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What we learned from the 2013 Draft

One key thing we forget is that the niners have one of the best trainers and medical consultants in the nation. So they can take a lot of these players with potential for growth or talent with injuries and make them better, but it starts with attitude of the player wanting to be better. Plus guys like Justin Smith, P Willis and even Kaep and now Boldin, just shows new players (vets and rooks) that you better bring your a game, you win you happy, you lose not so much and they don't like losing. Been doing for too long before JH and Co. They are thinking about the future. As one said sometimes when you draft at the end you have to be creative in getting and keeping the talent level high. The niners got talented players that some had suspect because of injuries but could bring them along slowly cause they are deep, they don't have to rush (like Aldon and Kaep), but will put them in if they make the jump in year 2.

Even a guy like Okoye shows the niners thinking outside the box. The guy needs teaching, but the measurables are there, he ran as fast as Tank but is 30 lbs heavier! has 35" vertical 34.5 inch arm lengths, and strong. Don't know if he will make the practice squad, but sometimes you got to go outside the box and take a chance. A lot of course depends on injuries. Still, hope the guy has quick and violent hands, as a discuss thrower I have no doubt he would have been good if head slaps were still legal ala Deacon Jones.
[ Edited by WildBill on May 2, 2013 at 3:29 AM ]
Good post Wild Bill! I also think many ignore our coaching staff and believe these guys need to come in as polished players. Watching the way this team installed the offense--slowly, piece by piece, tells you have exacting they are preparing players to be in positions where they can succeed.

The coaches also get rid of problems quickly and bench players who are not team guys. Brandon Jacobs worked his way off the team...took him most of the season but they slowly tried to turn him around and then--boom! Gone! Sadly, Jacobs could have really helped the niners in the super bowl, but he would have needed to be patient and wait his turn...he's not bright enough for that.

The 9ers picking up Asomugha is the opposite of what Philly did (sign star players and tell them to win games)...the niners have the coaching to put him in a positive role and let him know he is a piece of the puzzle, doesn't have to make a play every down. The 9er coaches also know how he plays and will be able to morph the D toward his skills.

I would expect him to have a really good year and for Rogers to bring up his game as well. Of course, much of this is predicated on the front seven being able to bring more pressure.

This is what I learned from the draft--the 9ers have faith in their CBs and offense, knew they just needed more depth at DLine and OLB on defense and more depth at WR and TE.

If they are wrong about the CBs it will be a very bad year, but it is unlikely they have erred so grievously!
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I think the 49ers would have taken Amerson if Tank was not available at 40. But I agree that the pass rush was lacking with injuries to Smith brothers. When 49ers were winning super bowls they rotated pass rushers and always drafted DL early in the draft.

As far as NT I think Ian Williams is this year Alex Boone were the coaching staff will give him every chance to win the job.
Originally posted by GORO:
I think the 49ers would have taken Amerson if Tank was not available at 40. But I agree that the pass rush was lacking with injuries to Smith brothers. When 49ers were winning super bowls they rotated pass rushers and always drafted DL early in the draft.

As far as NT I think Ian Williams is this year Alex Boone were the coaching staff will give him every chance to win the job.

I agree. When Ian came out he was known as a run stuffer. =

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Overview Williams is recovering from a torn MCL suffered during his senior season, but he is a quality run stopper that could be an effective two-down specialist. He is near impossible to move when he gets in good position, as he is very strong and has a thick compact body. He is also a hard worker that never gives up on the play. He can be a very stout run stopper, but he is not athletic or technically refined enough to contribute in the pass rush. Williams is a one dimensional player, but he is human hole plugger and should get picked late.

Analysis Strengths Williams has a low center of gravity and possesses a quick first step. Strong run plugger that can anchor against double teams and flashes a powerful bull rush. High effort kid that relentlessly pursues the ball carrier and is a sound tackler. Has a good attitude and is very coachable.

Weaknesses Does not have the burst to get after the quarterback or make tackles in the backfield. Lacks the hand technique to consistently shed blocks and does not show effective pass rushing counter moves. Not fluid enough to make plays in space. Has a soft body and a limited frame. Trying to return from a torn MCL in November 2010.

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I also read this from Scout's Inc at the Senior Bowl in 2010=




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Notre Dame DT Ian Williams is having a good day. He's showing good first-step quickness, leverage and power.

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Irish spring We were surprised how well Notre Dame DT Ian Williams played today. He's not a great athlete but had a quick first step, used good leverage, showed good initial power and the ability to hold his position against the run. One of the most effective linemen during the 2-on-1 (two offensive linemen) drills.
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The fact that we kept him around on the 53, even though he wasn't making it into games, say a lot about what the staff thinks. They reconfirmed that belief by signing him to a 2 year extension and not drafting a pure NT high in the draft. He did 31 reps at the combine, more than John Jenkins and Jessie Williams did this year. Even though the "bench" is not a perfect indicator of football strength, its something to compare the apples with. Plus you know he's gotten even stronger working out for 2 years with team. Like you, I think Ian can make a Boone like jump into prominence this year.
[ Edited by DRUSTOPO on May 2, 2013 at 11:53 AM ]
Originally posted by nw9erfan:
First of all, I believe that this might be the most intelligent thread (top to bottom) that I've read in the Zone in the past year. Great posts by many of you!

Here is what I think we learned from this draft....more specifically, what qualities the Niners covet in the players they bring in.

