among others).

Oh, and he leads all tight ends and wide receivers in yards after the catch.

Speed doesn't matter, though.

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by 49ersGiantspride:

Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by fakers23:

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by fakers23:
I loved VD... If we get a real QB. VD could be the next Brent Jones..

VD is better than Brent Jones...

You think so.. Brent Jones did it over the long haul..

Vernon davis in 5 years has 29 TDS Brent Jones in 11 season had 33

Brent Jones didn't have alex smith and shaun hill throwing to him either hahah

or Nolan and Singletary as head coach, or raye as offensive coordinator. I love Brent Jones but Vernon Davis overcame a lot of bad coaching and ownership than Jones did.

Brent Jones made bigger plays in bigger games but if you are talking about talent, Jones doesn't hold a candle to Vernon. He had GREAT QB's throwing to him, Vernon has had below average.

I do think Vernon, these past two seasons, played in a system that he is the main feature though. Jones was never the main guy but still

bingo

also would like to add... I love how "it's not about numbers" went from an excuse to it actually being about numbers.

I love how you said that speed doesn't matter for a tight end.

They were in cover 2 where the seam is ALWAYS open. Dude got turned after being partially blocked. He ran away from them. Like many other TE's can do. Nothing special there.

Heh. You always try to save face. The safety fully recovered his balance and full out sprinted before he gave up.

Your other examples have the tight end either running between fully blocked players or running away from linebackers. That's not speed.

Vernon Davis had more explosive plays than any other tight end in the league. It's because he's fast. He had 16.3 YPC, 16 of 20+, and 5 of 40+, all rank #1 among tight ends.

In case you were wondering, compared to wide receivers with at least 40 receptions those stats in order rank 10th, 12th (tied with Calvin Johnson), and 6th (tied with Andre Johnson among others).

Oh, and he leads all tight ends and wide receivers in yards after the catch.

Speed doesn't matter, though.

2006-2 tied for lead with Cooley, Crumpler, Matt Schobel, L.J. Smith and Ben Watson
2007- 0
2008-2 13 other guys at 1
2009- 3 tied for lead with Brent Celek and Dallas Clark

They all fast too? Or was vernon just faster this season?


His career YAC average is 5.5. So was he only fast in 2010 and 2008? Delanie Walker's career YAC is 7.2. Is he fast too?

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by 49ersGiantspride:

Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by fakers23:

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by fakers23:
I loved VD... If we get a real QB. VD could be the next Brent Jones..

VD is better than Brent Jones...

You think so.. Brent Jones did it over the long haul..

Vernon davis in 5 years has 29 TDS Brent Jones in 11 season had 33

Brent Jones didn't have alex smith and shaun hill throwing to him either hahah

or Nolan and Singletary as head coach, or raye as offensive coordinator. I love Brent Jones but Vernon Davis overcame a lot of bad coaching and ownership than Jones did.

Brent Jones made bigger plays in bigger games but if you are talking about talent, Jones doesn't hold a candle to Vernon. He had GREAT QB's throwing to him, Vernon has had below average.

I do think Vernon, these past two seasons, played in a system that he is the main feature though. Jones was never the main guy but still

bingo

also would like to add... I love how "it's not about numbers" went from an excuse to it actually being about numbers.

I love how you said that speed doesn't matter for a tight end.

They were in cover 2 where the seam is ALWAYS open. Dude got turned after being partially blocked. He ran away from them. Like many other TE's can do. Nothing special there.

Heh. You always try to save face. The safety fully recovered his balance and full out sprinted before he gave up.

Your other examples have the tight end either running between fully blocked players or running away from linebackers. That's not speed.

Vernon Davis had more explosive plays than any other tight end in the league. It's because he's fast. He had 16.3 YPC, 16 of 20+, and 5 of 40+, all rank #1 among tight ends.

In case you were wondering, compared to wide receivers with at least 40 receptions those stats in order rank 10th, 12th (tied with Calvin Johnson), and 6th (tied with Andre Johnson among others).

Oh, and he leads all tight ends and wide receivers in yards after the catch.

Speed doesn't matter, though.

2006-2 tied for lead with Cooley, Crumpler, Matt Schobel, L.J. Smith and Ben Watson
2007- 0
2008-2 13 other guys at 1
2009- 3 tied for lead with Brent Celek and Dallas Clark

They all fast too? Or was vernon just faster this season?


His career YAC average is 5.5. So was he only fast in 2010 and 2008? Delanie Walker's career YAC is 7.2. Is he fast too?

BTW his breakout 2009 season. he averaged 3.7 YAC.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by 49ersGiantspride:

Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by fakers23:

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by fakers23:
I loved VD... If we get a real QB. VD could be the next Brent Jones..

VD is better than Brent Jones...

You think so.. Brent Jones did it over the long haul..

Vernon davis in 5 years has 29 TDS Brent Jones in 11 season had 33

Brent Jones didn't have alex smith and shaun hill throwing to him either hahah

or Nolan and Singletary as head coach, or raye as offensive coordinator. I love Brent Jones but Vernon Davis overcame a lot of bad coaching and ownership than Jones did.

Brent Jones made bigger plays in bigger games but if you are talking about talent, Jones doesn't hold a candle to Vernon. He had GREAT QB's throwing to him, Vernon has had below average.

