*Projected* Niners Depth Chart (Updated 9/5/09)

No way Fat Frankin beats out Soap.

Originally posted by ezrider:
No way Fat Frankin beats out Soap.

Actually Franklin will beat Soap out because there's only one NT that's worse than Franklin on the team - a converted DE playing NT.

Originally posted by Mex49:
I hate to say it, but i see 8-8 at best for that group. f**k I hope I am wrong.

don't worry you are!

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by ezrider:
No way Fat Frankin beats out Soap.

Actually Franklin will beat Soap out because there's only one NT that's worse than Franklin on the team - a converted DE playing NT.

Actually Soap was a NT that was converted to DE and now back to NT.

Soap is faster than Franklin, stronger than Franklin, and doesn't have 50 lbs. hanging over his belt. There's a reason that Jeff Fisher is interested in Sopoaga. It's because he's still a kid and at 27, defensive tackles are just beginning to learn the position. Soap's desire and work ethic will leave Franklin in the dust.

Originally posted by ezrider:
Soap is faster than Franklin, stronger than Franklin, and doesn't have 50 lbs. hanging over his belt. There's a reason that Jeff Fisher is interested in Sopoaga. It's because he's still a kid and at 27, defensive tackles are just beginning to learn the position. Soap's desire and work ethic will leave Franklin in the dust.

Fisher is interested in Soap? Link please??

Originally posted by Smith2Davis:

Originally posted by ezrider:
Soap is faster than Franklin, stronger than Franklin, and doesn't have 50 lbs. hanging over his belt. There's a reason that Jeff Fisher is interested in Sopoaga. It's because he's still a kid and at 27, defensive tackles are just beginning to learn the position. Soap's desire and work ethic will leave Franklin in the dust.

Fisher is interested in Soap? Link please??

Don't question him he has ESP. On that note its a crap shoot, there both CRAP so SHOOT I don't care who wins.

You think the niners won't keep Zigler?

I really wonder about M.Rob. He seems overpaid and under whats the word....good. He needs a position change to save him IMO. Unless sing is so desperate for special teamers He is a waste of a player and definately is not a RB. I'd rather he competes for 3rd string QB, second string FB, or even try his hand at receiver. A real running back could be just as big an asset on special teams. On that note Clayton will at least compete for that spot, and who knows it's possible.

[ Edited by Need4Speed on Mar 10, 2009 at 09:36:55 ]

On defense...

No matter who wins the starting NT position in TC, both Sopo and Franklin will get plenty of action, One of the keys to a good DL is having good depth and rotating in fresh legs, Playing 1 gap style should benefit both of these guys

As far as McDonald goes (and ive been a fan of his) but he played poorly in '08.
He gets pushed out of the play by one OL or a TE all the time. I hope he steps up this year, I think we see him as a backup to Smith. and a Nickle DL

LDE- Evans, Balmer
NT- Franklin, Sopo, Rookie
RDE- Smitty, McDonald

At LB, we are fine in the middle with Spikes and Willis, and Ulbrich as a backup.
Im curious to see if Brooks is in the plans as a backup ILB, if not, we may draft an ILB for depth (too bad we lost Grant)

OLB, Manny at Sam, Haralson at Will, Im pretty sure we draft a day one OLB
who will eventually start at Will, and Haralson gets plenty of PT backing up both OLB spots.
J.Moore and/or Brooks as the #4

Sam- Manny, Moore
Ted- Spikes, Brooks
Mike- Willis, Ulbrich
Will- Haralson, Rookie (Orakpo, Brown, Sintim, Maybin, English, Mathews. Barwin)

DB's- Nate at LCB, Walt at RCB, with Brown first off the bench.
I like Spencer, but with that huge contract, he may be gone
thats why i think were looking at CB's in FA, It could also mean that R.Smith gets moved to compete with Goldson at FS (most scouts had R.Smith as an NFL FS)

M.Lewis is solid at SS,
Goldson and Smith could be a good camp competition for FS
with Williams making the team as the 4th, backing up M.Lewis.
Roman with his very low contract could also be kept around for depth/insurance
but i think he's gone, and maybe we bring back Strick who can play FS or CB.
If we do bring Strick back, I think Hudson is also gone