1) Long arms (duh!) A pretty obvious point to begin.
2) Size
3) Speed
4) Athleticism
5) Intelligence
6) Versatility
7) Toughness
8) Hard-working / good character / good motor
9) Loves the game of football
If you look at all the guys the Baalke / Harbaugh pairing have brought in since they have been together, virtually all of them have at least 5 or 6 of the above qualities and many of them have them all. Clearly, they have a blueprint for what they believe will result in a successful player in the NFL. Most draft "experts" only take a few criteria into account when they evaluate players. However, most NFL teams, certainly the successful ones, have a longer list and that is why we see "surprises" on draft day.

Eric Reid, for example, was considered an early second round pick by most draftniks but it became clear on draft day that he was coveted by several teams and if the Niners were to get him, they would have to trade up into the middle of the first round, which of course, they did. The point is that Reid, despite his current flaws, was felt to be a first round talent not only because of his physical measurables, but his "intangibles". In addition to being very fast for his size and able to jump through the roof, he is very bright, hard-working, tough, has great character, loves the game, wants to be great, and perhaps most of all, wants to win. I believe it was these "intangibles" that made him a very attractive player.

Cheers!.....and congrats on the terrific thread guys....


Originally posted by DRUSTOPO:
Couldn't agree more. Many of the Zoner's wanted two guys who didn't fit that mold...Da'Rick Rogers and Tyrann Mathieu. Both did not seem to match the criteria for

8) Hard-working / good character / good motor
9) Loves the game of football

That was the thing that drew me to Reid. He was the leader of that Defense, named permanent team captain in vote of teammates, and a very intelligent young man. Some coaches like Fisher always take the best talent available and figure that they can mold "problem childs" ( Pac Man - Janoris Jenkins ). Sometimes it works and sometimes it backfires. It can go the other way too with ignoring "problem childs" like Harbs not drafting Richard Sherman because of character concerns. BUT I think this FO truly understands that chemistry is very tangible. We seem to have many leaders on this team who hold themselves accountable.

Now with

Reid = LSU team captain
Lemonier = Auburn team captain
Patton = LA Tech team captain
Lattimore = SC team captain
Moody = FSU team captain

Added in the mix, that long line of high character players will continue!

GO 9ERS!!!!

Excellent research on the team captain / leadership aspect of the Niners choices......and again, terrific thread gentlemen.

Cheers!
[ Edited by nw9erfan on May 6, 2013 at 7:35 PM ]
In addition to all the great points made here, another take away is:

This will be one hell of a competitive Training Camp!
11. Not one player selected from the Stanford the last three drafts.

Who would've predicted that.
^^ Yeah, that was definitely a surprise.

FWIW Carrol has mostly avoided drafting USC players too, though (IIRC he's taken a few very late, but mostly let them pass)
Originally posted by SFrush:
11. Not one player selected from the Stanford the last three drafts.

Who would've predicted that.

Just the guys who were too good for Stanford and settled on LSU, etc.
It doesn't really surprise me we've been avoiding Stanford guys in the draft. No academic requirements in the NFL.
Originally posted by Engleburger:
It doesn't really surprise me we've been avoiding Stanford guys in the draft. No academic requirements in the NFL.

And when drafted, they can't say no! Unless they are John Elway.
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
In addition to all the great points made here, another take away is:

This will be one hell of a competitive Training Camp!

So ready for training camp or mini-camp or anything to start!
Ok Zone, I need help. Something is still bothering me from the draft. Why did we select Dial over Jessie Williams? They are both run stuffing 5 technique players that have experience across 3 man fronts. Jessie was being projected as a 2nd round talent, but fell to the 5th, 20 picks before we selected Dial. We obviously wanted a 5 tech D lineman, and one would think that there were opportunities to trade up to the top of the 5th to select Jessie, but we didn't. Why do you think we, along with the rest of the teams, passed on Jessie? I cant find anything that says he's a bad seed, or lazy or not a team player. I think that's the only thing that baffles me weeks after the draft. Any ideas???

( BTW- this wouldnt bother me so much if he didn't go to the effin Seahawks! )
Originally posted by DRUSTOPO:
Ok Zone, I need help. Something is still bothering me from the draft. Why did we select Dial over Jessie Williams? They are both run stuffing 5 technique players that have experience across 3 man fronts. Jessie was being projected as a 2nd round talent, but fell to the 5th, 20 picks before we selected Dial. We obviously wanted a 5 tech D lineman, and one would think that there were opportunities to trade up to the top of the 5th to select Jessie, but we didn't. Why do you think we, along with the rest of the teams, passed on Jessie? I cant find anything that says he's a bad seed, or lazy or not a team player. I think that's the only thing that baffles me weeks after the draft. Any ideas???

( BTW- this wouldnt bother me so much if he didn't go to the effin Seahawks! )

Williams has a degenerative knee condition
Originally posted by shaneblonien:
Originally posted by DRUSTOPO:
Ok Zone, I need help. Something is still bothering me from the draft. Why did we select Dial over Jessie Williams? They are both run stuffing 5 technique players that have experience across 3 man fronts. Jessie was being projected as a 2nd round talent, but fell to the 5th, 20 picks before we selected Dial. We obviously wanted a 5 tech D lineman, and one would think that there were opportunities to trade up to the top of the 5th to select Jessie, but we didn't. Why do you think we, along with the rest of the teams, passed on Jessie? I cant find anything that says he's a bad seed, or lazy or not a team player. I think that's the only thing that baffles me weeks after the draft. Any ideas???

( BTW- this wouldnt bother me so much if he didn't go to the effin Seahawks! )

Williams has a degenerative knee condition

Its degenerative? I thought it was just a minor procedure he had done. If it is a long term injury, that would explain so many teams passing on him. Thanks Shane