I do think Vernon, these past two seasons, played in a system that he is the main feature though. Jones was never the main guy but still

bingo

also would like to add... I love how "it's not about numbers" went from an excuse to it actually being about numbers.

I love how you said that speed doesn't matter for a tight end.

They were in cover 2 where the seam is ALWAYS open. Dude got turned after being partially blocked. He ran away from them. Like many other TE's can do. Nothing special there.

Heh. You always try to save face. The safety fully recovered his balance and full out sprinted before he gave up.

Your other examples have the tight end either running between fully blocked players or running away from linebackers. That's not speed.

Vernon Davis had more explosive plays than any other tight end in the league. It's because he's fast. He had 16.3 YPC, 16 of 20+, and 5 of 40+, all rank #1 among tight ends.

In case you were wondering, compared to wide receivers with at least 40 receptions those stats in order rank 10th, 12th (tied with Calvin Johnson), and 6th (tied with Andre Johnson among others).

Oh, and he leads all tight ends and wide receivers in yards after the catch.

Speed doesn't matter, though.

2006-2 tied for lead with Cooley, Crumpler, Matt Schobel, L.J. Smith and Ben Watson
2007- 0
2008-2 13 other guys at 1
2009- 3 tied for lead with Brent Celek and Dallas Clark

They all fast too? Or was vernon just faster this season?


His career YAC average is 5.5. So was he only fast in 2010 and 2008? Delanie Walker's career YAC is 7.2. Is he fast too?

I don't think you are ever going to convince anyone that VD's speed is ineffective or not a factor.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

I don't think you are ever going to convince anyone that VD's speed is ineffective or not a factor.

Don't get me wrong, not saying it isn't a factor. (2-3 times on the year) not as big as factor as some think it is.

Also not saying he's a bad player.

Vernon's speed has been a non factor because primarily the play calling hasn't utilized it properly. The year he tied the record for TD's for a TE it was. Send Vernon on a go route and throw it to him when he runs past everybody. It was effective because of his speed.



To think otherwise.............................................

I can't believe Vernon's speed and how it is "game changing" is even an argument

There isn't one linebacker that can keep up with Vernon once he makes his initial break (meaning, the offensive player always knows what he is going to be doing before the defensive player, so once he makes his break, NOW the defensive player has to rely on technique and agility to counter that and then pick up speed to catch up....no chance). With that said, there aren't many safety's that can match Vernons speed OR strength so to counter this, they rely on keeping a safety up top as well as a linebacker underneath.

If that is not showing how the league respects Vernon's speed, I don't know what is. The man had basically ONE route and tied the NFL Record for TE's by just using his pure speed to get behind a defense. If they are in cover 2, he hits the seam, if they have man to man with a safety, he abusing them like he did vs the Saints in week 2. We just have to be more creative with him and get him involved more than what he already is

[ Edited by Sims84 on Feb 2, 2011 at 22:43:38 ]

Originally posted by Sims84:
I can't believe Vernon's speed and how it is "game changing" is even an argument

Oh... it's just krizay.

Is an Alexsexual...

Quote:
"I'm sure they (the coaches) strongly believe in Alex, along with the rest of my teammates and myself," Davis said. "We expect Alex to be the starter."

Davis said he likes Kaepernick, the second-round draft pick from Nevada. But it's clear whom he prefers to break camp as the starting quarterback.

"He's a good player," Davis said. "He has a lot of potential. And he's got a bright future, but the odds are set on Alex at the moment. I don't think there's really too much competition at the moment."

Read more: Maiocco: Competition at 49ers' camp to begin
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Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Vernon's speed has been a non factor because primarily the play calling hasn't utilized it properly. The year he tied the record for TD's for a TE it was. Send Vernon on a go route and throw it to him when he runs past everybody. It was effective because of his speed.



To think otherwise.............................................

Word. Vernon is fast as f**k wtf is so hard to understand? He's bad ass. There don't need to be any damn arguments.

Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Is an Alexsexual...

Quote:
"I'm sure they (the coaches) strongly believe in Alex, along with the rest of my teammates and myself," Davis said. "We expect Alex to be the starter."

Davis said he likes Kaepernick, the second-round draft pick from Nevada. But it's clear whom he prefers to break camp as the starting quarterback.

"He's a good player," Davis said. "He has a lot of potential. And he's got a bright future, but the odds are set on Alex at the moment. I don't think there's really too much competition at the moment."

Read more: Maiocco: Competition at 49ers' camp to begin
Tune to SportsNet Central at 6, 10:30 and midnight on Comcast SportsNet Bay Area for more on this story

It's not like Alex and VD don't have chemistry. I just wish crabby had as good a work ethic as davis. I'm still behind Alex as the starter this season. Even if only for the fact that starting Rookies is Never a good idea unless your name is Payton Manning or Dan Marino and you are on some strong medicine if you think Kaeperinick is in their league right now.

I think it's safe to say he broke through this year. Man, he was being bracketed and was still too fast to be covered.

Do we have our own version of Calvin Johnson now?

After his first few years, I never thought I would say this but VD may be one of my top 10 favorite Niners of all time. I loved how he rushed in when Crabs and Davis were fighting with a group of packers, The guys is a beast!