CB- Nate, Walt, Brown, Free agent, Hudson or (Strickland I hope)
S- Lewis, Goldson, Smith, Williams

[ Edited by cools on Mar 10, 2009 at 09:39:19 ]

Snyder won't be the starting RT. Getting Andre Smith will greatly improve the offense--and defense, since it won't have to be on the field so long. The team will also improve, IMO, with
1. Goldson over Roman at FS.
2. Platoon NTs of Franklin, Soap and/or rookie (Sammie Lee Hill, etc.)
3. Sintim/Johnson/Ayers, etc. at OLB for Green/TBC
4. Moran Norris at blocking FB
5. A rookie FB that can block, run, catch (e.g. Fiammetta) and/or a RB like R. Jennnings to be on the field at the same time as Gore and/or a change of pace runner like Javon Ringer that can be a breakaway threat.
6. A rookie speed receiver.
7. Lawson, another year from his injury
8. The Singletary factor plus no Nolan

Good posts, guys....

Lots of good comments amongst the occasional sarcasm... Would like to see a bit more respect for all opinions but I digress...

Personally, I think the Niners ARE in rebuilding mode and that this year is largely going to be an evaluative year to see what players are really going to be part of the future....or not. Guys like M Rob, McDonald, Soap, V Davis, M Lawson, D Baas, and D Goldson are going to really have to step up their games or find themselves out of a job....seriously. I think you may see some very surprising cuts at the end of TC.

My biggest criticism of Scotty is that I think he is overrating the current talent on this team....especially on the OL, DL. and at QB....the most important positions.

Originally posted by TOP_CAT:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by ezrider:
No way Fat Frankin beats out Soap.

Actually Franklin will beat Soap out because there's only one NT that's worse than Franklin on the team - a converted DE playing NT.

Actually Soap was a NT that was converted to DE and now back to NT.

Actually we wanted Soap to BE a NT in a 3-4 and he didn't like it so we said play DE and now we're "asking" him to move inside again.

NINERS 53 players

Offense: 27 players

QB: Alex Smith, Shaun Hill, Damon Huard

RB: Frank Gore, Glen Coffee, Thomas Clayton

FB: Morran Norris,

WR: Michael Crabtree, Josh Morgan, Dominque Ziegler

WR: Isaac Bruce, Brandon Jones, Jason Hill

TE: Vernon Davis, Delaine Walker, Bear Pasco

LT: Joe Staley, Alex Boone

LG: David Baas, Adam Snyder

C: Erick Heitman, Cody Wallace

RG: Chilo Rachel, Tonny Wragge

RT: Marvel Smith, Barry Sims

Defense: 24 players
3-4 Rotational

RE: Justin Smith, Demetric Evans

NT: Aubrayo Frankiln, Issac Soapaga

LE: Ray Mcdonald, Kentwan Balmer

LOLB: Manny Lawson, Paul Egbuh

MLB: Takeo Spikes, Scott Mckillup

MLB: Patrick Willis, Ahmad Brooks

ROLB: Parrys Haralson, Brandon Long (NEED UPGRADE, Maybe Taylor)

CB: Walt Harris, Shawntae Spencer?, Reggie Smith

FS: Dashon Goldson, Marcus Hudson

SS: Michael Lewis, Jimmy Williams

CB: Nate Clemetns, Tarrel Brown, Jahi Word-Daniels

Special Teams: 3 players

K: Joe Nedney

P: Andy Lee

KR: Allen Rossum

LS: Bear Pascoe (saves roster spot)

Sorry Brian Jennings good luck

Practice Squad: 8 players

QB Nate Davis
RB Kory Sheets
FB Zack Keasey
WR Mark Bradford
LB Mark Washington
OT Jackob Bender
DT Rick Jean-Francois
S Curtis Taylor

kind of sad we did not upgrade CB and DE/OLB

Originally posted by 49erman5692:
kind of sad we did not upgrade CB and DE/OLB

Who says there were any upgrades in the draft?

why didnt we take a T...